News Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind attraction confirmed for Epcot

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andre85

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csm said:
However, the ride is shockingly one of the best pieces of storytelling Disney has done in a very long time - a fact that honestly makes me angry. And Monsters After Dark, being the story sequel, just makes it even more solidly compelling.
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What storytelling? The story is practically over by the time the ride begins. Don't get me wrong, I quite like the ride, but the "story" is pure nonsense
 
GlacierGlacier

GlacierGlacier

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andre85 said:
What storytelling? The story is practically over by the time the ride begins. Don't get me wrong, I quite like the ride, but the "story" is pure nonsense
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Eh, they've got some vignettes there that progress through a small story inside the drop sequences. It's difficult to remember or pay attention, becase your mind is preoccupied with other things, but the overall storytelling of the building (from visual design to the queue to the pre-show to the pull-back before the first lift) are all wonderful. I've never been more excited for a ride then when I'm sitting in that cage and seeing rocket's shadow plug in the walkman.
 
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andre85

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GlacierGlacier said:
Eh, they've got some vignettes there that progress through a small story inside the drop sequences. It's difficult to remember or pay attention, becase your mind is preoccupied with other things, but the overall storytelling of the building (from visual design to the queue to the pre-show to the pull-back before the first lift) are all wonderful. I've never been more excited for a ride then when I'm sitting in that cage and seeing rocket's shadow plug in the walkman.
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Those vignettes are almost literally just random scenes. It's fine to be excited by Rocket's entrance (I like it too!), but the climax of the story is like 5 seconds later. The ride is a far cry from Disney's best when it comes to telling a story (and is greatly inferior to the ride it replaced, if you want to incorporate the queue aspect as well)
 
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Next Big Thing

Next Big Thing

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cheezbat said:
Your opinion of course.

I thought the exact opposite when I saw it earlier this year....I didn't think it could really be that bad...and yet it was worse. Gaudy and way out of place.
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The only place I thought it noticeably (without going out of my way to look) looked off was from Radiator Springs Racers.

Also, there's an entire Marvel Land coming down the pipeline, meaning that while it may be out of place in some respects now, it won't be in a few years.
 
mikenatcity1

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GlacierGlacier said:
Eh, they've got some vignettes there that progress through a small story inside the drop sequences. It's difficult to remember or pay attention, becase your mind is preoccupied with other things, but the overall storytelling of the building (from visual design to the queue to the pre-show to the pull-back before the first lift) are all wonderful. I've never been more excited for a ride then when I'm sitting in that cage and seeing rocket's shadow plug in the walkman.
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Yes! I agree! I love this ride :) When Rocket first appeared and took something from the room, I was excited. I like how they made the bounces, drops and launches sync up with the movie that is being shown (and that the movie is not the same for each ride). Monsters After Dark is really cool as well- I like how they take the same ride, but make it "later the same day"...
 
Mike S

Mike S

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Next Big Thing said:
The only place I thought it noticeably (without going out of my way to look) looked off was from Radiator Springs Racers.

Also, there's an entire Marvel Land coming down the pipeline, meaning that while it may be out of place in some respects now, it won't be in a few years.
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When it's one of the tallest buildings in the park and can be seen from other areas, yes it will be.
 
Bender123

Bender123

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matt9112 said:
horizons is the one thing that honestly ****es me off i never got to ride it ever. my first trip to WDW was during the brief closure before it reoped and than closed the second time. im honestly upset i was born too late.
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I loved the ride and it has earned every bit of praise it gets. The problem is that the future, at the time the ride closed, was not what the future looked like anymore. It was cheesy and looked like a 1970s view of what the future would look like. If you want an example of my point, go on CoP and try not to laugh at dated the "present" looks. The voice activated oven is laughably outdated, the video game looks like Atari era graphics and the way the family talks ("We didn't even have a car phone...") come off as quaint. Now imagine that spread out over the better part of a 17 minute ride split into huge sections on "future living". It was scene after scene of this.

Don't get me wrong...It was easily one of the greatest dark rides WDI ever produced, but that doesn't change that it was also, conceptually, one of the most flawed. Imagine having to rebuild 60% of a ride every few years to constantly guess at how technology will change and prevent the ever advancing "dated" look from overtaking it completely.

I feel bad that you missed out on it. It was a marvel. I wish there was some way that it could have been saved, but I also realize that it was in a bad place, as the future gets here a lot faster than we ever expect.
 
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Bocabear

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Bender123 said:
I loved the ride and it has earned every bit of praise it gets. The problem is that the future, at the time the ride closed, was not what the future looked like anymore. It was cheesy and looked like a 1970s view of what the future would look like. If you want an example of my point, go on CoP and try not to laugh at dated the "present" looks. The voice activated oven is laughably outdated, the video game looks like Atari era graphics and the way the family talks ("We didn't even have a car phone...") come off as quaint. Now imagine that spread out over the better part of a 17 minute ride split into huge sections on "future living". It was scene after scene of this.

Don't get me wrong...It was easily one of the greatest dark rides WDI ever produced, but that doesn't change that it was also, conceptually, one of the most flawed. Imagine having to rebuild 60% of a ride every few years to constantly guess at how technology will change and prevent the ever advancing "dated" look from overtaking it completely.

