Since you asked. Fireworks are annual though. But it’s the wrong thread for this. Again.
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Since you asked. Fireworks are annual though. But it’s the wrong thread for this. Again.
EricsBiscuit
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The canal shoppes at the Venetian and the Caesar's forums shops are incredibly themed but they are exceptions.
Prince Thomas
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seriously LOL
Prince Thomas
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yaaaaas with the clap back
sedati
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I think I'm the one you were referring to. I said I never felt more like a walking wallet than at World Showcase, and even moreso at Food and Wine. This was a response to a post by Jenny72 stating "The constant movie IP and shops make me feel I'm less of a guest and more of a walking wallet."
Food and Wine didn't ruin my trip- this was my first experience with it and I was curious. More importantly, the others I was with really wanted to do it (their favorite item was Greek Nachos, I think we had to hit that booth on three separate occasions.) Now that I've experienced it however, I think the event takes the aspects of World Showcase that I don't care too much about or simply can't afford, turns it up to eleven and shoves it repeatedly into my face. I should note that while I love trying new foods, I have to be very careful as there is an increasingly long list of things I cannot eat- and on precious vacation time I just never want to take a risk of getting knocked out of commission. Probably half of my food budget this trip went to popcorn and glazed almonds/pecans.
That said, I want to bring back the concept of being a walking wallet. Pandora (IP land) holds two rides, two eating establishments, and two shops (and two bathrooms.) That to me is an acceptable ratio. It wasn't the plan, but Satuli and Pongo managed to get a good deal of money from each of us. But what is that ratio for World Showcase, and what is that then during Food and Wine? It's a literal parade of cash registers. I've always enjoyed the walk around the Showcase promenade, but this did greatly diminish that. It wasn't just that it made it so much more crowded, it was that you were weaving through a series of stagnant lines- the whole 1.2 mile long stretch feels like the Small World/Peter Pan corridor in Fantasyland.
Again, I don't begrudge anyone who considers shopping or eating activities worth paying for the right to pay for. I hold the same opinion when it comes to Renaissance Faires- they're fun and different, but in the end I feel like all I paid for access to a somewhat unique retail opportunities (and I say somewhat as in the internet age you can really get anything you want if you look for it.)
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Cesar R M
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What about Beauty and the Beast then?
Id argue the nostalgia that Disney creates makes a huge draw and connection and therefore sell more.
AEfx
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Yup.
That's my point. I think you are confused about what is being argued about, LOL. Because you keep agreeing with me. Both Lion King and B&tB on Broadway were based on the existing successful films.
The argument was about what audiences want to see. I think, clearly, they want to see things based on properties they are familiar with and/or already have a connection to, versus "that's what they are fed". Someone brought up Hamilton as an example, and when you look at the list of most successful broadway shows - it's an outlier, an exception, not the norm.
Cesar R M
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Not at all.
My point was about popularity and ticket sales. The Really Useful for example had a big repertoire with very successfully shows like CATS.
You argued that "CATS" didnt exactly count because they only took a book and added music on it (same with Phantom).
Which essentially what they did with Beauty and the Beast and the Lion King.
Lion King and Beauty and the Beast being the most "exact" comparison since its a bis per bis recreation of the movie.
AEfx
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That is the point. Largely, the most successful Broadway shows are based on existing properties that people are familiar with.
Then someone made the case of Cats/Phantom as "original", and my point was, even THOSE were not wholly original properties, either.
When you look at the list of top broadway musicals ever, the largest majority of them are not original productions of all new material. This is a fact. Go down the list. Count.
I still don't get what you think I am arguing about because you are making largely the same points that I am.
Pixieish
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It's a fact that most ideas are just re-hashes of ideas someone else already had but just with a new twist.
danlb_2000
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If we go by length of run, which is good indicator of popularity, then the list is.
1. The Phantom of the Opera
2. Chicago
3. The Lion King
4. [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cats_(musical)']Cats[/URL]
5. Les Misérables
6. Chorus Line
7. Oh! Calcutta!
8. Wicked
9. Mamma Mia!
10. Beauty and the Beast
Only three of these are not based on previous material, Chicago, Chorus Line and Oh! Calcutta!, but I would argue that the only ones where the popularity could be significantly attributed to source material are Lion King, Wicked, Mamma Mia! and Beauty and the Beast.
disnyfan89
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Guardians of the Galaxy Jukebox musical CONFIRMED!
AEfx
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Much of the stuff in the shops, except for the truly authentic ($$$$$) and imported name brand stuff ($$$$), is actually a lot of cheap baubles. My mom was a buyer for a small boutique when we went to WDW a number of years ago, and she couldn't believe how they had the exact same stuff (literally, from the same vendors) for sale throughout WS. I didn't believe her so she took some pics of the stuff at WS while we were there, and when we got home she tore out the catalogs and showed me item after item.
The whole conversation came up while we were there over some placemats I had found in Japan - I think they were like $8.95. I thought hey, cheap, unique souvenir. That's when she told me. Later she showed me them in those catalogs - in bulk they were less than a buck, each.
In any case, this is like the Disney Springs discussion - yes, WS is exquisitely themed. But it really has functioned mostly as a "mall" with a very well-appointed food court for decades. Especially since they have gotten rid of all the streetmosphere and other cultural touches it once had. That's why it's finally nice we are getting some real attractions added in there.
AEfx
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Popularity...in our grandparents time. LOL.
I don't think that is a very good measure of modern popularity, as most of the ones on that list that are above the modern musicals are from 30-50 years ago. Sure, some ran a long time, or had revivals, but the whole reason we are discussing this is because of the discussion about what audiences today want to see in entertainment/attractions. That's why the grosses are the best indicator - because they weigh more heavily on what audiences are willing to fork money over for, today.
That said, look at the list you provided - and look at the ones that are less than 20 years old. Lion King. Wicked. Mama Mia. Beauty and the Beast.
Point proven, again.
AEfx
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Of course it does.
THAT IS MY ENTIRE POINT.
Audiences want things they are already familiar with when they go to the dang theater, or, to a theme park.
I'll bite- what is it?I think we can all agree on an IP-based attraction that would work in Epcot...
Cesar R M
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Except in Disney's case, they are BIS PER BIS versions of the movies, that is one of my goddarn points that somehow seems to elude people in here.
like @AEfx mentioned.. while most shows have IP or are based on existing franchise. Most of the original series and content was not tied directly to a musical or had songs.
Almost every single Disney one has key songs that would tie in to a musical.
For example.. Cats had NOTHING related to a musical at all, nor they were super well known content.
Lion King, Beauty and the Beast..etc.. do
As per danlb_2000 list:
Also, those are "broadway" numbers right?
what about England's runs? or worldwide runs?
Do the list you mentioned exclusively mentioned broadway runs or they counted their entire runs?
Cesar R M
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Dont give them ideas. If they made a spiderman one.. I can imagine them trying to make something like that when everything has been leeched to dead.