News Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind attraction confirmed for Epcot

gmajew

gmajew

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It is funny how this fight always comes up and the facts are it is like politics we will never agree on it all. As it really depends on when you visited EPCOT the first time and when you fell in love with the park.....

I visited EPCOT when it first opened and then several times in the 80's 90's and then have been going every year for a week since 2005.

The EPCOT I remember from my childhood was amazing and had some amazing rides and features but I also remember it being boring at some points during my day..... I always loved the countries and walking around that area and still do.

The rides I had some that I loved and some that I hated.... Just like every park I have ever been to around the world.

The 90's EPCOT was a mess.... I did not enjoy it at all as it was a shotgun in my eyes of bad updates... and hence when EPCOT lost its way...

The current EPCOT is a lifeless form of what it once was. It pains me to walk the front part of the park these days as I miss being able to spend all day in just this section exploring the pavilions. Now you ride and move on....

The future EPCOT scares me I am against the IP in this park if it does not fit what it was when I was a kid. I have no issue with IP if it moves the original message of the park.

I don't like this ride here at all as it will not be anything about building a future world it will be a great thrill ride and yes I know I will enjoy it but my heat will alway want what the park once was as that is what I remember from my youth.

So it is silly to tell people they are right or wrong on this discussion as we all have what we remember of this park and that is what we want.... FYI my kids hate EPCOT these days... we go for two rides and then I twist arms to spend a full day.
 
Incomudro

Incomudro

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marni1971 said:
Sorry, as in it was something that seems most people had to experience first hand to “get it”. If you didn’t, you can’t really say what it was like. Subjective or not, if you never saw it you can’t know what it was or wasn’t like.

Even my videos can’t do it justice :hilarious:
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I got it.
I experienced it.
I loved it - it was my favorite park.
Then it got dated.
As I said a 70's version of what we thought the 2000's would be like.
Well, the 2000's came and they don't fit the vision.
Technology marches too quickly to be showcased in attraction that take years to build - it's impossible to keep pace.
Trade shows and the internet have taken that place.
Yes, this argument comes up over and over again...
 
marni1971

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Incomudro said:
I got it.
I experienced it.
I loved it - it was my favorite park.
Then it got dated.
As I said a 70's version of what we thought the 2000's would be like.
Well, the 2000's came and they don't fit the vision.
Technology marches too quickly to be showcased in attraction that take years to build - it's impossible to keep pace.
Trade shows and the internet have taken that place.
Yes, this argument comes up over and over again...
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I’ve said over and over had the park not changed since 1982, today it would be dated beyond belief.

But change is only good if it’s for the better. Updates should be an improvement on what was there before.

My we are off topic now.
 
Bender123

Bender123

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marni1971 said:
I’ve said over and over had the park not changed since 1982, today it would be dated beyond belief.

But change is only good if it’s for the better. Updates should be an improvement on what was there before.

My we are off topic now.
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That's always the issue with the rose colored glasses. I say it over and over again. I loved Horizons, but the last half needed updating...badly. I loved UoE, but the movies were so dangerously outdated, that they were borderline jokes. Nothing that some cash and effort couldn't have fixed, but TDO seemed more interested in thrills and empty buildings.

Looking back at original FW, ironically, the only ride that could 100% be original and not feel out of place is JII...Outside some screen updates/projection updates, I could still see that being perfect. They, somehow managed to make that ride dated by updating it.
 
tparris

tparris

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To get back on topic:
(from blogmickey twitter)
 

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1990sWDW

1990sWDW

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Incomudro said:
Technology marches too quickly to be showcased in attraction that take years to build - it's impossible to keep pace.
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This.

Updating and planning attractions based on something as ever changing as technology is impossible. You have no idea if what you are spending all your time and money for planning will be obsolete by the time it opens. Technology is more and more secretive now with many things being closely guarded IP or even national security issues. It's impossible to plan for far out technologies.

It would've been a gigantic money pit to try to and "maintain" the original theme of Epcot through updates and refurbishments.
 
