Guardians of the Galaxy Mission Breakout announced for Disney California Adventure

Professortango1

Professortango1

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flynnibus said:
Can't the company just poke fun at itself and be just that.. for fun? Yes it's pandering (a cheap thrill) to some fans... but it's a blemish, not a fatal flaw.
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Yeah, its not a fatal flaw, just a sign of insecurity. They Disneyland line seems thrown in to preemptively rebut criticism about the doors opening. I know that's been the one feature which has changed the most. First they were going to enclose the top with another projection scene. Then that was going to take too long and cost too much, so they decided to axe it. Then people complained about the doors opening and revealing a non-space setting and they decided to keep the doors closed. Then people complained that the view is important and they decided the doors would open, just not for every drop profile. Now, it seems like every drop profile has the doors opening and they recorded a few lines to acknowledge they know what you're seeing so you can't call it a mistake. The ride might be based off of a Marvel property, but they handled the writing like a DC Movie, constantly unsure and changing to meet current audience expectations.
 
lazyboy97o

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flynnibus said:
Can't the company just poke fun at itself and be just that.. for fun? Yes it's pandering (a cheap thrill) to some fans... but it's a blemish, not a fatal flaw.
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The backstory is apparently going to be a common thread throughout all of the Marvel attractions. Harold and Figment would work just fine as just being creatures if there wasn't the backstory setting the whole thing up as a Disney co-production. Same [mostly] goes for the comment about seeing Disneyland.
 
sedati

sedati

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In TOT were we meant to be "in" the show, or were we in the real world where a TV show called the Twilight Zone existed?

If we are meant to be characters in a Twilight Zone scenario, then we should not have all the references to the TV show including Rod Serling. He was the host, not an active character. I'm not aware of any episode where the characters in the show saw both the title sequence and the opening introduction. They were living out the experience and Rod book-ended it.

If we are in the real world and the show existed as it did, what is really going on? The hotel had an apparently supernatural disaster back in the thirties and was shuttered. The black and white TV show is also from our past. Now the hotel is open for visitors. Fine, we see that nothing has been touched from the day the lightning struck. We go into the library and the TV comes on. It's Rod Serling introducing an unseen episode of his show- his show that has long since left the air.

Now, have we already entered the supernatural? Somehow we are now linked to past, but not the 30's. A ghost is communing with us (Serling) but are we in the Twilight Zone, the Twilight Zone TV show, or something else entirely? Rod continues to guide and narrate, seeming to take on a more active role than he ever had before. Now armed with the story of what happened it the 30's (BTW I love whenever someone gives Joe Dante work, but he did not capture the feeling of the actual show and went campy instead.) we go into the basement to board an elevator. This can no longer be called a tour and we are either fools, or no longer willing participants. Clearly the ghosts are in control and we are being sent to the same fate as those before. The bellhops, are they modern day guides or are they also ghosts from he past? After the TV room, I'd say ghosts. The ride begins, we see the 30's ghosts in the hallway, then the fifth dimension or mirror scene. Now we have crossed over... again. Dreams within dreams. Where are we now? The actual Twilight Zone? The ride ends with Rod back again, so I assume we escaped from the Twilight Zone, only to be trapped in the TV show forever.

*Not a serious inquiry, but a curiosity.
 
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Professortango1

Professortango1

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sedati said:
In TOT were we meant to be "in" the show, or were we in the real world where a TV show called the Twilight Zone existed?

If we are meant to be characters in a Twilight Zone scenario, then we should not have all the references to the TV show including Rod Serling. He was the host, not an active character. I'm not aware of any episode where the characters in the show saw both the title sequence and the opening introduction. They were living out the experience and Rod book-ended it.

If we are in the real world and the show existed as it did, what is really going on? The hotel had an apparently supernatural disaster back in the thirties and was shuttered. The black and white TV show is also from our past. Now the hotel is open for visitors. Fine, we see that nothing has been touched from the day the lightning struck. We go into the library and the TV comes on. It's Rod Serling introducing an unseen episode of his show- his show that has long since left the air.

Now, have we already entered the supernatural? Somehow we are now linked to past, but not the 30's. A ghost is communing with us (Serling) but are we in the Twilight Zone, the Twilight Zone TV show, or something else entirely? Rod continues to guide and narrate, seeming to take on a more active role than he ever had before. Now armed with the story of what happened it the 30's (BTW I love whenever someone gives Joe Dante work, but he did not capture the feeling of the actual show and went campy instead.) we go into the basement to board an elevator. This can no longer be called a tour and we are either fools, or longer willing participants. Clearly the ghosts are in control and we are being sent to the same fate as those before. The bellhops, are they modern day guides or are they also ghosts from he past? After the TV room, I'd say ghosts. The ride begins, we see the 30's ghosts in the hallway, then the fifth dimension or mirror scene. Now we have crossed over... again. Dreams within dreams. Where are we now? The actual Twilight Zone? The ride ends with Rod back again, so I assume we escaped from the Twilight Zone, only to be trapped in the TV show forever.