I feel bad that you missed out on it. It was a marvel. I wish there was some way that it could have been saved, but I also realize that it was in a bad place, as the future gets here a lot faster than we ever expect.
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I experienced this ride countless times and it was a marvel...if you think it was dated, Look at Martin's video... I don't have a hologram phone yet...do you? I also don't know of any agricultural cities built in the reclaimed desert, Undersea Colonies, or colonies in outer space... The style and look may have gotten a little dated, but they were at their core futuristic and way beyond anyplace we currently are... The COP is a bad example as it was not meant to really be the future and has not been updated in over 20 years... Horizons was squarely set in the future...and with a little technological updating would have still felt relevant and forward thinking... it was not laughably outdated at all....and I agree the final scene of COP is absolutely ridiculous and embarrassingly bad.
 
Bender123

Bender123

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Bocabear said:
I experienced this ride countless times and it was a marvel...if you think it was dated, Look at Martin's video... I don't have a hologram phone yet...do you? I also don't know of any agricultural cities built in the reclaimed desert, Undersea Colonies, or colonies in outer space... The style and look may have gotten a little dated, but they were at their core futuristic and way beyond anyplace we currently are... The COP is a bad example as it was not meant to really be the future and has not been updated in over 20 years... Horizons was squarely set in the future...and with a little technological updating would have still felt relevant and forward thinking... it was not laughably outdated at all....and I agree the final scene of COP is absolutely ridiculous and embarrassingly bad.
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Yeah...we don't have space colonies, dessert farms or underwater cities, but the "future" shown is firmly rooted in the 1970s. We aren't in the future, but we also know it wont look like that, anymore, and the idea of those just aren't as compelling as they used to be. Im not against the concept, I actually love it, but how do you keep the "future" something inspiring and realistic, without falling into a dated and cheesy look.
 
WDWFREAK53

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Bocabear said:
I experienced this ride countless times and it was a marvel...if you think it was dated, Look at Martin's video... I don't have a hologram phone yet...do you? I also don't know of any agricultural cities built in the reclaimed desert, Undersea Colonies, or colonies in outer space... The style and look may have gotten a little dated, but they were at their core futuristic and way beyond anyplace we currently are... The COP is a bad example as it was not meant to really be the future and has not been updated in over 20 years... Horizons was squarely set in the future...and with a little technological updating would have still felt relevant and forward thinking... it was not laughably outdated at all....and I agree the final scene of COP is absolutely ridiculous and embarrassingly bad.
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I completely agree but also agree with the statement you are responding to. Even though the concepts you have mentioned from Horizons still haven’t happened, I’m not sure our current future will even focus on trying to achieve them (reclaiming a desert could seriously throw off entire ecosystems, as well as underwater colonies...but is anybody even focusing on undersea colonies or are colonies off of our planet being more looked into?). The aesthetics of those future ideas would look extremely outdated so even if they wanted to keep Horizons with those scenes, they would still need to constantly update them to not look dated.
 
Bender123

Bender123

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WDWFREAK53 said:
I completely agree but also agree with the statement you are responding to. Even though the concepts you have mentioned from Horizons still haven’t happened, I’m not sure our current future will even focus on trying to achieve them (reclaiming a desert could seriously throw off entire ecosystems, as well as underwater colonies...but is anybody even focusing on undersea colonies or are colonies off of our planet being more looked into?). The aesthetics of those future ideas would look extremely outdated so even if they wanted to keep Horizons with those scenes, they would still need to constantly update them to not look dated.
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That is basically here I am coming from...The more interesting (at least current events wise) frontiers of science, right now, are things like medicine, genetics, communication, robotics, AI, etc...

I don't really see a focus on "The home of the future" concept that Horizons was based off of being a winning formula anymore...I loved Horizons more than everything at Epcot that wasn't named Journey Into Imagination, my problem is how does a ride like that survive, when constantly being proven outdated or incorrect?

On topic, look at UoE. It was also a classic ride that energy technology just outran with astonishing speed. The dinosaurs were awesome, but they had to shoehorn a reason for them to be there, the Bill Nye movies were vastly outdated by the time they were premiered (Look at our future in nuclear power! Solar Power is insanely expensive! Coal and gas are life!). OK...now you have a ride based on fossil fuels when everybody and their mother is trying to get rid of fossil fuels and the cost of renewables has plummeted.

Its hard to show the future, when the future is constantly fighting back and showing how dumb you are.
 
bclane

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Bender123 said:
That is basically here I am coming from...The more interesting (at least current events wise) frontiers of science, right now, are things like medicine, genetics, communication, robotics, AI, etc...

I don't really see a focus on "The home of the future" concept that Horizons was based off of being a winning formula anymore...I loved Horizons more than everything at Epcot that wasn't named Journey Into Imagination, my problem is how does a ride like that survive, when constantly being proven outdated or incorrect?

On topic, look at UoE. It was also a classic ride that energy technology just outran with astonishing speed. The dinosaurs were awesome, but they had to shoehorn a reason for them to be there, the Bill Nye movies were vastly outdated by the time they were premiered (Look at our future in nuclear power! Solar Power is insanely expensive! Coal and gas are life!). OK...now you have a ride based on fossil fuels when everybody and their mother is trying to get rid of fossil fuels and the cost of renewables has plummeted.

Its hard to show the future, when the future is constantly fighting back and showing how dumb you are.
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They should have kept it and renamed it, "Horizons: A 1980s Retrospective Vision of the Future" and then it would always be relevant...and completely awesome. Just have the cast members dress in 80s fashions and bingo you have a permanent retro experience at Epcot.
 

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