Guardians of the Galaxy Mission Breakout announced for Disney California Adventure

[Cesar R M]

The Collector as he appears in the comics along with the other Elders of the Universe has never stood up to logical sense

And it gets worse when you get to the abstracts. But the more powerful and bigger the character is, the more defined in function and static plotwise it gets.
No different from the Gods of many pantheons.

It seems the Elders are pretty much stuck with a very specific function. The collector just... collects ALL.
An obsession, a deeply defined function.
EGO is also a fine example of them. (theres also order and chaos)

 

[Cesar R M]

What?? Are you trolling or just not good at looking at context? The cheap robot comment was about Harold being in the queue as a robot. The Collector is collecting living things, that's what makes him creepy. Collecting a theme park animatronic from Disneyland works against that. THAT was the argument, not about Rocket.

We're there to see real characters, not images of them. These characters need to be treated as real living things and not just things from a movie.

He collected Ultrom remains, so I dont think its explicitly only "living" things. or Perhaps not in the "living" argument as in natural life (aka silicon life or AI's count as living too)

After all, theres a lot of things that arent even alive and are in his collection. (in the comics too)

The side with the exit door.

I'm in the side with the popcorn bag.

But why do we have access to the security room? If his staff is on our side and helping us, I'm sure they'd have broader clearance than guests. Why didn't Rocket use them to help? And the room opens almost immediately, not even giving time to scan for security clearance. The only time they take time to scan is the brief second as we move into the drop shaft. After that, they kind of stop with that story thread.

Because Tivan would have killed them or freeze them in the box? I bet they are also part of the "collection". Like the helpers of Tivan in the movie.

Besides..The over analyzing is getting ridiculous.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Methinks you did not read the whole post...

Start from "The real reason I don't like..."

If you want my full thoughts on the MTPU:
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/...heme-park-universe.927552/page-3#post-7734677

It's IP at its best!

K, to be honest, I don't know what side you're on now.

But there are other examples of self-referentialisms. There's a famous YouTube video of Snow White and Grimhilde meeting in Epcot and Gimhilde makes reference to the rat that runs the place (i.e, Mickey Mouse). Then there are examples from stage shows of the characters referencing being invited to the Magic Kingdom or "Hollywoodland".

I'll grant it is inconsistent. If you visit Anna and Else at their Sommerhus... they are in their Summer House, not Epcot. If you ask what brings them to Epcot they'll look at you like you're crazy and talk about their summer retreat.

 

[flynnibus]

When did a set of Characters and stories start being set at a theme park?

When did people start thinking a theme park had to be an ongoing continuity???

ZOMG did you see those m&g characters who were actually dead?? Who decided this atrocity could stand...

Those characters don't reference Disneyland, because they don't know that Disneyland exists. If you showed anyone of them Disneyland, they'd be downright confused.

Except those pesky face characters... you know those who have the most personal and direct interactions with guests...

Imagine if theme parks were designed so they call themselves out as fake. Wouldn't it be weird if Indiana Jones started talking about how fake the whole adventure was? What if he pointed out how ridiculous the ride was because it's just a ride, and not actually a jungle? That would be insane.

I guess the genie in Aladdin has been ruining Disney for some time now...

 

[sedati]

@Professortango1 The advantage of attractions like Indiana Jones or Splash Mountain is that they rely on cultural knowledge and preconceptions.

Like breaking out of prison? Was the plot of "Toy Story 3" too convoluted for children to understand? Hogan's Heroes too much of a head-scratcher? Escape stories have probably existed in every culture and every generation since storytelling began.

 

[October82]

Like breaking out of prison? Was the plot of "Toy Story 3" too convoluted for children to understand? Hogan's Heroes too much of a head-scratcher? Escape stories have probably existed in every culture and every generation since storytelling began.

Someone else responded similarly earlier in this thread. The reason that this doesn't really work is that Guardians isn't a simple or straightforward "escape story", it is an escape story about a cast of characters (settings, themes), and its one that relies on the knowledge of those characters (settings, themes). It's easier to tell those kinds of stories in film or television, but these kinds of stories aren't always told well in theme park attractions.

It's difficult to convey the specifics of franchises by appealing to tones and objects. Attractions of GotG's type tend to state their stories explicitly, rather than introducing stories gradually and through multiple mediums. People, especially in the last few pages of this thread, have tended to treat things in extremes. It's likely that some aspects of Guardians are told well, the simpler aspects of the "escape" narrative, for instance, while other aspects aren't.

