"Frozen" coming to Disneyland?

[CaptinEO]

Frozen would work beautifully in Disneyland's Fantasyland and I hope it moves forward. Keep in mind when you think about what Disney might be reserving for DisneylandForward that there is absolutely no plan for that area and everything they displayed was example material (a la thirdthemepark . com from way back in 2001) to get the city on board for the approvals.

Yes, people for some reason don't get that Disneyland Forward is a land zoning proposal and features concepts, not plans.

 

[mickEblu]

Also made an effort to ride all the FL dark rides on my last trip and I'd make a few edits to your ranking: Toad is first for sure for the same reasons you mention, plus I still find its design delightfully insane given how so much of it is simply flats (Toad Hall alone gives it first place for me). Snow is (maybe controversial) second for me; the changes they made really resonated with me and I think it's stronger now, naysayers be damned. Alice is a close third (miss the old outdoor section), followed by Pan in fourth (overrated and a little ruined by the enhancements) and Pinocchio in fifth.

I don’t disagree and I actually like most of the Snow White changes except for the infamous and terrible magic mirror breaking. For me it’s 4th because the other rides are stronger not because I think it’s bad. I actually think Snow Whits is better as a whole package than Peter Pan but the ride system and first three scenes take it over the top for me.

Back to Snow White, it’s much more on my radar now and I ride at least 2-3x as more than before. I like how rich the most of the scenes feel now. I wish it was a tad longer and that they found a way to keep some of the Forest but oh well. The witch in the boat under the bridge is maybe the biggest loss for me (aside from what the did to the exterior and Queens dungeon) as that was some pretty good staging. Now it’s a bridge with a magic mirror that breaks next to it?

 

[mickEblu]

Frozen would work beautifully in Disneyland's Fantasyland and I hope it moves forward. Keep in mind when you think about what Disney might be reserving for DisneylandForward that there is absolutely no plan for that area and everything they displayed was example material (a la thirdthemepark . com from way back in 2001) to get the city on board for the approvals.

Moves forward eh? Meaning it’s being discussed still? Lol

 

[mickEblu]

Except for the now-with-no-adventure Snow White ride being an improvement. Starting with the name: “Enchanted Wish” is the WORST name for a dark ride in the history of theme parks!!!! A wish is not a ride! What’s next— A redo of the Indy ride called “Indiana’s Robust Career Goals??????” Barf! Barf, I say!

I hated the name too and still think it’s bad but I have somehow gotten used to it. I never call it that though. It’s just Snow White.

 

[Rich T]

…Pinocchio is the worst Fantasyland dark ride and it's not close.

I like the ride because it does capture the darkness of the film, but it certainly has always felt a bit off. I think mickEblu’s “monotone“ description is an excellent point.

Here’s what has always irked me about that ride though: At the end, the Blue Fairy waves her wand and… Pinocchio’s still a puppet! And Jiminy’s flashing the gold badge he’s apparently received for completely, utterly failing at his job!

In the film, the Blue Fairy makes this deal with Pinocchio: “Prove yourself Brave, truthful and unselfish, and someday you will be a real boy.” What does that say about the ride’s ending?

They should use some enhanced film dialogue between Pinocchio and the fairy echoing through the workshop as you round the last turns:

”Am I a real boy?”

”No, Pinocchio. … … …. And you never will be.”

 

[Consumer]

Yes, people for some reason don't get that Disneyland Forward is a land zoning proposal and features concepts, not plans.

Disneyland Forward? I'm still waiting on the Eastern Gateway. A man can dream...

 

[mickEblu]

I like the ride because it does capture the darkness of the film, but it certainly has always felt a bit off. I think your “monotone“ description is an excellent point.

Here’s what has always irked me about that ride though: At the end, the Blue Fairy waves her wand and… Pinocchio’s still a puppet! And Jiminy’s flashing the gold badge he’s apparently received for completely, utterly failing at his job!

In the film, the Blue Fairy makes this deal with Pinocchio: “Prove yourself Brave, truthful and unselfish, and someday you will be a real boy.” What does that say about the ride’s ending?

They should use some enhanced film dialogue between Pinocchio and the fairy echoing through the workshop as you round the last turns:

”Am I a real boy?”

”No, Pinocchio. … … …. And you never will be.”

Hey that was my montone description. Haha

Honestly, it actually fits in to Disneyland. Not saying im the biggest fan of the movie but ice princesses in Norway is closer than most the junk they've been cramming into Disneyland the last 20 years.