MickeyMinnieMom

MickeyMinnieMom

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marni1971 said:
Sorry, as in it was something that seems most people had to experience first hand to “get it”. If you didn’t, you can’t really say what it was like. Subjective or not, if you never saw it you can’t know what it was or wasn’t like.

Even my videos can’t do it justice :hilarious:
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My first visit was 1994, so I don’t think I can “get it”, right? :)

I think I could still comment on the sustainability of the “original” model, though. And still comment on balance of type of rides (roller coasters/“thrill” and other) and changing tastes.

I also think there’s something unique to seeing something for the first time through the eyes of a child. Your view is necessarily colored by that. I wonder how many who visited as adults back then were as taken with it, and whether they now also mourn the loss of what is your childhood park.

Just another thought.
 
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marni1971

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
MickeyMinnieMom said:
My first visit was 1994, so I don’t think I can “get it”, right? :) .
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Mmmm not really. Communicore was probably a hot mess I’d think.
MickeyMinnieMom said:
I also think there’s something unique to seeing something for the first time through the eyes of a child. Your view is necessarily colored by that. I wonder how many who visited as adults back then were as taken with it, and whether they now also mourn the loss of what is your childhood park..
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The (far too much) research I’ve done in the last decade or two has only strengthened my impressions of the park. It’s not just my memories of it.
 
montyz81

montyz81

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I just had a thought. What if the original UoE building will focus on telling some energy related education story that culminates into a final that includes the coaster experience. All this told with the GotG as the story tellers. I wonder if that is why they need so much space for the queue. This is just me thinking about it. I have zero basis for my imagineering.
 
C

capsshield

Active Member
I loved the old rides at Epcot but also love the new ones that replaced Horizons and World of Motion. It's too bad they couldn't have kept the old attractions and added the new ones to the park. What a park it would be today.

I was lucky enough to spend a week at the world back in the early 80's about a year or two after EPCOT opened and I loved it. My brother and I rode the monorail back and forth riding all the big attractions at both parks while my parents worked at a trade show.
Epcot was a permanent worlds fair, very educational and entertaining. However I will be honest with myself and admit that it also needed variety in it's attractions. This in no way means I feel the attractions it had were lacking, they were unbelievably great, but the park had a problem.

One could argue that Spaceship Earth, World of Motion, Horizons, and Journey into Imagination were too similar due to the omni-mover and animatronics they used, and that Canada and China were the same only with different movies.

Each country was a store, restaurant, and movie, if that. I believe this caused a negative impact on the average guests satisfaction rating and management began to replace attractions with physically more exciting attractions to raise the thrill experience and excitement level in guests ratings. Very few guests will rate an attraction like test track as boring, however a guest that rode three similar rides featuring a slow moving Omni-mover might rate their least favorite experience as boring. So the remove and replace strategy gets rid of a negative response and adds a favorable response. A double win, and favorable numbers change quickly.

I can only guess but its my opinion that that kind of logic is the kind of logic that has probably killed the original spirit of the park.
I can only hope that after all these years they have moved beyond this stagnant growth cycle.

I came away from my first trip to EPCOT with a new perspective on the world due to what I saw and experienced at EPCOT.

That experience was diluted and washed away with a different type of experience when I brought my children there years later. The closest you can come to that experience now is to ride Spaceship Earth or Living with the Land. Entertaining Journeys that still fill your mind with Awe, wonder, and Knowledge.

Today Future World is a thrill ride based park about to add its first coaster. I expect in 10 years Imagination will be replaced with a thrill ride and perhaps the central core area will get something as well.

It really is a crime that they destroyed those attractions to add attractions to Epcot. Epcot should be a two to three day park especially with all the great fine dining experiences it has. The park really has been neglected in its growth. Basically the management managed to keep it a certain size for almost forty years now, happy to get one day more out of the average visitors trip. They should never have destroyed the old attractions and should have added 3-4 more countries to the World Showcase by now. That would have given the average visitor another 6-7 attractions to visit while there. And I haven't even mentioned what they did to Wonders of Life. Closed and never replaced or reopened. 3 attractions gone for good.
 

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