 

[Professortango1]

Like breaking out of prison? Was the plot of "Toy Story 3" too convoluted for children to understand? Hogan's Heroes too much of a head-scratcher? Escape stories have probably existed in every culture and every generation since storytelling began.

Prison break stories are easy to understand, however this ride isn't really a prison break story. One exists in the story, but the story isn't a prison break plot.

Prison break plots often have many smaller tasks to culminate in an eventual escape. This has 1 step - sneak me into the control room so I can blast the generator. After that, the plan is done and the characters just react to chaos until the ride time is exhausted and it abruptly ends.

 

[Professortango1]

Actually, they didn't do a projection scene because the state of California wouldn't allow a new piece of construction jutting out of the Tower, which would be where the scene took place.

So they had to come up with something else.

No, it just would have been subject to building codes and required new infrastructure. Rather than commit and have the ride open a few months later, they cut it and said they'd figure a way around the problem later.

 

[Ismael Flores]

Isn't the name of the ride enough to explain what the whole point of the ride is?

Guardians of the galaxy mission BREAKOUT

How much more explaining does anyone need. And it's not like most people waiting in line don't know who the characters are. There has been two movies both of which are hugely successful.

 

[Professortango1]

So if the building shows the destroyed elevator shaft why is it we get on an elevator that doesn't exist.

Also you just proved my point because in tower of terror without the video and also words of the commentator guests wouldn't know the back story of the ghost and what happened to the elevator.
In your words "of course the video is necessary to the attraction"

And even the video used now does explain what's going on, it perfectly continues the imagery of the first queue video. Guardians in a cage first video, second video diagram showing stick racoon and cage. How difficult is it to understand that he is planning an escape. Third act on ride, cages broken and Guardians loose and being attacked.

That arguement about visual and dialogue could then be said about other attractions. Why is there a jeep Inside a temple ruin? All we see in the queue for a while is markings of some unknown language. The film in the queue has lots of talking and missed by many and then somehow we are in a keep running away from rats and snakes and who is that crazy God with the glowing eyes. Do you actually think guests know the whole story?

How about splash mountain? What's up with that we get on a log and see animals singing. How many know or need to know every detail of the story to enjoy it?

As for the language barrier that never has been an issue in tokyo tower. Till now friends that are not Disney fanatics have asked the tower in Tokyo was cool even though we had no idea what it was all about.

The elevator does exist. The video shows us the guest elevator is struck and we will be boarding the service elevator. Pretty straight forward.

Why are jeeps in IJA? Well, the real answer is they were left over from the original idea where we started in the jungle and drove into the temple. The story reason is the brought in transports to serve the expedition.

The story elements in IJA are told in murals, visuals and audio via newsreels, and audio/visuals again on the attraction. "You looked into my eyes, now your destiny lies beyond the gates of doom!" Its a pretty clear moment if you somehow made it through the projector room without seeing the media.

Splash is sloppy storytelling. Its a journey through emotions and tones rather than a well crafted narrative.

With Guardians, they are missing moments. Can we experience Rocket blasting the generator? Wouldn't it make more sense if tge guards weren't in on it, and we're the only hope? How did the Guardians not plunge into the abyss? How did they supress the various monsters? These are problems they went out of their way to address and yet skipped showing us the solutions. Fun ride, but sloppy storytelling. Like Splash without the granduer and spectacle.

 

[Professortango1]

Isn't the name of the ride enough to explain what the whole point of the ride is?

Guardians of the galaxy mission BREAKOUT

How much more explaining does anyone need. And it's not like most people waiting in line don't know who the characters are. There has been two movies both of which are hugely successful.

About half the folks I go to Disneyland with don't know Guardians and have never seen the films. Attractions should be able to stand on their own. This one does for the most part, but friends still had a ton of questions. Others don't want to ride because they don't know the franchise and think it looks juvenile. This layover has a more limited demographic due to the reliance on the IP.

 

[lazyboy97o]

If Imagineering has begun mocking people that want thematically consistent experiences, that is problematic. WDI's purpose is to create themed environments. It would be like a carpenter mocking someone that admires quality carpentry.

