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Fourth Disneyland Hotel Officially Cancelled
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Old Mouseketeer
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I think it will be interesting to see what develops with Garden Grove. I could see some kind of combination of a mid-level resort with substantial DVC and amenities. Perhaps something like the family suites at Art of Animation resort. But it would have to have some kind of wow factor.
TeriofTerror
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Disneyland most definitely needs more DVC options. Getting a room at the 7 month mark is incredibly difficult. I love Disneyland, but the only way I can justify the travel hassle and expense is to stay DVC.
Disneyhead'71
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Down in Garden Grove, Disney should build a large highly themed water park surrounded by 3 resorts (1 value. 1 moderate/family suites, 1 DVC). On the 4th side a small dining/entertainment area over looking the water park.
Animaniac93-98
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Was there any truth to the rumour about a 4th, all DVC tower at DLH?
Old Mouseketeer
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But isn't that duplicating Big Bear Inn or Howling Dog Resort or whatever it's called, which would be practically next door?
I know, give it a Western Frontier Theme with fake snow, kind of like a Ski Lodge, and do an AA show with Bears! It could work.
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Old Mouseketeer
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There was talk of that going in the old Downtown Disney parking lot or kind of parallel to PPH.
But they still need a freaking master plan.
Darkbeer1
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Has Disney thought about it? Probably, but nothing is moving forward today.
Next year, the DVC group can make a new pitch with updated financials.
But they are just one of many possible ideas and will be competing with many others.
But nothing will be considered until 2019 at the earliest.
Maeryk
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Reading between the lines in the statement from Disney.. Anaheim isn't interested in working with Disney, so I wouldn't hold your breath, at least until something changes.
lazyboy97o
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More evidence that despite all of the cash they generate, Disney still does not like or understand theme parks. After decades of trying and billions of dollars spent, Disney still cannot figure out a way to get their costs under control and instead has seen the opposite happen, they have spiraled completely out of control. Even a vague, ugly hotel at the Disneyland Resort could have charged obscene prices and been another source of easy cash, but Disney doesn’t believe in the product and they don’t know how to justify the expense.
Old Mouseketeer
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It depends on what you mean by "working with Disney". I don't think even the current City Council majority is opposed to working with Disney on Resort Development. But I think both sides are waiting until after the dust settles from the election to attempt a reboot.
If Anaheim is smart, they will take a measured approach going forward and make it clear that they are willing to work with Disney in a positive way. Disney has signaled that they want to reset the relationship and I think that's healthy. Anaheim would be stupid to unreasonably limit Disney Resort development (in fact, they want more investment even though Disney asked to terminate the current agreements). Disney has the opportunity to be less heavy-handed in its approach. There is a lot of common ground to go forward, even if Disney doesn't get their rubber-stamp majority back.
The health of the Resort District depends on Disney continuing to invest and enhance it's properties, Anaheim encouraging smart investment like the four-star hotels, and everyone working to solve the infrastructure challenges (mostly traffic and parking). Let's not forget what a positive development establishing the Resort District was in advance of DCA/GCH/DTD opening. Harbor and Katella were widened and transformed into boulevards worthy of a world-class resort. Expansion and renovation of the Convention Center was a huge success. But everything is bursting at the seams.
Frankly, I think the idea of a third gate at the Toy Story Lot and K-Lot site is impossible. Even if they revive the Eastern Gateway and build after USCIS vacates, build a structure on the Harbor CM Lot and even a structure on a good chunk of Ball CM Lot, I just don't see the viability of a third gate in terms of Resort District infrastructure. If Anaheim were smart, they would reopen the four-star tax break and work a deal for Disney or someone to build a hotel fronting Harbor with Convention Center parking under/behind. That makes more sense than the West end of DTD.
And I think Disney was silly not to buy GardenWalk out of bankruptcy. And they need a freaking Master Plan.
TP2000
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Last spring the neighbor lady said to keep an eye on GardenWalk, because the TDA executive suite certainly is. I'm pretty sure I mentioned that comment six months ago or so after a particularly fruitful cocktail hour here in Villa Park.
As for your point about the Master Plan, I couldn't agree more. So many folks today don't realize that 25 years ago Disney was pumping out giant master plan concepts for the entire Anaheim Resort, and the property they owned was maxed out to great effect. You haven't seen a master plan like that since the late 1990's when the dim and depressing Paul Pressler era took hold. Pressler is gone, but the same small minded and visionless leaders apparently still exist in TDA in the 2010's.
