Matt_Black
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Non-traditional, certainly, but a welcome change from the scenery-chewing hams we've had in other films. Not that the hams are bad, mind you, but I thought Frozen handled the switch-up quite admirably.
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Frozen
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Non-traditional, certainly, but a welcome change from the scenery-chewing hams we've had in other films. Not that the hams are bad, mind you, but I thought Frozen handled the switch-up quite admirably.
Californian Elitist
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Right when the true (?) villain popped up, it seemed like the movie ended five minutes later, which was a letdown for me.
Californian Elitist
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Yes, I agree.
Matt_Black
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Well, the villain was an opportunist, taking advantage of the situations as they presented themselves. It was an absolutely brilliant touch that when the reveal came, there was a chess board right at the front of the scene.
Californian Elitist
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Yeah, I guess.
"Born with the powers or cursed?, Born"Facilier's powers come from dark Voodoo spirits called Loa. Loa is a Haitian Voodoo that is thousands of years old, and alters the characteristics of nature, or controls it. Dr. Facilier even resembles one of the spirits, Loa of the Dead, AKA Baron Samedi.
Not to mention we know of the talisman that holds Facilier's powers. If that breaks, he would no longer have power. We're given at least some background of Facilier. I'm just saying it's nice when a background is given, that's all.
That is all we need to know right there, Elsa's powers were very much a metaphor and many such as myself see the similarities between her struggle and many in the lgbt community. So for me I think it was quite intentional that on the writers part that we simply know Elsa was just born like that, nothing made her that way.
TomHendricks
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Anyone who thinks that Hans or the Duke are the villains of Frozen, didn't really understand the whole point to the movie. The true villain here is Elsa's fear and repression of her powers.
Bairstow
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Personally I see many similarities between her struggle and Bobby Drake's.
That or Dr. Manhattan.
Again gonna have to disagree, the real real villain of the film was Elsa's fear, but Han's motives weren't hidden or out of the blue, re watching the film freaked me out because the signs were there plus the duke was a good red herring.
That was the first time his darker intentions were known.
When asked if they should stay in the palace after getting married, he over-enthusiastically agrees.
Anna put Hans in charge when she left - he has complete control over all of Arendelle. If he wanted to free Elsa, nobody would have the power to stop him. Elsa doesn’t know he’s in charge so she asks him to tell “them” (the people she believes are running the kingdom while Anna is away) to let her go and he lies to her face.
The moment it all comes together for him before Anna arrives, realizing he has the entire kingdom where he wants it.
Bairstow
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Tony Perkis
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fractal
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Frozen is HUGE with the 12 year old girl crowd. I just realized this weekend how big it has become. My 12 year old daughter and her friends constantly listen to the songs - signing along and knowing every word.
As a good father, I've brought her up with the Great Disney movies (especially from the 90's), and have taken her to Princess and the Frog, Tangled, all the Pixars, and this movie by far has latched on to her and her peers. She told me that it is easily her favorite Disney movie, which surprised me.
As a good father, I've brought her up with the Great Disney movies (especially from the 90's), and have taken her to Princess and the Frog, Tangled, all the Pixars, and this movie by far has latched on to her and her peers. She told me that it is easily her favorite Disney movie, which surprised me.
RandomPrincess
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I like that there isn't a Big Bad in Frozen. Most people are never going to deal with someone trying to kill them or hold them captive. But fear of being who you truly are is something most people have experienced in their lives to some degree. Also most of the bad people you will come in contact with in your life are guys like Hans or Earl of Weasleton who are opportunists or only looking out for themselves, people who will steal etc. In a way it's more realistic and modern. Most people who will see this movie are not dealing with people like Maleficent or the Evil Queen in their lives, they are dealing with a smaller kind of bad.
Figments Friend
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Yes, and i am sure that this has a lot to do with why this film has seemed to have struck a chord with a lot of folks.
People ....many people....no matter what their age, can relate to that.
Matt_Black
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Yeah. I've seen people liking it to a coming out story, I've seen people say it's a parable for dealing with mental illness, as well as other readings, and none of them are wrong.
Magenta Panther
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"Hammy", they may be, but I bet nobody will ever build an entire film around Mother Gothel or Prince Hans. Why? Because they're lackluster props rather than memorable villains.
Figments Friend
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Yep. Folks are seeing the characters, Elsa especially, as a metaphor.
Her particular story has many movie goers relating to her situation, some probably on a personal level.
They are relating to it...reading into it...part of themselves which adds appeal to the story or characters.
I may not have seen the film...but i definitely get that vibe from those who have indeed seen it.
That phenomenon is something everyone has probably experienced at the movies...relating to a story or character on a deeper, more personal level.
Really brings the tale to life in unexpected ways.
SpectroMan93
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It's been almost a full two weeks since college has started back, and all I have heard on campus are people singing Let It Go together, listening to the soundtrack, or talking about the characters, namely Elsa and Olaf. I know it's been stated that this film is a hit with the 12 and under crowd, but I find it quite astonishing how it's taken my campus by storm, and I bet that it's not very much different on other college campuses. To strike a major chord with the 18+ crowd, who spend tons of cash on a regular basis, is very huge. Frozen has truly become a phenomenon, and it's amazing to see the spell it has cast everywhere I go. Shoot, even my Pandora is playing For The First Time in Forever right now, and a few minutes ago, it was playing Let It Go.
That's why I love this film so much, to me I see myself in Elsa and a bit of Anna, but importantly I identify with Elsa's struggles 100 percent, so much so I got a little emotional during this scene.
I mean its not like fans seem to dig him enough to make wonderfully extensive fan art posters..
