Guardians of the Galaxy coming to Energy Pavilion at Epcot

[ToTBellHop]

Someplace where a late 19th century manor isn't smack in the middle of Colonial America?

Yeah it's not the best example. At least Splash Mountain wasn't mentioned.

A good ride with poor placement is better than a bad ride with good placement. And before anyone thinks they are really clever, I agree that a good ride with good placement is best.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

So, name a location where Haunted Mansion would be better located? Or where Horizons "should" have been built. Or where POTC would fit better.

They used to build, (not refurb) great attractions AND in a proper area and setting. Not anymore.

HM would be cool over at DHS by ToT in the Old Hollywood area. You would have to re theme RNRC.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Frozen Ever After repeatedly being mentioned as a good attraction is one of the best examples of brand being more important than substance. It is a bad attraction. It has no purpose for existing and that lack of purpose carries through in the total lack of anything within the attraction itself. It barely has sets and its "impressive" animatronic figures are all off model with bad face lift faces and poor compliance.

 

[Matt_Black]

Frozen Ever After repeatedly being mentioned as a good attraction is one of the best examples of brand being more important than substance. It is a bad attraction. It has no purpose for existing and that lack of purpose carries through in the total lack of anything within the attraction itself. It barely has sets and its "impressive" animatronic figures are all off model with bad face lift faces and poor compliance.

Who peed in your Cheerios today?

 

[Cesar R M]

I, unfortunately, feel that Disney's reaction to WDW's attendance drop wouldn't be to stop and reevaluate shoehorning IP's innapropriately. I feel that it would encourage it. "People aren't coming = let's bring in Guardians of the Galaxy into Epcot ASAP".

and more price hikes plus paywalled events that forces you to doubledip.

 

[wdisney9000]

Yeah it's not the best example. At least Splash Mountain wasn't mentioned.

A good ride with poor placement is better than a bad ride with good placement. And before anyone thinks they are really clever, I agree that a good ride with good placement is best.

FEA is a bad ride, with bad placement. When I say bad, Im speaking in terms of comparing it to attractions that were built with higher standards, more complete theme and a cohesive story line and setting.

Disney, either intentionally or perhaps experimentally seems to be attempting a theme level of critical mass. A lack of actual theme is replaced with heavy reliance on brand over substance, (as @lazyboy97o so eloquently theorized). It is trumpeted as a victory by fans simply due to a desire of having said brand recognized in the parks coupled with modern societies appetite for gratification. FEA is a theme park incarnation of a person who is renting an apartment but drives a brand new $60,000 Corvette to give an impression of success. More money spent on outer appearance and recognition vs substance and balance. If any GoTG overlay follows the same principals, it does not bode well for the future of Epcot. But as the kool aid drinkers say, "lets wait and see"!!!

 

[tribbleorlfl]

So, name a location where Haunted Mansion would be better located? Or where Horizons "should" have been built. Or where POTC would fit better.

They used to build, (not refurb) great attractions AND in a proper area and setting. Not anymore.

Are you implying Maelstrom was a "great" attraction?

 

[wdisney9000]

Are you implying Maelstrom was a "great" attraction?

Maelstrom was not an overlay of an existing atteaction, and it was in a proper setting, had a cohesive storyline(sans the quick ending), substance, and was not designed Solely off brand reliability. Pound for pound, it had much more soul and purpose than FEA. Do I miss it? No. Was it "greater" than FEA, definitely.

 

[Andrew C]

Maelstrom was not an overlay of an existing atteaction, and it was in a proper setting, had a cohesive storyline(sans the quick ending), substance, and was not based Solely of brand reliability. Pound for pound, it had much more soul and purpose than FEA. Do I miss it? No. Was it "greater" than FEA, definitely.

The only thing that makes it greater than FEA is that it fits into the Norway pavilion and somewhat represented Norwegian culture. People get caught up in the nostalgia of it. The attraction was lame.

 

[lazyboy97o]

A really poor attraction is not made better because it replaced a poor attraction.

 

[wdisney9000]

The only thing that makes it greater than FEA is that it fits into the Norway pavilion and somewhat represented Norwegian culture. People get caught up in the nostalgia of it. The attraction was lame.