I say this as someone who loves Star Wars too, but besides Star Tours which somehow was brilliantly integrated, it doesn't belong in Disneyland. Certainly not a Tatooine like marketplace/bar.

Marvel/Star Wars/Toy Story don't fit and I've had enough of them. I know Frozen was over played 10 years ago but I'll gladly take a Frozen ride over whatever else terrible property WDI would plan for otherwise.

I think a Frozen ride would be a very welcome addition to Fantasyland but it would be a little embarrassing for DL to get another boat ride before DCA gets one. I would just hope that it’s a nice village facade like @Consumer said and that it doesn’t come with a mini land or Elsa’s castle. Leave that for the inside of the attraction. Wouldn’t want a huge ice castle between the Matterhorn and IASW.

 

[J4546]

Disneyland Forward? I'm still waiting on the Eastern Gateway. A man can dream...

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if they bought and demo the hotel just north of pedestrian connector, they could run the monorail over there, give it a cool loop over the drop off area and build a station just past security as well. Adding a monorail station directly to/from parking and downtown disney/hotel area would be great.

 

[Rich T]

Hey that was my montone description. Haha

Fixed it!

 

[Brer Panther]

When Mr. Toad goes is when Pan and Alice and sizable portions of Fantasyland likely go as well. Unlike at MK Toad shares too much space with these other rides and would be very difficult to replace/gut without impacting the footprint of these other two dark rides.

Ah, but what's stopping them from tearing out Peter Pan and Alice in Wonderland too? Like @Californian Elitist said, nothing is safe with Bob Chapek and his team running the company.

Well, actually, I suppose Alice could be safe due to that Alice's Wonderland Bakery show on Disney Junior... but Peter Pan? They haven't done anything with that property since Jake and the Neverland Pirates, it features problematic elements... heck, they made Peter the bad guy in that Chip and Dale movie. If the live action remake flops, that'll probably give Disney an excuse to tear the ride out.

Toad is also not a property TWDC is presently distancing itself from as the Wind in the Willows is on Disney+.

Yeah, but it's also not a property Disney is actually doing anything with nowadays. I don't even know if Mr. Toad merchandise sells all that well.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Ah, but what's stopping them from tearing out Peter Pan and Alice in Wonderland too? Like @Californian Elitist said, nothing is safe with Bob Chapek and his team running the company.

Well, actually, I suppose Alice could be safe due to that Alice's Wonderland Bakery show on Disney Junior... but Peter Pan? They haven't done anything with that property since Jake and the Neverland Pirates, it features problematic elements... heck, they made Peter the bad guy in that Chip and Dale movie. If the live action remake flops, that'll probably give Disney an excuse to tear the ride out.

Yeah, but it's also not a property Disney is actually doing anything with nowadays. I don't even know if Mr. Toad merchandise sells all that well.

I don't know how you live with the stress all your whataboitisms cause you, my dude.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Ah, but what's stopping them from tearing out Peter Pan and Alice in Wonderland too? Like @Californian Elitist said, nothing is safe with Bob Chapek and his team running the company.

Well, actually, I suppose Alice could be safe due to that Alice's Wonderland Bakery show on Disney Junior... but Peter Pan? They haven't done anything with that property since Jake and the Neverland Pirates, it features problematic elements... heck, they made Peter the bad guy in that Chip and Dale movie. If the live action remake flops, that'll probably give Disney an excuse to tear the ride out.

Yeah, but it's also not a property Disney is actually doing anything with nowadays. I don't even know if Mr. Toad merchandise sells all that well.

No, I said nothing has ever been 100% safe in general. Things have been getting replaced since Walt was alive. You think everything at the park was there since 1955 when Chapek stepped into his position? The park had already gone through of various transformations by then, obviously. This didn’t start with Chapek.

Why are you even thinking about this anyway? Just enjoy what the park still offers. Speaking of that, have you ever even been to Disneyland and DCA? I don’t think I’ve ever seen any posts from you about actual DLR visits and specific experiences with rides, shows, restaurants, etc. All you seem to talk about is the removal of Splash and other general things. Are you a local? I’m genuinely curious.

 

[Brer Panther]

Speaking of that, have you ever even been to Disneyland and DCA?

Uh, actually no. I've been to Disney World and that's it. I just like talking about the Disney parks as a whole, which is why I frequent this thread.

