Guardians of the Galaxy coming to Energy Pavilion at Epcot

[imperius]

this is really the crux of the argument for the everyday jamoke that's saying, "who cares?! it's NEW!!!! LOVE THIS ZOMG!!!"

why would you want to do the same thing at four different parks? you're going to pay obscene amounts of money for slightly-different experiences? these are the same people that go to universal and say, "too many screens." and they're probably right about that.

plus, i'll be damned if GotG is relevant even by the time this attraction comes out. marvel fanbois think everyone loves this stuff, and they support their claims with box office successes. but it's far more more niche than you realize.

Superheroes are far from niche. Kids and adults love the stuff and it's not going to go away for a long time.

 

[raymusiccity]

Stop, just stop.

 

[danlb_2000]

There are plenty of lawyers who visit these forums and the contract is publicly available to see. ON TOP OF THAT, I believe Bob Iger has previously confirmed they couldn't do anything with Marvel at WDW during a Shareholder Q&A a year or two back.

Either:

A) They have reached a new understanding with Universal for non-avengers characters separate from the old deal
B) They have figured out a loophole for obscure characters
C) This is just something WDI and Burbank are talking about (possibly with Universal) and its merely in the discussion/blue sky phase
D) Rumor is totally bogus

The only quote I remember from Iger on this topic is that they were every "limited" in what they could do with Marvel in WDW. The contract only gives Universal rights to the characters they currently use and characters in the same "family". So for example there is a ride based on Storm from the X-Men so Disney could not build an Wolverine ride. At the other extreme, Uni doesn't use Big Hero Six, and BH6 doesn't have any connection to any of the families that they do use so that on is clear for Disney to use, thus why we have a Baymax MGM. Other characters can get a little muddy because of the inter-related web of comic book characters, but there is no reason to believe the GotG is 100% off limits.

 

[danlb_2000]

This has been discussed before, but any updates on whether Disney and Comcast worked out whether GotG can stay in the parks past being worked into the Avenger's universe in Infinity Wars? I've been assuming this is the case but haven't heard it definitively.

I see only two possible scenarios

1. Disney has verified that they would be ok using GoTG.
2. These rumors are 100% fabricated.

I lean strongly to number 1.

 

[wdisney9000]

do you not think as somebody mentioned earlier that 'future land' would be hard to maintain now with out continuous massive investment due to the quick rate of technological developments>

Why do believe that the future is strictly about "technological advancements"? It is about muh more than that.

 

[Tim Lohr]

This is an interesting point, that perhaps @marni1971 can discuss. Are we looking at a Guardians attraction that would have a loose tie to energy or is it just going to be a detached IP based attraction using the Guardians characters?

I'm assuming they're won't really be a concretion the current Energy pavilion/concept, although I'm sure if enough people complain I'm someone at the Walt Disney co. will concoct some far fetched explanation for it's being there the like Joe Rohde trying to rationalize Avatar at AK because "it's all about nature" ...when it's really "all about money"... but god bless Joe for trying

 

[wdisney9000]

Superheroes are far from niche. Kids and adults love the stuff and it's not going to go away for a long time.

While that is very true. It is not a justification to build super heroe rides wherever they please. Unless theyve abandoned a fluid teme and stroy line of a park.

 

[Matthew]

Why do believe that the future is strictly about "technological advancements"? It is about muh more than that.

i don't believe the future is purely about technological advances... i believe it is whatever we as a species make it...... it could be flying cars, it could be star trek style food replicators or it could just as easily be burning rubble...

but in order to portray a positive future i think you need to have some kind of technological advances displayed in to show it as a vision of the future.

 

[SpaceMountain77]

This post is the reason why we need the original Epcot Center to educate guests now more than ever

I cannot help but wonder if Parks & Resorts has heard of STEM and, if so, believe it to be a passing fad.

 

[baymenxpac]

Superheroes are far from niche. Kids and adults love the stuff and it's not going to go away for a long time.

well, this brings us to a little tangent, but: this is the problem with that argument. says who? people who like comics? "kids and adults" love it? so everyone? i'm going to walk into the street and not find one person that's like, "superheroes? eh...."?

personally, just my opinion, but i couldn't care less about any of them right now. i get there are people that will line up at midnight for thor 955 or whatever, but you could say that about most things. it seems fairly obvious that the genre is headed for a tipping point. the market is so saturated, and will continue to be. but that's not the reason why they shouldn't bring this kind of IP into epcot.

a lot of this stuff doesn't make for very sturdy fodder for permanent attractions to be built on, especially when thematically, they don't make a lick of sense. i loved he-man as a kid in the '80s. where was my masters of the universe overlay on horizons? it sounds like something i would have pitched to my parents when i was five and they would have smiled, and said, "well, that's not really what epcot is about, sweetie." i guess we need to start talking to iger and co. (and the people who defend these idiotic decisions on these boards) like they're five-year olds.

