mickEblu
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Oh great. So they re rushing the rush job.
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Guardians of the Galaxy Mission Breakout announced for Disney California Adventure
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Oh great. So they re rushing the rush job.
Curious Constance
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Might have something to do with the fact that Bob Iger reads these boards and saw how important this was to the mysterious, yet delightful, young lady who has great taste in men.
GiveMeTheMusic
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Yeah, but to be fair, Star Wars Land is now a rush job to meet the late 2018 opening they still want (despite Iger's 2019 statement). They take too long to do anything anymore.
Californian Elitist
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Completely agree. DCA 1.0 was a lot more true to its name. Barely any attractions based on IPs and multiple factual California references. It was just executed horribly, unfortunately. I remember people complaining about how it wasn't "Disney" enough. Now we've got something completely different, but with lost references and cartoons/IPs everywhere. It's kind of sad, really.
Agree about Cars Land, though I wish they had just stuck with the original plan before Lasseter opened his mouth.
So, this just happened.
Friend of mine sent our group chat a photo from DCA of the tower with the text, "I think that's Star Wars land in the distance...?"
SuddenStorm
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[QUOTE="raven24I wish they had just stuck with the original plan before Lasseter opened his mouth.[/QUOTE]
What is this original plan you speak of?
What is this original plan you speak of?
GiveMeTheMusic
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What is this original plan you speak of?[/QUOTE]
Originally WDI planned an attraction that paid tribute to California's car culture. I think it may have involved Goofy? Can't remember. Anyway, Lasseter came in and was like yeah that's cool but like what if we just did my movie instead
Californian Elitist
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What is this original plan you speak of?[/QUOTE]
The land was supposed to be "Car Land," and it was going to pay homage to the car culture in California. The way it was described made it seem like there was going to be a 50's/60's vibe. I remember reading there were plans for a drive-in and a ride in which Goofy was going on a road trip through California (can't quite remember), but of course the trip was reckless and Goofy was going to get himself into messes. The land was supposed to be generic with no IP attached to it. Just a celebration of cars in California. I was really impressed with the plans. I forgot where I read all of this and where I saw the concept art, but I think I may have read it in a D23 issue. I'll look through my old issues and see if I'm correct.
SuddenStorm
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Sounds like a missed opportunity. Why not have a land like that, with a Cars ride or two? I don't think the Cars IP will still be popular 25 years from now, so I do think the land currently runs a huge risk of becoming outdated relatively quickly.
The same goes for Guardians of the Galaxy. The comic books weren't that popular for the general population, and is anyone gonna be watching the movie 30 years from now? I think part of what makes Disney parks special is their ability to create attractions that last through generations- that kids can grow up riding, then share with their kids. DCA is lacking of anything like that (with the possible exception of GRR). I fear in 10 years, people will have moved on from Guardians and the attraction will lose popularity.
Donaldfan1934
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I've said it befor and I'll say it again. Disney totally should've built a geek centric Star Wars/Marvel 3rd gate. Yes, SWL is worse fit for obvious reasons, but attraction wise, Marvel Land is off to a pretty bad start with the inevitable mess that will be Mission: Breakout. Not only does it smear the legacy of ToT, but it limits an IP as great and full of potential as GotG to its very limited ride system.
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SuddenStorm
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I'd be surprised if anyone disagrees with this. It theoretically works a lot better than what Disney is doing.
Donaldfan1934
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Thanks for the praise. A third gate was clearly the next logical step after they made DCA a full day park back in 2012. It is also a logical step to capitalize on acquired geek properties in the parks. Any sane executive would realize combining the two would be the single biggest thing for theme parks in decades and pay for itself. But of course, Disney doesn't have a lot of sane executives, so the geek properties are now about to canabalize the existing parks. While we don't now how well Marvel land will be received since it seems to be succumbing to the level of re-skinning existing attractions, SWL in isolation clearly appears to be very well executed. It will undoubtedly be a massive hit and will inevitably make canibalization the name of the game going forward. It's a true shame that the land they have for a third gate may never be used.
BrianLo
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Thanks for the praise. A third gate was clearly the next logical step after they made DCA a full day park back in 2012. It is also a logical step to capitalize on acquired geek properties in the parks. Any sane executive would realize combining the two would be the single biggest thing for theme parks in decades and pay for itself. But of course, Disney doesn't have a lot of sane executives, so the geek properties are now about to canabalize the existing parks. While we don't now how well Marvel land will be received since it seems to be succumbing to the level of re-skinning existing attractions, SWL in isolation clearly appears to be very well executed. It will undoubtedly be a massive hit and will inevitably make canibalization the name of the game going forward. It's a true shame that the land they have for a third gate may never be used.
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It'll definitely be used. I'd honestly expect a third gate by the end of next decade.
The next logical step though was fixing tomorrowland and continuing to build out DCA. The latter is happening, not exactly how people want, and the former was happening until the plans... you know what.
WDW took the too many gates too quickly route, now it's left with a bunch of parks in various states of decay and the wonderful animal kingdom that's still under built.
FigmentForver96
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Yet Splash Mountain still is popular and who in this generation has even watched the film?
HMF
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If they can't fix what they do have what makes you think they can handle a third gate?
SuddenStorm
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Not all uses of IP are created equal.
Splash Mountain was made with the intention of separating itself from the film. They reworked story elements to work outside of the narrative of the film. They introduce each of the characters early in the ride, and assume you don't know who they are. They also make the story clear and simple- there's a rabbit who doesn't like where he lives, while getting chased by a fox and bear. They eventually catch him. He is able to escape and realizes where he lives is perfect.
I'd like to think Splash Mountain falls under the category of IP use that doesn't rely on the source material to tell the story (much like Indiana Jones Adventure and the Tower of Terror)
I don't think Radiator Springs Races was able to do this as effectively. When I ride it, I feel like they intended it to have the rider "live" the Cars movie. Splash Mountain didn't try and have the rider "live" Song of the South. Part of this is because in RSR, you're the subject, not a character in the ride. It then uses elements of Cars to tell the story with you as the star.
Obviously, I shouldn't underestimate the machine that is Disney, and their ability to keep IP's relevant for extended periods of time, but I really doubt RSR will be able to operate for almost 30 years without a major update like Splash Mountain.
SuddenStorm
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Californian Elitist
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Yep. I'd put Cars Land, this new Tower, and Star Wars Land all in the same bag as missed opportunities, all for different reasons however. The original idea for Cars Land was just that, original, and could have been expanded on. The mid-century vibe would have been really neat, in my opinion. With Tower's theme completely changing, there goes any and all hope of Hollywood Land being revamped. I don't know why I trusted Disney to eventually make that happen. Star Wars Land is taking up what is probably the last expansion space left in the original Disney park, a massive space at that, and the best part is it'll be based on one, single IP. No originality, no respect for history, and no more room. Fantastic.
Missed opportunities, indeed.