It makes sense as someone trying to capture Rocket's sense of humor (but missing that Rocket is irreverent towards his situation and not the films). What is more worrying is that it suggests a lack of common understanding among the design team as someone had written a whole backstory explaining why Disneyland is visible. And not just a backstory for this one attraction, but one that is to underpin all of the Marvel attractions, so it seems somewhat important.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Except those pesky face characters... you know those who have the most personal and direct interactions with guests...

Face characters who act as though they are only in their world are described as staying "in character." The break is acknowledged.

 

[Mawg]

heading to Southern CA in a week. Plan to be a DL June 9th and 11th and I have a few questions for anyone that can answer.
Question 1: Which day at which park? I believe DCA has magic hours on the 9th and DL on the 11th, which I will not be able to partake in. I believe I should go to the park that does not have magic hours that day. So DCA on the 11th unless there is something else going on.
Question 2: Fast pass or no fast pass for GotG? Do you miss much of the queue if you fast pass it?
Question 3: Fastest route to get a fast pass? We plan on being there an hour before gates open. what's the quickest route to get a fast pass? Through bugs land or around the front and past the frozen theater?
Question 4: RSR fast pass. I'm guessing that fast pass will be available for most of the morning now that GotG ride is open, makes sense that this should be the next fast pass I grab and then just enjoy the rest of the park.
Any other touring plan changes now that this ride is open that you would suggest?
Has DL been pretty dead now that a new ride is open at DCA?

 

[Phroobar]

About half the folks I go to Disneyland with don't know Guardians and have never seen the films. Attractions should be able to stand on their own. This one does for the most part, but friends still had a ton of questions. Others don't want to ride because they don't know the franchise and think it looks juvenile. This layover has a more limited demographic due to the reliance on the IP.

Looking at the lines, I would says those are extremely tiny percentages. The vast majority of people will still go on a ride whether they know the IP or not. It's a ride they haven't gone on during their visit so they will do it. Mr. Toad is an example of this. Ask a non-Disney fanatic who Mr. Toad is and they will have no clue but the ride is never a walk on.

 

[Professortango1]

Looking at the lines, I would says those are extremely tiny percentages. The vast majority of people will still go on a ride whether they know the IP or not. It's a ride they haven't gone on during their visit so they will do it. Mr. Toad is an example of this. Ask a non-Disney fanatic who Mr. Toad is and they will have no clue but the ride is never a walk on.

Yeah, new rides and layovers get lines. I remember waiting hours for Rockin Space Mountain. It'll be back to TOT wait times in about a year.

 

[Professortango1]

These long analyses are really worrying.

Stories leave out details that aren't important, for good reason. We don't know how the Guardians were captured, or how Rocket escaped from his box. We don't know how and when Rocket got outside of the building to change the sign, or why we have clearance. All of those things contribute to the story, but the "hows" and "whys" aren't all explained, and shouldn't be. They'd distract from, and dillute, the story.

Many details being argued here simply don't need an explanation. It's part of good storytelling.

And I think Mission Breakout does an excellent job telling its story.

Glad you liked it. The plot holes took us out of the story repeatedly. Different strokes for different folks. Some love Adam Sandler flicks, others find them contrived and moronic. If you are okay with MBO, then I guess you found a good fit.

 

[Curious Constance]

When did people start thinking a theme park had to be an ongoing continuity???

ZOMG did you see those m&g characters who were actually dead?? Who decided this atrocity could stand...




Except those pesky face characters... you know those who have the most personal and direct interactions with guests...



I guess the genie in Aladdin has been ruining Disney for some time now...

Or Ariel still with her flipper.

 

[Phroobar]

Yeah, new rides and layovers get lines. I remember waiting hours for Rockin Space Mountain. It'll be back to TOT wait times in about a year.

I agree, it will most likely will return to 15-60 minutes by next year. But the ride will not be any less popular than before the layover with people that don't know the IP. Heck, most of them don't even know what the Twilight Zone was.

 

[Professortango1]

I agree, it will most likely will return to 15-60 minutes by next year. But the ride will not be any less popular than before the layover with people that don't know the IP. Heck, most of them don't even know what the Twilight Zone was.

Yes, but those unfamiliar with Twilight Zone often didn't even know it was an IP. Nobody didn't ride because they disliked The Twilight Zone or because they didn't watch the show. With MBO, people who dislike the franchise or who are wary of it have avoided it. It is a more limited demographic. Not terribly limited, but certainly the fresh IP does harbor more bias than The Twilight Zone.