so guardians had a great box office two years ago. will people still care in 10 years? will people care in five years when they open this? do people care now?

and everyone who says, "it's not feasible to keep upgrading based on 'the future.'" really? so you're telling me that 10 years from now, GotG is going to be so red-hot that this attraction won't feel outdated?

if you're talking yourself into this being good, it's because WDW fans have essentially fallen into an abusive relationship with these parks. things are so bad that when even one little thing is added (bathroom, smells to PotC), we lose our minds and say, "they're restoring it to its proper glory!" they're not. they're doing as little as they can so the profits are bigger than ever.

 

[SpaceMountain77]

This is worse than Frozen! I don't even know how to react to it at this point, just... Why GotG? Why Epcot???

I suspect that Parks & Resorts sincerely believes that Flower & Garden and Food & Wine festival guests will be too inebriated to comprehend the lack of thematic cohesion and cohesive storytelling.

 

[FigmentForver96]

well, this brings us to a little tangent, but: this is the problem with that argument. says who? people who like comics? "kids and adults" love it? so everyone? i'm going to walk into the street and not find one person that's like, "superheroes? eh...."?

personally, just my opinion, but i couldn't care less about any of them right now. i get there are people that will line up at midnight for thor 955 or whatever, but you could say that about most things. it seems fairly obvious that the genre is headed for a tipping point. the market is so saturated, and will continue to be. but that's not the reason why they shouldn't bring this kind of IP into epcot.

a lot of this stuff doesn't make for very sturdy fodder for permanent attractions to be built on, especially when thematically, they don't make a lick of sense. i loved he-man as a kid in the '80s. where was my masters of the universe overlay on horizons? it sounds like something i would have pitched to my parents when i was five and they would have smiled, and said, "well, that's not really what epcot is about, sweetie." i guess we need to start talking to iger and co. (and the people who defend these idiotic decisions on these boards) like they're five-year olds.

so guardians had a great box office two years ago. will people still care in 10 years? will people care in five years when they open this? do people care now?

and everyone who says, "it's not feasible to keep upgrading based on 'the future.'" really? so you're telling me that 10 years from now, GotG is going to be so red-hot that this attraction won't feel outdated?

if you're talking yourself into this being good, it's because WDW fans have essentially fallen into an abusive relationship with these parks. things are so bad that when even one little thing is added (bathroom, smells to PotC), we lose our minds and say, "they're restoring it to its proper glory!" they're not. they're doing as little as they can so the profits are bigger than ever.

I agreed with pretty much everything you have said in this thread thus far which has kept me from posting. (I'm lazy I accept that). There is one point though that I wish to pull from your text and these the popularity of the franchise or even the ride ten years later. Sometimes even when a movie genre or a movie in particular dies out most people seem to forget it. In the case of the ride, however, people will ride it as long it is a cool ride. The best example will always be Splash Mountain. A movie that most people in the long lines will not even know exsisted. They go because the ride is fun.

Just a point I thought was worth mentioning. You are spot on though

 

[Mike S]

Wow I am so proud of the passion displayed by the members of these forums. It just took me an hour to catch up with this thread from just yesterday afternoon. I believe most of us feel the same about all these proposed changes. The sad part is if Celebration Place and TDO are reading this but just simply do not care about any of our sediments. Or maybe they do, but the Bobs are too powerful and too arrogant to listen to passionate folks like us even if we are the minority of park goers. Yeah I wrote and mailed him a 4 page letter discussing my concerns about Epcot earlier this year. No response as I expected.

Yeah, they take us totally for granite.

 

[Wikkler]

I suspect that Parks & Resorts sincerely believes that Flower & Garden and Food & Wine festival guests will be too inebriated to comprehend the lack of thematic cohesion and cohesive storytelling.

I don't think P&R knows what cohesive theme and storytelling are anymore.

 

[Tim Lohr]

There is some very nice elegance and sophistication to that design, and it could easily be made into Xandar.

Or it could just as easily be made into something that relates to the real world concept of Energy.

There is some pretty cool art direction in GOTG though, which is probably why they are looking at it for Epcot, but most of Epcot is just some variety of "Modernist" design which uses nothing but basic geometric shapes, colors, and textures. Like Spaceship Earth is the basic shape of a sphere, covered in these "brushed chrome" triangles... it's all simple things that exist in nature, put together in a very mathematically sophisticated way to create a building that looks "familiar" but also "unnatural" which gives the impression that it's "futuristic".
If you Google "Modern Architecture" you'll find there's plenty of if it out there in the real world

They're building replicas of Sci-fi movie sets at The Studios and Animal Kingdom... because they don't seem to know what else to to do at those parks... and Magic Kingdom's Tomorrowland is kind of just a cartoon ...so maybe we could try and keep Epoct's Future World based in reality? I think it'd be a nice change of pace from the other 3 parks

 

[RSoxNo1]

Who is arguing? I see people engaging in a civil discussion on an internet message forum.