Grand Master Plans from the 1990's like this just don't exist any more, because Burbank apparently doesn't think Disneyland will be around in 10 or 20 years.
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WEDwaydatamover
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Hurray!! I hate to be conspiratorial here but I wonder if they really intended build that resort. It seemed like a horrible fit.
Is there anything more profitable that could fit that footprint?
R.I.P Rainforest
Is there anything more profitable that could fit that footprint?
R.I.P Rainforest
Franklin47disneyguy
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They can build a new parking garage on the DTD lot, its roughly the same size as the Cleo structure. Then demo simba lot en paradise pier hotel and but two deluxe resorts there. After the two are finished demo Disneyland Hotel and DTD area where rainforest cafe and early sandwich are, would open up space for two other resorts. That way they can have 5 true deluxe hotels on property (Including DCH). Moving forward they should build an Eastern gateway (Including the bridge) but no parking structure. The land can sustain two hotels and a new transportation hub and a DTD area, so they can expand DCA in the old busarea. Toy Story lot can be used for a Cast parking & overflow parking structures and backstage buildings, maybe building a new Team Disney there. That would open up space for DL to expand behind Toontown. And start buying those crampy motels on Harber ASAP.
Ismael Flores
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Last spring the neighbor lady said to keep an eye on GardenWalk, because the TDA executive suite certainly is. I'm pretty sure I mentioned that comment six months ago or so after a particularly fruitful cocktail hour here in Villa Park.
As for your point about the Master Plan, I couldn't agree more. So many folks today don't realize that 25 years ago Disney was pumping out giant master plan concepts for the entire Anaheim Resort, and the property they owned was maxed out to great effect. You haven't seen a master plan like that since the late 1990's when the dim and depressing Paul Pressler era took hold. Pressler is gone, but the same small minded and visionless leaders apparently still exist in TDA in the 2010's.
Grand Master Plans from the 1990's like this just don't exist any more, because Burbank apparently doesn't think Disneyland will be around in 10 or 20 years.
I really wish they would study these plans, the location and layout of the hotels look so much better than the mismatch piece by piece ideas they have now.
Just look at how much better site lines would be now if the parking structure had been been in that far west length of property than how it is now.
not only that but their idea to build another structure right behind Paradise Pier hotel is probably one of the worst decisions. They will literally cut off a huge piece of prime real estate from the rest of the resort. This 1990 plan shows exactly how a parking structure can still be built at the back ends of the properties and then have room for a large themed hotel that even has a small pond. It would make the perfect spot for attracting the convention goer crowd.
A hotel that would be close to the parks but also walking distance from the convention. The area around the small lake and first floor of the hotel perfect for retail and dining. The perfect extension to DTD but without the hassle of it being right in the heart of the property.
Darkbeer1
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Sorry but the Disneyland Resort Specific Plan agreement with the city requires the Pummba structure at the Eastern Gateway to be built.
The city streets can only handle so many cars per hour, and much infrastructure was already built to get cars to/from the I 5 freeway to Pumbaa.
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lazyboy97o
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Master Plans requires leadership committed to a long term vision, not a revolving door of people with little to no experience.
Master Plans look beyond next year’s box office returns.
Stupid entertainment for stupid people shouldn’t be given so much thought.
Master Plans look beyond next year’s box office returns.
Stupid entertainment for stupid people shouldn’t be given so much thought.
Disney Irish
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Also after watching the Tuesday Council meeting, it appears the Resort Specific Plan also states the bridge over Harbor MUST be built along with that Pumbaa structure. So there is no way around it, the Harbor businesses have to eventually just accept the bridge. They can't really hold it up if its already in the Resort Specific Plan.
Old Mouseketeer
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Well, the Harbor Bridge is very much in Anaheim's interest. If Disney and the City will work together to come up with a revised plan with more carrot and less stick for the Harbor businesses, then we could see some movement. My one question is whether the on/off ramps to and from the I-5 South were engineered to handle the volume of traffic in and out Darkbeer, are you there?). They also need to add electronic signage on I-5 northbound to better direct visitors either to Toy Story Lot or Simba via Chapman, Orangewood, and Disney Way.
Writing this has prompted an epiphany on my part which I will continue in a new Master Plan thread here:
https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/new-dl-resort-master-plan-possibilities.950531/
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