From the OS: Gator drags child into Seven Seas Lagoon

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Jiggsawpuzzle35

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I don't see the point of the rope fence. Instead of standing in or on the edge of the water, now you are just standing 2 feet back from it. People will still probably go up to it or sit on the rope. And guess what, the alligator can still snatch you. The new warning signs look sufficient enough.
 

majortom1981

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I don't see the point of the rope fence. Instead of standing in or on the edge of the water, now you are just standing 2 feet back from it. People will still probably go up to it or sit on the rope. And guess what, the alligator can still snatch you. The new warning signs look sufficient enough.

There is less of a chance then if your in the water. This way to get into the water you have to actually go around the fence. Disney has to do enough to at least try to protect people
 

Incomudro

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I don't see the point of the rope fence. Instead of standing in or on the edge of the water, now you are just standing 2 feet back from it. People will still probably go up to it or sit on the rope. And guess what, the alligator can still snatch you. The new warning signs look sufficient enough.

The rope fence puts you a couple of feet back from a potential submerged and unseen gator.
Essentially, that's all you need.
The park doesn't need to protect guests from every possible scenario.
 

PhotoDave219

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You seem to be a rude and argumentative person. With absolutely nothing constructive to say.

But whatever floats your boat :).

No, I'm not big in the complaining to management when that complaint wouldn't change anything. I am venting here. Because it's a message board, and people can have opinions.

I just find it interesting that a guest Died in the most horrific fashion a guest can die in the Walt Disney World resort and your major complaint is a fence being put up at a resort.
 

ParentsOf4

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One way to think of the rope fence is as an extra reminder for Guests to stay away from the water's edge until Disney devises a long-term solution.

I think everyone understands that this rope fence is not going to stop people or alligators from crossing that barrier, but it does reinforce the point to Guests.
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
Because I think no one but nature was at fault for what happened?

Disney was complicit in that fault. All of the reports over the past few days of other families encountering alligators, reports to management being ignored, people feeding them from the bungalows at Poly and staffers concerns being dismissed....on and on...... The fence should have been put up long ago. If it bothers you though, you can always climb over it and take a dip...preferably late at night.
 

GoofGoof

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Yep, the fences are overkill. A nice sign letting people know there could be gators in the water is absolutely all that's needed. That and addressing any feeding issues.
I agree with this. I would take it a step further. In addition to the signs, at checkin each guest should receive a flyer or pamphlet explaining that swimming is not allowed in the lakes, not to even touch the water, there could be alligators in any body of water anywhere in Florida and anyone caught feeding the alligators will be removed from the property and asked not to come back (with no refunds). Then the fences aren't needed. Unfortunately once they put up a fence it will be difficult to remove due to liability purposes.
 

s8film40

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I agree with this. I would take it a step further. In addition to the signs, at checkin each guest should receive a flyer or pamphlet explaining that swimming is not allowed in the lakes, not to even touch the water, there could be alligators in any body of water anywhere in Florida and anyone caught feeding the alligators will be removed from the property and asked not to come back (with no refunds). Then the fences aren't needed. Unfortunately once they put up a fence it will be difficult to remove due to liability purposes.
Yep, and I would add to that since the bungalows seem to be an issue, that the document state that DVC members agree to forfeit their membership if caught feeding alligators.
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
We're not talking about a canal in some local municipality. Disney is a tourist destination attracting millions of people a year. It's amazing that reading through these threads - a lot of people have the "duh..its Florida..of course there are alligators" mentality.

People come to Disney from all over the world. Maybe the fact that "its Florida...of course they have alligators"....doesn't really resonate with everybody. The family from Madrid, Berlin, Beijing or Edmonton isn't really thinking "alligator" when they see a "no swimming" sign.
 

21stamps

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We're not talking about a canal in some local municipality. Disney is a tourist destination attracting millions of people a year. It's amazing that reading through these threads - a lot of people have the "duh..its Florida..of course there are alligators" mentality.

People come to Disney from all over the world. Maybe the fact that "its Florida...of course they have alligators"....doesn't really resonate with everybody. The family from Madrid, Berlin, Beijing or Edmonton isn't really thinking "alligator" when they see a "no swimming" sign.
Yes because international travelers only go to WDW. Never anywhere else in Florida, especially not Miami.

At the end of the day, as stated above, we're going in circles now. The fence is there. We're all protected from ourselves and our presumed inability to read the new signage. Disney is protected from liable.

We can all agree on one thing- say prayers for the family and the divers who found him. Hopefully they will be able to find peace after such an unimaginable loss.
 
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EngineJoe

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People routinely sun themselves on those grassy slopes all over property.

Also how about NYE at Epcot?

Yup all these people care about is the people at the GF. What about the people at yacht club, beach club, Epcot, Swan and dolphin, tom sawyers island, etc, etc. they don't care about us.
 

csmat99

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I just don't know whether having a boardwalk that runs along a known alligator pond is the best idea... While alligators can't fly, they can lunge up out of the water and someone on that boardwalk would still be at some risk, especially at night when the visitor wouldn't be able to see nearly as well as the alligator.
You are so right you just can't have a boardwalk at Disney that looks good and by water...hmmm

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GoofGoof

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Yup all these people care about is the people at the GF. What about the people at yacht club, beach club, Epcot, Swan and dolphin, tom sawyers island, etc, etc. they don't care about us.
I would guess yacht and beach club beach gets the same treatment along with the area of Bay Lake by CR. Basically any "beach" area where white sand meets water and the resorts offer things like lounge chairs for guests or movies on the beach. I don't think we will see fences around every body of water on property. They will probably just go with signs there warning of possible alligators. There is a distinction between a beach area advertised as available for guests vs an area where guests are not expected to be like a water retention area. For the beach areas Disney has a higher obligation to protect guests.
 

