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Guardians of the Galaxy coming to Energy Pavilion at Epcot
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That was debated but I believe it was dropped. For now anyway.
csmat99
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Yes, Guardians is very popular. James Gunn did a great job creating something new and refreshing and also be able to pull in most people who didn't know GotG. But that isn't the point. They could put star wars in future world but still doesn't fit and doesn't belong. I want original ideas something that the WDW hasn't had in decades.
DisneyJayL
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I'm not sure how it killed the original concept when the original never called for EPCOT to be a theme park.
flynnibus
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Until you actually look at the attraction... the only thing it shared with the Pavilion is 'hey, there's fish in here!'
Just because they share the same setting.. doesn't make the message or what they project the same. Just like Frozen being set in Scandinavia doesn't make it fit the message and projection that the WS Pavilion was about.
The Nemo attraction is 'hey, wheres Nemo' staring the cast of the movie.. and doesn't connect at all with The Living Seas pavilion. They didn't even TRY to tie the things together... which is why even after replacing the pavilions original attraction, its still all disjointed and people go 'hrm.. nice aquarium??' and not much else.
DisneyJayL
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I guess the original concept was never meant to be. That all got changed into a theme park that everyone on here is now complaining about for some odd reason.
The OP said EPCOT Center, not E.P.C.O.T. With respect.
Remember, in 1978 they though EPCOT Center could change the world.
Magenta Panther
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I take the accusations that Walt was an anti-Semite seriously, because anti-Semitism is an ugly thing.
I didn't say what I said to antagonize you. But we've got a generation of kids now who believe Walt was an anti-Semite, because of those jokes. I hope you weren't serious, but even if you were, well, now you know. He wasn't an anti-Semite. I enjoy reading your posts 99.9% of the time. But I just couldn't let that go by. Let's not derail the thread over this, though. Peace out.
bugsbunny
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If these rumors come to fruition, they might as well change EPCOT to Hollywood Studios. I mean just about every ride, except for TT and MS, will be tied to a movie or the attraction actually is a movie (Soarin). The concept of a "perpetual World's Fair" is fading and fading other than using that in an illusory fashion to sell finger food from country named kiosks. At this point, any permanent country without a ride is no more than a different strip mall that happens to serve overpriced alcohol 
Stripes
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@marni1971 Earlier you said that the plans also called for new stuff outside of Epcot, is that still a go? Also, is anything coming to World Showcase at all?
flynnibus
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Yeah, but at that point you can say they are committed to the concept and it's not just an idea being developed and evaluated. Its happening, just things may change along the way. I mean, they aren't going back at that point. Very different from ideas that are still being vetted and developed, but not yet committed to execution.
Just trying to understand if this is a concept that is in active execution, or a concept that has gotten a nod to be further developed, but is not yet green lit for 'build it'.
JasonDeyoung
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I'm ok with this, Ellen needed to go like 10 years ago. Would it be a complete new ride or just an overlay like frozen?
Yes.
MOXOMUMD
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bhg469
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It was a good movie, definitely not a mega franchise but it was pretty popular when it came out and it think the sequel will be good as well but I definitely think its a mere flash in the pan and using it as a permanent attraction is a mistake.
Princess Leia
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Okay, I know I'm pretty new here, but here's an idea to address the fading star of Future World:
Change it to Discovery World.
The idea of Future World is hard to maintain. Sure, Disney makes a ton of money, but any attraction would need to be constantly under renovation if they wanted to keep everything up to date with technology. By renaming it to Discovery World, you can talk about the past, present, and future. You can include sci-fi. You can keep the Seas (just add more fish to it). You can still teach people about agriculture. And, fingers crossed, you can still create a spark in their imagination (in all honesty, if we were talking about the future, the Imagination Pavilion seems out of place; not so in Discovery World).
Future World and Tomorrowland share the same problem of future tech happening faster than Disney can keep up with. This is where France initially got it right with Discoveryland.
I'm guessing that the GotG attraction will be announced at Comic Con next month, and then a rebranding of Epcot at next year's D23. And really, this couldn't be done fast enough. Since nothing has been done at Epcot, it's just been stuck as the park with festivals, alcohol, and outdated attractions. Meanwhile, MK, AK, and HS have all gotten some help (and I don't think they're finished at any of them tbh). I know everyone has their opinions on the IP being brought in (trust me, I read all 25 pages of comments), but in some cases, it can help. Do I think that a Stark Expo would fit better at Epcot than Guardians? Absolutely, but Universal is not about to give that property up (even though they don't really use Iron Man). What I think people have forgotten about GotG is that it was the 3rd highest grossing movie of 2014. It made close to $800 million at the box office. It was a wildly successful film (in terms of the MCU, it is the 5th most successful film, even outperforming Captain America: The Winter Soldier).
So while I think that they only picked GotG to replace Energy to get Marvel in the parks, I also think it's to bring about a new era of Discovery. I'm not 100% on board, but I am looking forward to seeing some new life in Epcot.
Change it to Discovery World.