*Not a serious inquiry, but a curiosity.
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There was an episode where Serling interacted with the story and characters.
 
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Andrew C said:
holy overanalysis batman!
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Never has there been a better moment for this gif.

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The_Bellringer

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Professortango1 said:
Yeah, its not a fatal flaw, just a sign of insecurity. They Disneyland line seems thrown in to preemptively rebut criticism about the doors opening. I know that's been the one feature which has changed the most. First they were going to enclose the top with another projection scene. Then that was going to take too long and cost too much, so they decided to axe it. Then people complained about the doors opening and revealing a non-space setting and they decided to keep the doors closed. Then people complained that the view is important and they decided the doors would open, just not for every drop profile. Now, it seems like every drop profile has the doors opening and they recorded a few lines to acknowledge they know what you're seeing so you can't call it a mistake. The ride might be based off of a Marvel property, but they handled the writing like a DC Movie, constantly unsure and changing to meet current audience expectations.
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Actually, they didn't do a projection scene because the state of California wouldn't allow a new piece of construction jutting out of the Tower, which would be where the scene took place.

So they had to come up with something else.
 
c-one

c-one

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The_Bellringer said:
Actually, they didn't do a projection scene because the state of California wouldn't allow a new piece of construction jutting out of the Tower, which would be where the scene took place.

So they had to come up with something else.
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Never mind the Disneyland quips from the raccoon, now I can't stop considering the missed opportunity to make the facade even uglier.
 
Ismael Flores

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Professortango1 said:
Its pretty clear why the elevator is involved. Both the facade and queue feature the destroyed elevator shafts. Then the movie tells us the backstory. As for the people, its pretty clear they are 1930's hotel guests. And of course the video is necessary to the attraction, that's why it is included. Its not something in the background, its a room we all stop in for the experience. Luckily, the video does a great job of "show not tell" with the images telling the story rather than having to rely on the words. If you spoke another language, you'd still be able to follow the backstory 100%. With the current layover, its very reliant on dialogue and the video doesn't show all much.
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So if the building shows the destroyed elevator shaft why is it we get on an elevator that doesn't exist.

Also you just proved my point because in tower of terror without the video and also words of the commentator guests wouldn't know the back story of the ghost and what happened to the elevator.
In your words "of course the video is necessary to the attraction"

And even the video used now does explain what's going on, it perfectly continues the imagery of the first queue video. Guardians in a cage first video, second video diagram showing stick racoon and cage. How difficult is it to understand that he is planning an escape. Third act on ride, cages broken and Guardians loose and being attacked.

That arguement about visual and dialogue could then be said about other attractions. Why is there a jeep Inside a temple ruin? All we see in the queue for a while is markings of some unknown language. The film in the queue has lots of talking and missed by many and then somehow we are in a keep running away from rats and snakes and who is that crazy God with the glowing eyes. Do you actually think guests know the whole story?

How about splash mountain? What's up with that we get on a log and see animals singing. How many know or need to know every detail of the story to enjoy it?

As for the language barrier that never has been an issue in tokyo tower. Till now friends that are not Disney fanatics have asked the tower in Tokyo was cool even though we had no idea what it was all about.
 
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Curious Constance

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mickEblu said:
Don't let any of this distract you from the fact that the corn dogs are better at the Red Wagon than they are at Stage Door Cafe. You do get fries instead of chips at stage door though.
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Do the Red Wagon CMs make them with love? Is that why they taste better than dogs made by the hard hearted CMs at Stage Door?
 
Disney Irish

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Professortango1 said:
I never said he doesn't collect non-living things, but what makes him creepy is his collecting of living items. He hoards not just objects, but creatures and people. As for the why, I think its just cooler personally if the Collector had a real abominable snowman rather than collecting a primitive robot from a theme park attraction. I'm not here to defend what the poster wrote; I was just pointing out how out of context another poster was taking the posts and twisting them for a Strawman fallacy.
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lazyboy97o said:
There is nothing special about a crude robotic figure across the street from where it was located for decades. As a robot, Harold is unremarkable to Disney who is hosting this slave show and the visitors to Disneyland who saw said robot for decades.

Being a universe distinct from the films has nothing to do with the characters viewing themselves as real.
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Both Harold and Figment are AAs, they are easter eggs in two worlds known for easter eggs, Marvel and Disney Parks. Just like hidden Mickeys, which are not special either, its just 3 circles lined up to look like Mickey's head. Its stuff for people to find and look at while in the queue. Its that simple. Call it pandering to Disney fans, or whatever. But its not really complicated and not anything that anyone should get heated about.

Additionally the queue is suppose to be refreshed on a regular basis. So I wouldn't put it past them to change out things and add other AAs from the past. It keeps things fresh and gives repeat riders something to look forward to, hunt for the new easter eggs.
 

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