Buried20KLeague
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You got any more of them FP+'s??????
Oh okay...so @ford91exploder is just straight up fabricating things now. Good to know.None.
BTW Time/Money has picked up this story.... http://time.com/money/3478186/disney-toy-story-ride-reservations-lines/
Also (sorry for the double post), that article isn't really jiving with what folks are saying here, regarding this being a test in conjunction with the third track. Lots of "could be"'s and maybes in that article and not a lot of sources.None.
BTW Time/Money has picked up this story.... http://time.com/money/3478186/disney-toy-story-ride-reservations-lines/
With regard to Per Room Guest Spending (PRGS), Disney's plan appears to be to convert rooms to DVC.
With regard to Per Capita Guest Spending (PCGS), I tend to agree that Disney pushed too quickly on price increases from 2010-2013. It looks like the growth rate of PCGS is slowing down this year.
WDW prices are reaching a tipping point. In recent years, increases have far outpaced people's abilities to pay them.
Getting guests to spend even more on what they already receive (e.g. charging for FP+) is only going to boomerang. It will drive sufficient numbers away to largely offset any gains from potential FP+ upsells.
No, what WDW needs to do is attract more business (by adding new experiences) and improve guest satisfaction (by increasing ride capacity on existing popular attractions).
Only by investing in WDW is Disney going to improve WDW's financials.
I question the wisdom of this from a crowd control standpoint. As a cast member I worked operations/attractions and also in close proximity to some of the Magic Kingdom mountains. It's generally believed that a HUGE portion of a park's attendance are, at any given time, contained within the queue lines of the various attractions in a park. For an attraction that puts through 2,000 people an hour, with a wait of an hour long, that means theoretically there are 2,000 people standing inside the queue of that attraction (I say "theoretically" because FastPass messed those numbers around some).
On the rare occasion I witnessed, say, Thunder and Splash Mountain being evac'd and having their queues emptied at the same time (it sucks but it happens), you could tell the park almost couldn't handle the sudden addition of the several thousand guests being emptied into the walkways. If every major attraction were to switch to this "queue-less" system, and effectively turning the walkways of the park itself into the queue for the rides, I can't even imagine how much more crowded and insane the parks would feel. On busy days, there could potentially be thousands (or even tens of thousands) more people roaming around the outdoor areas of the park that would otherwise be in line for something. Factor that into how crowded the parks feel already, and I could see this causing quite the crowd control problem.
WDW would be an excellent place for 'Undercover Boss' to put Iger/Staggs/Rasulo as front line CM's for a week and see how the parks REALLY operate. Put em through an evac on SM, cleanup at Cosmic Ray's and crowd control at Wishes and FP duty at TSMM.
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BTW Time/Money has picked up this story.... http://time.com/money/3478186/disney-toy-story-ride-reservations-lines/
This is EXACTLY why Disney would never be able to get away with going FP+ only on attractions permanently. Not only did the Soarin' test fail miserably with guests and so far this one not much better, but when mainstream media starts giving bad press about it, you should maybe start to realize what you're doing isn't going to work.None.
BTW Time/Money has picked up this story.... http://time.com/money/3478186/disney-toy-story-ride-reservations-lines/
This is EXACTLY why Disney would never be able to get away with going FP+ only on attractions permanently. Not only did the Soarin' test fail miserably with guests and so far this one not much better, but when mainstream media starts giving bad press about it, you should maybe start to realize what you're doing isn't going to work.
They need to care about public opinion when it affects a park visit as drastically as this would...It depends on whether TDO cares about public opinion, Remember there was a business meme going around a few years ago about 'firing your customers' ie get rid of your least profitable customers. TDO to borrow a phrase seems 'stuck on stupid'. Day guests especially single day guests TDO considers their least profitable segment.
Most customer service businesses would have given up after the first day of chaos, Watch TDO 'extend' this test beyond tomorrow.
I'll say this for TDO they have what our Brit friends call 'bloody mindedness'.
They need to care about public opinion when it affects a park visit as drastically as this would...
This wittle thread has exploded nicely ... all I can (or care) to add is that this isn't a test for any sort of charging for FP+ in the future. It is all about moving guests through a FP+ only type environment in advance of them adding capacity to this attraction, which will then be a test as to whether to add the third theater for Soarin.
I wouldn't be ignorant enough to say that Disney will never charge for FP+ or for extras after a certain point etc ... only that it isn't something that they are looking to do in the near future.
Now, upcharge events and upcharge events inside other upcharge events? That's another story!
So you made it up. Gotcha. Press releases just don't disappear. It's especially hard to believe a Disney press release about a major change such as this was only noticed by one person before it was pulled.I can no longer find the press release I mentioned should have gotten a screen capture - my bad, Thanks for the link to story - Amazing 36 hours from board to mainstream media.
Hypothetically, what would happen if someone who had been on the boards for two days with less than 4 dozen post started to drop rumors that were positive? Would they be met with as wide open arms and acceptance as you have done?And this is not the FIRST rumor of FP's being chargeable in the forseeable future
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/...avatarland-and-starwarsland-are-built.880592/
Thanks for the confirmation.This wittle thread has exploded nicely ... all I can (or care) to add is that this isn't a test for any sort of charging for FP+ in the future. It is all about moving guests through a FP+ only type environment in advance of them adding capacity to this attraction, which will then be a test as to whether to add the third theater for Soarin.
I wouldn't be ignorant enough to say that Disney will never charge for FP+ or for extras after a certain point etc ... only that it isn't something that they are looking to do in the near future.
Now, upcharge events and upcharge events inside other upcharge events? That's another story!
After experiencing Express Pass, I would pay for something similar at WDW. That EP is like crack, bruh!
If they went through with this on all attractions, it WOULD start affecting the bottom line, and not in a good way.TDO cares for public opinion only when it affects the bottom line, If TDO had half as many customers paying say 30%-50% more than current customers but the gross margins increased from 16% to 28% they would be more than happy even if the NY Times had 'Disney Sucks' as the daily headline for a year.
As a result Iger would be the darling of Wall Street, Whilst Disney fans the world over cursed his name.
Also, let's not forget it's not even a test to move the entire attraction to FP only. It's a throughput test for the third track.If they went through with this on all attractions, it WOULD start affecting the bottom line, and not in a good way.
This is a pointless conversation anyway, this is simply a test. I'd be VERY surprised if they went ahead with this full time on any ride.
Exactly. The world is not ending.Also, let's not forget it's not even a test to move the entire attraction to FP only. It's a throughput test for the third track.
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