Apologies for talking so much about the Splash Mountain retheme on here, but honestly, you can't tell me everything at Disneyland is considered replaceable and then say "Oh, but they'll never touch Mr. Toad." It strikes me as hypocritical.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Uh, actually no. I've been to Disney World and that's it. I just like talking about the Disney parks as a whole, which is why I frequent this thread.

Apologies for talking so much about the Splash Mountain retheme on here, but honestly, you can't tell me everything at Disneyland is considered replaceable and then say "Oh, but they'll never touch Mr. Toad." It strikes me as hypocritical.

I knew it. Given that you’ve never been here, not too sure why you’re concerned and why you’re so riled up about the happenings at our parks.

Everything is replaceable. This is a fact. The company has no intentions on letting things 100% be as they are, for the upteenth time. Never said they’ll never touch Toad.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Uh, actually no. I've been to Disney World and that's it. I just like talking about the Disney parks as a whole, which is why I frequent this thread.

Apologies for talking so much about the Splash Mountain retheme on here, but honestly, you can't tell me everything at Disneyland is considered replaceable and then say "Oh, but they'll never touch Mr. Toad." It strikes me as hypocritical.

It's way easier to change Splash than it is Toad. Unlike tacky, fugly WDW (sorry, not sorry), Disneyland's Fantasyland main hub is built like a little village, with interlocking themes. Alice's attractions, Toad, and Peter Pan are all interlaced on one side. Something as small as Toad couldn't accommodate a Frozen-scale attraction. Toad's attraction is also made to look like a literal mini Toad Hall from the film and Wind in the Willows book. Splash's overlay is just adding some lighting effects, adding different vegetation (both real and fake) and popping out some animatronics/ costuming old ones, and allowing New Orleans Square to bleed more into that part of the park. Whilst nothing is safe, it would be incredibly costly and difficult to retheme Toad. They would also have to block off the paths for construction in a narrow area. If you care about something, just ride it as much as you can and treasure it for what it is, instead of obsessing over what may or ma not happen.

 

[PiratesMansion]

...You mean we've spent over two years having these threads be conspiracy theoried and overtaken by nonsensical arguments by someone who's never even been to Disneyland?!?!?!?

 

[Californian Elitist]

...You mean we've spent over two years having these threads be conspiracy theoried and overtaken by nonsensical arguments by someone who's never even been to Disneyland?!?!?!?

Literally how I feel! Everyone is welcome to discuss the parks, but the fixation and sheer passion for a place one has never visited is strange to me, personally. Reminds me of when people who’d never been to France were wailing and weeping over the burning of Notre Dame (not that it wasn’t sad, but come on).

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

Ah, but what's stopping them from tearing out Peter Pan and Alice in Wonderland too? Like @Californian Elitist said, nothing is safe with Bob Chapek and his team running the company.

I think @Californian Elitist and @Dear Prudence already explained why it would be difficult to surgically implant a new dark ride in the Toad location but ultimately given the popularity of the IPs in Fantasyland to this day I don’t see any of this as likely.

If you’re asking me if I think we’re losing any of these Disneyland FL these dark rides in 2022 and the immediate future under the current CEO and board the answer is no. But I can’t see 20, 50, 100 years into the future. All I know is Bob Chapek loves IP and he loves using IP to drive the in park per guest spending. Last I checked Tinkerbell, Peter Pan, and Alice/Cheshire Cat/Mad Hatter all do fairly well in merch sales

Toad is surrounded by two enormously popular IPs, and is “popular enough” in the small space it occupies to not justify being turned into a character meet and greet or gift shop space (since that’s all it could really occupy) as TDA knows Disneyland fans would not welcome the loss in ride capacity for nothing.

I could have guessed Splash’s days were numbered 5 years given Iger’s skittish reaction to the franchise and even more so 3 years ago when it was confirmed the movie would not be placed on D+ with a content warning is when I knew for sure the company was done for good.

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

The Toad space is too small to replace it with anything that would be any kind of draw. No space for any additional queue.

Same reason why you won't see the oft-proposed Tiki Room Christmas show. The space would not be able to handle the demand.

 

[Consumer]

Literally how I feel! Everyone is welcome to discuss the parks, but the fixation and sheer passion for a place one has never visited is strange to me, personally. Reminds me of when people who’d never been to France were wailing and weeping over the burning of Notre Dame (not that it wasn’t sad, but come on).

Notre Dame is a piece of art significant to Western civilization. Damage to it is equivalent to damage to the Mona Lisa. You don’t need to have seen them or been there to know the historical and cultural loss that would be.