No, you're wrong. We're arguing. I hate you.

 

[Rodan75]

Each to their own opinion... Having experienced the parks in the 80's and 90's and then not visiting between 1998 and 2015 I can say that in MY OPINION there felt like plenty of Disney Spirit around.

I'm with you in this opinion. I visited the parks a lot in the late 80's and early 90's and I remember a sad MK and a glorious EC. The 94 makeover of Tomorrowland and the freshing of the rest of MK helped me finally 'get' MK.

Then I didn't visit again until 2007...and what had become of EC was sad and justifies nearly every negative opinion on these boards. Service at MK was horrible but I loved AK and DHS. Over the last 9 years I've seen significant service improvements and a much more emphatic Disney Spirit at WDW.

So in my opinion...there were really really bad times and that needs to be recognized...things are better now, but still worthy of criticism...and the 80's wasn't quite as perfect as folks remember them. This is pretty much the lens in which I view the discussions here, it helps me stay sane when folks over-hype the past or undervalue the present.

 

[SpaceMountain77]

I don't think P&R knows what cohesive theme and storytelling are anymore.

P&R certainly knows how to work theming and storytelling when it involves the construction of DVC resorts. The Villas at Disney's Wilderness Lodge became Boulder Ridge Villas and the expansion is Copper Creek Villas and Cabins. An all-new storyline has been promised for the new pool and table service restaurant.

Storytelling comes at a price of $180 per point, with a 150 point minimum purchase.

 

[wdisney9000]

well, this brings us to a little tangent, but: this is the problem with that argument. says who? people who like comics? "kids and adults" love it? so everyone? i'm going to walk into the street and not find one person that's like, "superheroes? eh...."?

personally, just my opinion, but i couldn't care less about any of them right now. i get there are people that will line up at midnight for thor 955 or whatever, but you could say that about most things. it seems fairly obvious that the genre is headed for a tipping point. the market is so saturated, and will continue to be. but that's not the reason why they shouldn't bring this kind of IP into epcot.

a lot of this stuff doesn't make for very sturdy fodder for permanent attractions to be built on, especially when thematically, they don't make a lick of sense. i loved he-man as a kid in the '80s. where was my masters of the universe overlay on horizons? it sounds like something i would have pitched to my parents when i was five and they would have smiled, and said, "well, that's not really what epcot is about, sweetie." i guess we need to start talking to iger and co. (and the people who defend these idiotic decisions on these boards) like they're five-year olds.

so guardians had a great box office two years ago. will people still care in 10 years? will people care in five years when they open this? do people care now?

and everyone who says, "it's not feasible to keep upgrading based on 'the future.'" really? so you're telling me that 10 years from now, GotG is going to be so red-hot that this attraction won't feel outdated?

if you're talking yourself into this being good, it's because WDW fans have essentially fallen into an abusive relationship with these parks. things are so bad that when even one little thing is added (bathroom, smells to PotC), we lose our minds and say, "they're restoring it to its proper glory!" they're not. they're doing as little as they can so the profits are bigger than ever.

The people who applaud and cheer these decisions are very much stuck in a child like sate of thought. They just want something, and they want it NOW. A five year old will eat cookies and candy for breakfast, lunch and dinner beause thats what they WANT. Yes, its fun and it tastes good for the shot term. But at the end of the day, when their stomach hurts and they are vommiting...they will hate cookies and candy and tell mom and dad they never wnt to eat them again. Mom and Dad will explain how a well balanced diet is better in every way and the child will agree and understand the better choice. Then the child wakes up in the morning feeling better and wants cookies and candy again.

 

[SpaceMountain77]

The people who applaud and cheer these decisions are very much stuck in a child like sate of thought. They just want something, and they want it NOW. A five year old will eat cookies and candy for breakfast, lunch and dinner beause thats what they WANT. Yes, its fun and it tastes good for the shot term. But at the end of the day, when their stomach hurts and they are vommiting...they will hate cookies and candy and tell mom and dad they never wnt to eat them again. Mom and Dad will explain how a well balanced diet is better in every way and the child will agree and understand the better choice. Then the child wakes up in the morning feeling better and wants cookies and candy again.

Who eats cookies when you can purchase a cupcake for $8.95?