Guardians of the Galaxy Mission Breakout announced for Disney California Adventure

October82

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The GotG storyline is simple enough. You're helping people breakout. It's part of the name of the attraction. Even the example presented here of someone confused by it did understand this much. You're pinning this criticism on a pretty shoddy cork board.

Is that the entire storyline? Or is there more to it? Because the post you quoted here was making a more substantive point than you give it credit for. GotG, for instance, is telling a more complicated story, one involving characters introduced in a separate medium, each having their own internal logic. Does it succeed at telling that story? Perhaps it does. Which is why it is important to talk about it without ignoring the possibility that there is an issue here.

It's getting pretty ridiculous. The critics are really grasping for anything at this point. I guess it galls that the ride is a big hit.

What is ridiculous is the idea that if one is critical, that they must be "grasping" or "galled into it". A good rule of thumb for respectful online discussions is to not attribute negative motivations to those who disagree with you. It makes for more pleasant conversation.

With that in mind, the people who have been critical of this attraction have largely done so on the basis of substantive arguments about best practices in themed design. I can't recall anyone saying that, like any new Disneyland attraction, it wouldn't be popular at opening or even a largely enjoyable attraction. I don't think that observation impacts any of the arguments that have been made, because those arguments aren't about aesthetic preferences. What would have invalidated those arguments was a thematically consistent and well executed attraction, which this unfortunately isn't. That doesn't mean you can't like it.
 

Professortango1

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The ride has a AA Rocket Raccoon but you're not happy with that. You want to see living things and "not a cheap robot". You should be fun when SWL opens and you complain about the fake aliens. "I want real aliens not cheap robots!"

What?? Are you trolling or just not good at looking at context? The cheap robot comment was about Harold being in the queue as a robot. The Collector is collecting living things, that's what makes him creepy. Collecting a theme park animatronic from Disneyland works against that. THAT was the argument, not about Rocket.

We're there to see real characters, not images of them. These characters need to be treated as real living things and not just things from a movie.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
What?? Are you trolling or just not good at looking at context? The cheap robot comment was about Harold being in the queue as a robot. The Collector is collecting living things, that's what makes him creepy. Collecting a theme park animatronic from Disneyland works against that. THAT was the argument, not about Rocket.

We're there to see real characters, not images of them. These characters need to be treated as real living things and not just things from a movie.

Wait, Wait, Wait. Where was it ever said that the Collector ONLY collects living things. I think that is an assumption being made to try and prove a point.

In fact the Collector's collection is vast and contains both objects and living creatures. It is not one or the other, its both. So why can't he have come and collected some AAs from the Disney archives? Also Joe Rohde specifically said this is meant to be in its own universe separate from the movies. So why do we need to treat them as living things and not for what they are from our real world, AAs.
 

SSG

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Wait, Wait, Wait. Where was it ever said that the Collector ONLY collects living things. I think that is an assumption being made to try and prove a point.

In fact the Collector's collection is vast and contains both objects and living creatures. It is not one or the other, its both. So why can't he have come and collected some AAs from the Disney archives? Also Joe Rohde specifically said this is meant to be in its own universe separate from the movies. So why do we need to treat them as living things and not for what they are from our real world, AAs.
Yes, he collects relics, flora, and fauna. I thought that was clear in the first GotG movie, and going through the ride's queue shows all kinds of objects as part of the collection.
 

Curious Constance

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This thread is kind of like when you say a simple word like 'the' over and over again and it gets to the point where the word no longer makes sense. And you look at it. And it looks like it's spelled wrong. You think, is that really how you spell 'the'? What does 'the' even mean? Who came up with 'the!?' What is happening!?!
Try explaining to your spouse that you're in the middle of a hot online debate regarding animatronic raccoons and the value of adding a stuffed animal to a theme park waiting line and see what kind of reaction you get.
 

SSG

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yookeroo

Well-Known Member
Loving the MST3K the Return on Netflix!

Better than the original run.

Is that the entire storyline?

It's enough of the storyline to enjoy the ride. It's really not all that complex or difficult.

Or is there more to it? Because the post you quoted here was making a more substantive point than you give it credit for. GotG, for instance, is telling a more complicated story, one involving characters introduced in a separate medium, each having their own internal logic. Does it succeed at telling that story? Perhaps it does. Which is why it is important to talk about it without ignoring the possibility that there is an issue here.

It's a ride in a theme park. Nothing about it is important.

What is ridiculous is the idea that if one is critical, that they must be "grasping" or "galled into it".

If I called every argument a weak grasp for straws, then you might have a point. This particular argument? A looooong reach. Complaints about how it looks? I like it, but YMMV. Complaints about placement? With a Marvel Land coming, I disagree, but I can see their point. Complaints about losing ToT? Sure, I get it. Complaints about following the story? You're casting a net praying that something gets caught, but you're only finding litter. Complaints about the integrity of the Collector's story? Even worse than than complaints about following the story.

You know, it's ok not to like something without tripping over yourself trying to justify it. You probably hurt your argument more than help it with such lame justifications.
 

Professortango1

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Wait, Wait, Wait. Where was it ever said that the Collector ONLY collects living things. I think that is an assumption being made to try and prove a point.

In fact the Collector's collection is vast and contains both objects and living creatures. It is not one or the other, its both. So why can't he have come and collected some AAs from the Disney archives? Also Joe Rohde specifically said this is meant to be in its own universe separate from the movies. So why do we need to treat them as living things and not for what they are from our real world, AAs.

I never said he doesn't collect non-living things, but what makes him creepy is his collecting of living items. He hoards not just objects, but creatures and people. As for the why, I think its just cooler personally if the Collector had a real abominable snowman rather than collecting a primitive robot from a theme park attraction. I'm not here to defend what the poster wrote; I was just pointing out how out of context another poster was taking the posts and twisting them for a Strawman fallacy.
 

Professortango1

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It's a ride in a theme park. Nothing about it is important.
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Considering our place in history and the fact the human race's time is infinitely minuscule in the reach of time and space, everything isn't that important. But just because something doesn't hold greater significance in the grand scheme doesn't mean it doesn't hold importance to the individual.

If I lost my job today, by the time I'm 80, that event wouldn't be too important. But today, it certainly would be.
 

lazyboy97o

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Wait, Wait, Wait. Where was it ever said that the Collector ONLY collects living things. I think that is an assumption being made to try and prove a point.

In fact the Collector's collection is vast and contains both objects and living creatures. It is not one or the other, its both. So why can't he have come and collected some AAs from the Disney archives? Also Joe Rohde specifically said this is meant to be in its own universe separate from the movies. So why do we need to treat them as living things and not for what they are from our real world, AAs.
There is nothing special about a crude robotic figure across the street from where it was located for decades. As a robot, Harold is unremarkable to Disney who is hosting this slave show and the visitors to Disneyland who saw said robot for decades.

Being a universe distinct from the films has nothing to do with the characters viewing themselves as real.
 

c-one

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One thing this thread has reminded me of is that the Collector isn't an established enough character to base an e-ticket around, if there's this much debate and confusion about his MO. But at least there's enough of a blank slate that they could say that this is what his fortress looks like.
 

mickEblu

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One thing this thread has reminded me of is that the Collector isn't an established enough character to base an e-ticket around, if there's this much debate and confusion about his MO. But at least there's enough of a blank slate that they could say that this is what his fortress looks like.

I was really surprised to see that he wasn't in the sequel. Which I saw last night and enjoyed BTW. Great cast of characters and I'm even more excited for the Rocket AA now. Do we know if Bradley Cooper provided his voice for the AA/ attraction?
 

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