It's not about Frozen vs Maelstrom. It's about a more complete theme and design vs. absolute mimimum. What makes FEA less "lame"? Because it has Characters you recognize? That is nothing more than a Pavlovian response.

 

[Andrew C]

What makes FEA less "lame"?

From what I have seen, the ride-through looks better, the effects look better, the AAs looks better, the music is decent...even the story is better. I will reserve my full judgement however until I get a chance to experience it for myself rather than looking at a video

 

[wdisney9000]

Someplace where a late 19th century manor isn't smack in the middle of Colonial America?

But a fictional land of fantasy smack in the middle of a very real Norway is ok?

 

[wdisney9000]

From what I have seen, the ride-through looks better, the effects look better, the AAs looks better, the music is decent...even the story is better. I will reserve my full judgement however until I get a chance to experience it for myself rather than looking at a video

What story?

A snowman sings a song, a troll tells other trolls about a frozen heart, a snowman sings again, Anna and Kristoff ask "are you ready to see Elsa?" , Elsa sings, a Snow monster blows cold air at you, there is a party at a castle, and finally the snowman sings again but this time about summer. What is the storyline? It's just as disjointed as LM or Nemo

 

[Rodan75]

There are 2 whole threads dedicated to rehashing FEA...does that need to happen here too?

 

[Matt_Black]

But a fictional land of fantasy smack in the middle of a very real Norway is ok?

I'm pointing out that your holding today's WDW to a level that was never consistently implemented in the first place.

 

[THECARISMINE]

I don't really see all the hate on Frozen Ever After. I hate that it's in Epcot, but as far as a Fantasyland style dark ride goes, it's not a bad little boat ride. Even if said boats run on essentially the same track that they have for years, you can't play blind to the fact that Maelstrom needed an update. Preferably not on this subject, but it did need one. I wanted to completely hate it, but you can't knock it for being what it is, especially when it does what it does well.

Back on the main subject, when the rethemed attraction in question is in desperate need for a upgrade and/or suffers from extremely poor foot traffic in the first place, I find it extremely hard to jump on the bandwagon and grab my mouse ear handled pitchfork. They haven't even officially announced what's going to happen over here and we are already assuming the absolute worse, I mean I kinda doubt they can somehow turn a guardians story into a slow moving theater car ride so whatever it is that we get it will have to be at least somewhat original. That's not saying I'm blind to the upsetting turn the resort has been taking. This summer my family finally took a trip over to Universal for the very first time in our 20 years of vacations down to Disney since I was a kid. We were all completely blown away by how well everything has been done over there in comparison to the 'newer' spaces and offerings Disney came out with in the past few years. The whole experience was amazing and completely refreshing. Honestly, as someone has already said, the only way to show Disney that people in Florida want a return to more original and timeless attractions is to start spending our money elsewhere till things do change. I just really hope Avatar doesn't disappoint next year...

 

[Bocabear]

I'm pointing out that your holding today's WDW to a level that was never consistently implemented in the first place.

That is true in some ways...but more recently feels like sticking to theme has gone off the rails...which is why we are having the conversation in the first place... One of the things that makes it so strange is that there are viable really great alternatives for placement in every one of the lame-brained cases... Great Mickey Ride...Moves to the space occupied by Art Of Animation building and stands as the centerpiece icon to the world of toons... Toontown replaces the ultra lame Toy Storyland concept.
Guardians Of The Galaxy... Tomorrowland take out Laugh Floor and build new show building in the parking lot behind...Laugh Floor moves to DHS Pixar area where it belongs...Inside Out moves into Wonders Of Life as the new pavilion hosts... Seems so simple and everything thematically fits...

 

[marni1971]

The only thing that makes it greater than FEA is that it fits into the Norway pavilion and somewhat represented Norwegian culture. People get caught up in the nostalgia of it. The attraction was lame.

Doesn't fix the mistake of a location of FEA.

The Maelstrom refurb could have reduced your "lameness"

 

[Andrew C]

Doesn't fix the mistake of a location of FEA.

The Maelstrom refurb could have reduced your "lameness"

Oh. I don't disagree with that.