Disney Irish
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Mock all you want, but that is my opinion.
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"Frozen" coming to Disneyland?
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Consumer
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Obviously I cannot criticize the musical talent of Lin Manuel and his ability to write catchy tunes, but I found Encanto to be plagued with an unlikable protagonist, a rushed story, and an illogical conclusion. If Encanto ends up taking over Tarzan's Treehouse, so be it, but I don't see the appeal. That said, it was still better than Raya and the Last Dragon and I've not seen Wreck It Ralph 2, but I'm sure it was better than that, as well.I dunno, I thought Encanto was the last great Disney movie, but I guess YMMV.
In fact I would say that an Encanto themed area would fit just nicely in the Motor Boat area.
So just remember you heard it here first if this comes true.
Californian Elitist
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I haven’t seen Raya or Ralph 2 yet, but regarding your Encanto criticisms, I agree. There was a lot of buildup with no adequate conclusion to wrap the story up. It peaked and then it abruptly ended. I’m still unsure if I understand what the moral or lesson of the story is.
Phroobar
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That's kind of like arguing if Plan 9 from Outer Space or Manos the Hands of Fate was the better movie.
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Dear Prudence
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Raya was an absolute dud, Turning Red was spectacular, Encanto was cute, but tremendously disappointing. The first Ralph was so cute, I couldn't bring myself to watch the second one for fear it would be ruined.
Californian Elitist
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Raya didn’t look interesting to me from the trailers. Once I started hearing the reviews, I knew I would be in no rush to watch it. Same with Ralph 2. I can’t bring myself to watch it. I don’t think I’ll ever watch that one. Maybe I’ll watch Raya when I’m really bored. Haven’t seen Onward either, but I’ve heard it’s good. I’ll get around to it.
I love Turning Red. Would have loved to have seen it in theaters!
Dear Prudence
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I honestly like that whole area as a quiet place. A lot of mothers hang out there with their infants because it's cool and quiet. There are plenty of things in that area where guests can spend money on. Having shade people can relax in is more valuable than people realize, especially since the climate of SoCal is changing and Disneyland needs quiet places.
waltography
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Just gonna quietly drop the hot take that Frozen 2 > Frozen and back away slowly from this thread.
britain
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Encanto passes the bar for plot structure, a low bar when one considers that for most of musical theater history, plot is just an excuse to go from one song to another (it even is a house full of doors like the sets of most ensemble farces). And since the music is terrific, and the message is family-affirming, I call it a win.
But none of the other recent animated films are as good, in my opinion, even if the plots are more cleverly constructed.
Anyway, I just don’t care about Disney anymore. I’m going back to work listening to the Howl’s Moving Castle score again.
But none of the other recent animated films are as good, in my opinion, even if the plots are more cleverly constructed.
Anyway, I just don’t care about Disney anymore. I’m going back to work listening to the Howl’s Moving Castle score again.
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britain
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I actually think I might agree with you. It’s on stronger “hero’s journey” footing, rather than just being a subversion of a typical fairytale romance like the first one was.
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Dear Prudence
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I've heard that from MOST people, tbh.
Phroobar
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I agree Encanto was just an excuse to go from song to song but that is what most musicals are. I think that one ranks slightly higher than Xanadu.
Disney Irish
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Brer Panther
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Am I the only one who never liked Frozen? At all? I've always believed its success to be undeserved. It was nothing more than Disney attempting to repeat the success of Tangled, with Anna and Kristoff being blatant retreads of Rapunzel and Flynn and Sven being a desperate attempt at making another Maximus. I like Olaf and that's about it.
@BuzzedPotatoHead89 for one thing. @Rich T in this very thread. I distinctively remember more users claiming they'd never touch Mr. Toad on here.
Yes, I'm aware. My point exactly.
Dear Prudence
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Don't disrespect my Xanadu like that
Rich T
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Just like to point out that though I dearly love Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride, the only reason I think it’s currently safe from being Frozenized is for purely logistical reasons. It’s tiny and shares its structure with Alice In Wonderland’s top floor. If Toad goes, Alice goes.
Also, the only similarity between Sven and Maximus is that they’re large quadrupeds. Their personalities and story functions couldn’t be any more different. I like Frozen and dislike Tangled, BUT Maximus is one of the greatest animated characters of all time.
mickEblu
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I also think Frozen was Disneys last good movie or at least last movie that felt the closest to classic Disney. Might just be the European fairytale thing. I’d have Moana a couple notches below. I prefer PatF to them both but that could have something to do with my bias towards hand drawn animation and the setting from the film.
I really enjoyed Encanto but didn’t find it to be the best story and the ending was a little sloppy. The music was very catchy and it was just a colorful film which appeals to me in this white, beige and gray world we are living in.
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Rich T
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Stop that. Encanto is a fairly brilliant film (but I gotta say, like a lot of folks, I didn’t like it until a second viewing. Once you know nothing “exciting“ happens, you can just kick back and enjoy all the wonderful character work and the way every line of dialogue links, foreshadows and/or elaborates on what’s really going on with that family.)
And I saw Xanadu on Opening Day. Olivia Newton John was a wonderful performer, and ELO is one of my favorite bands, and Gene Kelly was possibly the greatest performer of all time, but Xanadu just… didn’t gel. I blame the script and the directorial choices.
You need to see more good musicals.
BuzzedPotatoHead89
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When Mr. Toad goes is when Pan and Alice and sizable portions of Fantasyland likely go as well. Unlike at MK Toad shares too much space with these other rides and would be very difficult to replace/gut without impacting the footprint of these other two dark rides.
If Toad sat on its own in a corner with precious real estate to use up I wouldn’t put it past Disney to replace it. But the DL version is a very small footprint and most modern dark rides simply wouldn’t fit on that parcel. At MK, Toad had the dual track model and did not share overlapping building space with another dark ride, hence it gave way to Pooh.
Toad is also not a property TWDC is presently distancing itself from as the Wind in the Willows is on Disney+.