The idea of Future World is hard to maintain. Sure, Disney makes a ton of money, but any attraction would need to be constantly under renovation if they wanted to keep everything up to date with technology. By renaming it to Discovery World, you can talk about the past, present, and future. You can include sci-fi. You can keep the Seas (just add more fish to it). You can still teach people about agriculture. And, fingers crossed, you can still create a spark in their imagination (in all honesty, if we were talking about the future, the Imagination Pavilion seems out of place; not so in Discovery World).
Future World and Tomorrowland share the same problem of future tech happening faster than Disney can keep up with. This is where France initially got it right with Discoveryland.
I'm guessing that the GotG attraction will be announced at Comic Con next month, and then a rebranding of Epcot at next year's D23. And really, this couldn't be done fast enough. Since nothing has been done at Epcot, it's just been stuck as the park with festivals, alcohol, and outdated attractions. Meanwhile, MK, AK, and HS have all gotten some help (and I don't think they're finished at any of them tbh). I know everyone has their opinions on the IP being brought in (trust me, I read all 25 pages of comments), but in some cases, it can help. Do I think that a Stark Expo would fit better at Epcot than Guardians? Absolutely, but Universal is not about to give that property up (even though they don't really use Iron Man). What I think people have forgotten about GotG is that it was the 3rd highest grossing movie of 2014. It made close to $800 million at the box office. It was a wildly successful film (in terms of the MCU, it is the 5th most successful film, even outperforming Captain America: The Winter Soldier).
So while I think that they only picked GotG to replace Energy to get Marvel in the parks, I also think it's to bring about a new era of Discovery. I'm not 100% on board, but I am looking forward to seeing some new life in Epcot.
bhg469
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Don't you mean Grooted in reality?
Donaldfan1934
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Definitely in agreement with your points. It may not be an idea the general public would turn down, but if this was leaked out to seek the approval of fans, then there was no point to do that. I can see how Tron may be a good fit, but aesthetically speaking, that's what TT 2.0 is. I heard that the TT redo was originally pitched to GM as a full on Tron ride, and while GM shot down that proposal, they wanted to keep the aesthetic. This is why GM sponsors both TT at Epcot and TLPR at SDL under their Chevrolet banner.Well I don't know if it's a dumb idea, I'm sure this would draw a crowd, but it just seems "bankrupt" to me more because of how "desperate" a move it seems to be... like "we to really really want people to come to Epcot, maybe popular comic book super heros will make people come to Epcot?"
If they are just going to cram an IP in Future World for attention, my vote would be for that new Tron Coaster. Even if they took the Tron name off of it, it at least looks like it's from a "World of The Future" and there's an elegance and sophistication to it that reminds me of 1980's EPCOT CENTER that the current Epcot is seriously lacking
But it terms of an attraction GOTG just seems like overkill to me, "Energy" is such a broad theme they could go in a lot of different directions with it. For example High School science classes go on roller coasters in amusement parks to teach kids about "kinetic energy", gravity, ect... I think a really cool roller coaster in the dark (which we never really got in WDW) could be made to fit the theme of Energy, Future World, and draw a crowd of both new comers and the Disney/Epcot faithful
I have no problem with them using their characters in their park, I think Nemo is not a bad fit "inside" the Living Seas, but I hate the cheap, sheet metal silhouettes, of the Nemo characters that they bolted over top the original Living Seas mural on the "outside" of the building... There is a way to do this stuff well
GOTG at Epcot just doesn't seem necessary to me, especially since the most popular things at the current Future World are the sensation of "flying over the The Land" with Soarin' and the sensation of "speed" at Test Track, it think GOTG would be better used elsewhere, because at Epcot the "less is more" philosophy seems to work best
jrogue
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If they used the screens for the current UOE pre-show and just ran this 24/7 I think I'd be ok... 
Think he'll be a meet and greet character?? 
But in all seriousness, GAH. I hope they do this well if they 100% go through with it. I love me some Ellen and Stupid Judy and will probably be one of the few who misses the ride, but I agree that area is long overdue for something new. Seriously, how did they let the WOL pavilion sit unused for so long??? That's just really sad. If they put GOTG I hope they can tie it into energy/life/science/THE FUTURE somehow and aren't just like SPACE ALIENS OMG FIGHTING HERE'S A ROLLER COASTER INFINITY GAUNTLET AVENGERS AAHHHH!
Think he'll be a meet and greet character??
But in all seriousness, GAH. I hope they do this well if they 100% go through with it. I love me some Ellen and Stupid Judy and will probably be one of the few who misses the ride, but I agree that area is long overdue for something new. Seriously, how did they let the WOL pavilion sit unused for so long??? That's just really sad. If they put GOTG I hope they can tie it into energy/life/science/THE FUTURE somehow and aren't just like SPACE ALIENS OMG FIGHTING HERE'S A ROLLER COASTER INFINITY GAUNTLET AVENGERS AAHHHH!
csmat99
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Fifth will be when they convert space ship earth to the death star
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