Hatbox Ghostbuster
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That's pretty bad. I've been watching my city try to install ONE pedestrian bridge over a street...since January.
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News Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind attraction confirmed for Epcot
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sedati
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Well, I live in one of the older cities in the US- Quincy, MA. It's hard to say what's a bloated budget when you start digging in historical areas. The new Hancock-Adams Common restores an old connection between the Hancock cemetery, the original town hall, and the church where the Adams are buried. The park has statues and fountains and I planned on getting pictures today, but the weather's been crap.
Hatbox Ghostbuster
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Ah OK, that actually helps make sense. I live in a suburb north of LA where every available space of land is looked at for either a housing tract or a drive-thru Starbucks...or worse, both.
Still true though.
peter11435
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You got me. What do they think it means?
Figments Friend
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I was back at Epcot today and walked around the shell of the ex-Energy Pavilion.
Wow was it depressing.
Seeing the stripped walls where once there was glittering tiles, and the square shaped baseboards now exposed underneath.
It looks like a burned out building now from the front...even though the Pavillion signage and 'needle' is still present and intact.
I was surprised to see that, as the rest of the front section is stripped clean.
That brightly colored construction wall can't hide the black carnage I can clearly see.
I did shoot some photos today.
I'll see if I can brighten them up ( contrast of the bright sky with the dark building was a issue ) and try to post em'.
I focused on trying to capture shots of the stripped walls and such, as to me it just looks so sad.
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Wow was it depressing.
Seeing the stripped walls where once there was glittering tiles, and the square shaped baseboards now exposed underneath.
It looks like a burned out building now from the front...even though the Pavillion signage and 'needle' is still present and intact.
I was surprised to see that, as the rest of the front section is stripped clean.
That brightly colored construction wall can't hide the black carnage I can clearly see.
I did shoot some photos today.
I'll see if I can brighten them up ( contrast of the bright sky with the dark building was a issue ) and try to post em'.
I focused on trying to capture shots of the stripped walls and such, as to me it just looks so sad.
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Sped2424
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They think it means that a single ride shouldn't take 3 years to build if a whole park and multiple rides took about the same time. And they would be right lol
peter11435
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That is what they think it means.
They are not right. That is not how construction works.
Certainly the project could be done faster. But the fact that an entire park was built in 3 years is irrelevant. If you applied the same requirements necessary to accomplish this project in less time you could have constructed Epcot in less time too.
atjimfromdisney
Active Member
There are so many working variables when it comes to a project management timeline. Build time is irrelevant to me, delays happen, which cause other delays which cause other delays which cause other delays. Get the attraction right, not rushed.
eddie104
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Exactly
montyz81
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According to my research, Horizons took 2 years 2 months to build from site prep to opening day. That ride was far more complex then the GoTG ride appears to be. Rock 'n' Roller Coaster took 1 year 4 months if we are comparing apples to apples. Just trying to put some facts up against the build time for GoTG. Is it a fair comparison? I think it is, but maybe I am wrong.
mikejs78
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Popularity, I think. Everyone I have talked to in the past couple of years who isn't anDisney enthusiast but just made a visit to WDW list 7DMT among their favorite attractions.
Skibum1970
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That was my guess. Capacity should be okay around 1,500 (standard coaster throughput) but the line is always one of the longest in the park. Thanks for the input.
mikejs78
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Also being from the metro Boston area, I have two words for you: Big Dig.
peter11435
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Those are fair comparisons.
Lensman
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IMHO, there are two misunderstandings:
1. There are some people who have a variant of the classic 9 pregnant women can have a baby in 1 month fallacy - that if you can build 12 attractions in 3 years, that you should be able to build 1 attraction in 3 months. Our brains aren't geared to understand this kind of scalability. Our gut feels are based on how "big" the job feels.
2. I wonder if there's also the classic lack of understanding that brown field development is harder than green field development? That is, that renovation is often harder than building from scratch because you have to work within the constraints and confines of what exists and what is going to stay that you have to stay within the confines of. In the case of the GotG coaster, it's stuff like having to work within the existing Energy building, dealing with the existing drainage canal, and maybe having to figure out how to pull additional power to the building. I also don't know if there are many constraints imposed by having to work within an existing park with guest during operating hours. On the bright side, site access seems reasonable since the big build is on the periphery of the park.
All this said pretty much everyone complains about how long new attractions take to design and build and how much more expensive they've become. Just imagine how much more expensive they would be if they were built any faster?
sedati
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I handled a lot of the blueprinting for that project- it was insane, but justifiably so. The first time I rode Test Track I called it the BIg Dig Simulator seeing as you constantly start-stop-swerve-zig/zag-then blast out at top speed once your free to make up lost time.
Have you heard about our own proposal for a gondola system?
https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2018/03/07/boston-seaport-gondola
geekza
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I don't know that this has any bearing and if anyone knows otherwise, please feel free to correct me, but part of the lengthy build might also be due to the fact that when EPCOT Center was being built, Disney only had two parks. Now they have them all over the world. Yes, the company has more money now, but they're also spreading their theme park budget around far more parks. Maybe it makes more sense for them to spread out the construction length from a cost perspective instead of having to pay more for it to be finished faster. I mean, they've already spent a fortune and, by the time it's finished, will have spent a HUGE fortune. Why not try and save some money? Also, it means that they'll have another selling point for the 50th if it opens around that time.