GoofGoof

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I just don't know whether having a boardwalk that runs along a known alligator pond is the best idea... While alligators can't fly, they can lunge up out of the water and someone on that boardwalk would still be at some risk, especially at night when the visitor wouldn't be able to see nearly as well as the alligator.
The intent of a boardwalk would be to keep people out of the water not keep the alligators in. Having a barrier of some sort at the waters edge whether it's a fence or boardwalk or something else will help keep people from entering the water. Splashing around in shallow water can attract unwanted attention. I think a ground level boardwalk is a more attractive way to create a barrier than just a fence.
 

R W B

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Looks like you're going to have to vacation somewhere else now that the rope fence has been put up..
I'll be staying at different resorts now, stayed at the poly a few times but the huts kinda ruined that view so we were thinking about other monorail resorts but I'm good now if any type of fencing stays.
No one is being punished.
Yea, we are kinda are. Everyone is having to deal with the recourse of this incident.

People who think the fence is temporary are in for a big surprise. Like the old saying goes you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. This horrible situation with the little boy happened, doesn't matter if it was freak accident Disney can't ignore it. Disney's lawyers will tell them they have no choice that fences have to stay. Who do you think told them to put these fences up so quickly. Makes me sick that people are saying it ruins their views. Then stay some place else. The fact you are quoting you pay 600+ a night for a room and shouldn't have to deal with a fence is selfish and in light of what happened to that boy disgusting.
Well it is MY vacation so yes, I will be selfish on MY vacation when it comes to spending MY money.

I do agree that the lawyers told them to do this though, future liabilty has something to do with it but they also wanna save face as much as possible right now too.
Some of you guys have gone batship crazy tonight. Way to keep it classy.

This thread has really shown people's true colors. Many people being of the selfish variety and caring more (in an angry fashion) that rope-fences are being constructed than the unfortunate reason they are being installed. Disney is a haven for lawsuits, they're going to take every precaution they need to.
Like I said last night, 12hours after this attack happened you know how many families and kids were having the time of their lives meeting a princess, riding thunder mountain or just walking down Main St USA, were those people being selfish because they still wanted to have a great time on their vacation? I'm sorry for the family, it's gotta hurt but I don't know them at all.

Some people really need to get a grip.
The only areas Disney is likely to alter are the beach areas where they meet the water.
Not all of the grassy slopes, and not along every stretch of water throughout the park system.
They only need to protect where beach meets water so that a guest strolling the shoreline won't get picked off by an ambush predator.
And no, they don't need to build gator proof or people proof barriers. That's not the idea,
Probably install rocks, or boardwalk, or small walls - possibly a combination of all three depending on where they are doing it, and according to the design aesthetics of the particular area.
Really?? Because attacks happen here all the time right? You act like this place hasn't been open almost 50yrs and this wasn't the first death. People getting ambushed, seriously? Id say hundreds of thousands of people have walked on that beach at night and this was the first of its kind.

I just find it interesting that a guest Died in the most horrific fashion a guest can die in the Walt Disney World resort and your major complaint is a fence being put up at a resort.
I don't, it was a horrific death for those involved but life goes on, people move on, especially those of us who weren't effected by this at all like most people posting here. Sure it may hit you as a parent but let's be honest, kids are killed everyday in this country in accidents but no one gets bent out of shape on that. If this family was on vacation but out side of Disney World and the same exact thing happen then this wouldn't even make the news. But since it was Disney it has to be a big deal and they have to show everyone that they are doing their best not to let this happen again so they have to over react. Guess we'll wait and see what the permanent solution will be.
 

EngineJoe

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Not sure if you are joking or serious. They won't be adding signs to the bathrooms. If an alligator did show up inside a resort or inside of a building at MK it would be a freak, unnatural occurrence. Gators in lakes in Florida are both natural and common, hence the need for signs and/or fences.

Being killed by an alligator is also a freak occurrence. Only 28 people have been killed by alligators in the entire United States in the last 40!years. 100 times less likely than being killed by being struck by lightning. And surely being killed by lightning is a freak occurrence.

Gators have been found by guests in adventure land bathrooms at the magic kingdom:
http://www.disboards.com/threads/pop-century-alligator-still-there.2411350/
 

Thebolt

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Well, you see - there was no such sign.
There was a no swimming sign, but nothing warning of not going down to the waters edge.
The whole set up was designed to bring you to the shoreline.

Splashing around at the waters edge is not swimming.
Like many people reading this; I could easily imagine my children behaving in the same way, and being more concerned about germs than wildlife.
 

R W B

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Being killed by an alligator is also a freak occurrence. Only 28 people have been killed by alligators in the entire United States in the last 40!years. 100 times less likely than being killed by being struck by lightning. And surely being killed by lightning is a freak occurrence.

Gators have been found by guests in adventure land bathrooms at the magic kingdom:
http://www.disboards.com/threads/pop-century-alligator-still-there.2411350/
Theirs no way a gator just walked into the bathroom by itself, someone had to put it in there lol. I can't see any reason for a gator to push open a bathroom door, if it was a kitchen door I could buy that but not a bathroom.
 
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