Communicora
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I didn't realize "Here with the Ears" was caught up in the ban on outside tour guides.
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Florida Resident Disney Vloggers on YouTube
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Chip Chipperson
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What dopes. They killed their own channel because they got greedy and tried to make money inside the parks instead of being satisfied with whatever they got from YouTube and having "real" jobs if YouTube alone wasn't covering their bills. Now the only place they're allowed to go in WDW is whichever DVC resort(s) they have contracts for.
Indy_UK
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I don't feel sorry at all. They got greedy and decided to make more money off Disney as un-authorised tour guides and its has bitten them on the .
They may as well sell their DVC as what's the point in they've been trespassed from every other part of WDW.
Also, who on earth is going to use them as a travel agent if they are banned themselves?
Its all over for them
They may as well sell their DVC as what's the point in they've been trespassed from every other part of WDW.
Also, who on earth is going to use them as a travel agent if they are banned themselves?
Its all over for them
castlecake2.0
Well-Known Member
LOL “I’m trespassed from Walt Disney World but please use me to book your next Disney vacation”
Next up, vloggers. Technically breaking the terms of their admission by filming for commercial purposes. Disney has created their own problem here though because they love the free exposure. I’m guessing they’ll start with the more “troublesome” ones to teach the others to stay in the mouse’s good books
Chip Chipperson
Well-Known Member
Vloggers are safe as long as they don't create an issue or blatantly break rules like sneaking backstage or having meet-and-greets (or selling unauthorized tours). The vloggers who behave themselves are free advertising for Disney. They buy party tickets for multiple nights just to do food reviews and they help build up the hype when a new attraction opens, hence them being included in media previews. In general, they don't ruin other guests' experience in the parks.LOL “I’m trespassed from Walt Disney World but please use me to book your next Disney vacation”
Next up, vloggers. Technically breaking the terms of their admission by filming for commercial purposes. Disney has created their own problem here though because they love the free exposure. I’m guessing they’ll start with the more “troublesome” ones to teach the others to stay in the mouse’s good books
Prince-1
Well-Known Member
LOL “I’m trespassed from Walt Disney World but please use me to book your next Disney vacation”
Next up, vloggers. Technically breaking the terms of their admission by filming for commercial purposes. Disney has created their own problem here though because they love the free exposure. I’m guessing they’ll start with the more “troublesome” ones to teach the others to stay in the mouse’s good books
I do think vloggers are all pooping their pants wondering if they are next to have to visit guest services when they can't enter the park.
Phil12
Well-Known Member
Yes, they are indeed dopes. But at least they were smart enough to hire an attorney and smart enough to follow his/her advice in this matter.
That's a tough one. I didn't even realize they provided tours. I suspect they probably do more good for Disney, specifically with their room tours, than harm. But rules are still rules and can't be applied or not applied based on value to Disney. There are bad apples out there and it's easier to sweep up everyone than make individual cases.
I don't think a travel agent's trespass status should have anything to do with one's confidence in ability to be an agent. He likely has way more helpful knowledge from being in the parks so often compared to many agents living all over the country. Of course, that changes if the trespass isn't lifted after a year. But right now I'm trust him over some agent in another state that hadn't been to the parks in a while.
Vlogger decisions are not easy either. Yeah, they may not not be running tours but many push their own merch or a sponsor from the parks. Is it cool to be in parks pushing someone to RSVLTS or a specific travel agency or a sponsored scooter rental company? Like, where does one draw the line? Is it running a business to be in parks doing paid sponsorships or directing to one's merch shop? Does it change anything if sponsor statement is at a WDW park (business in the park) or done from home and placed into the video? The rabbit hole can be as deep wants to make it.
This.
mergatroid
Well-Known Member
It seems odd that he seems a very knowledgeable type of guy all things Disney (so much so he charges for tours) and yet he must not have been aware of Disney not allowing people conducting private tours for money? I mean how many of us aren't tour guides or vloggers and yet know this doesn't fly with Disney?
Alternatively he did know about this and yet made the conscious decision of "I don't agree with that rule, so I'm going to take a chance making money even though I know I'm not allowed to do that".
Never seen the guy before and he seems a really nice, polite type of person. Now he could be completely innocent, may have not known the rules or just decided "The rules don't apply to me". On the surface though, I have a gut feeling that he was in the wrong and did it anyway. Time will tell I suppose?
Colonel Angus
Active Member
I've only seen one vlogger in person and that was my trip last year. It was an English lady with her face stuffed in a phone attached to a gimbal. Her poor boyfriend was carrying all her junk and also guiding her through the crowd down the main drag in HS. Couldn't tell you who she is but it seemed unnecessarily dangerous and inconsiderate of others.Your "weirdo" comment reminded me of one a trip several years ago before I even knew about the vlogger thing. I inadvertently showed up in someone's vlog after getting my corndog at Disney Springs. I saw a man at a nearby table as I was walking to mine and I looked at him like he was a big gigantic weirdo for how he was talking to the camera while eating his corndog. I wonder who that was LOL. But I'm sure my facial expression was priceless
I do not think it should be illegal to take people around a park independently based on knowledge and advice that would not be breaking the rules while everyone has bought tickets and the "guide" has no special favors nor is sharing some personal benefit.
I could see a situation where a lot of people were selling DAS access and Disney just additional data to get rid of anyone that might be grouping random tours.
I could see a situation where a lot of people were selling DAS access and Disney just additional data to get rid of anyone that might be grouping random tours.
Colonel Angus
Active Member
It absolutely should as the information presented is not verified by parent company for one. Two, it’s already something Disney offers an at quite the premium cost. So, good money for them. The personal benefit for the bootleg guide is money… they don’t do it for free.
I mean the term bootleg itself comes from a time when manufacturing liquor was prohibited. So when people bought bootleg liquor all of the safeguards that previously legal manufacture had were no longer there. People were cutting bathtub gin with formaldehyde and the like. So, I’m not saying the bootleg tour guides were telling guests that Mickey Mouse invented the theme park or told children that Mickey and Minnie were actually first cousins or anything like that but Disney has to protect their brand because it’s worth a lot of money. Why do you think the plaid vests go through so much training and their services costs $800 an hour? It’s for a reason.
Ok then Disney needs to ban all vloggers giving advice not verified as presented for the company. And no it is not at all something Disney already offers at a premium cost. Again unless someone is illegally selling das whey are merely offering advice to take advantage of the current system just like touring plans would.
Colonel Angus
Active Member
I agree they should ban vloggers or regulate them by making them apply for and pay for a permit to film in the parks for commercial purposes. They have rules against it they just don’t enforce it because a lot of it is free marketing for them. This is why some vloggers get “hosted” or invited to media events. It’s a whole different ballgame than bootleg private park tours. I’m not sure how you’re not seeing this. It makes perfect sense and it’s easier to shift down than to silence YouTubers. Plus it would make them look bad to shut down the vloggers. But pirate tour guides? That’s pretty universally accepted as a “no-no”. Like bootleg taxis in other countries.
What do you mean it’s not something Disney already offers? It’s well known and right here: https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/events-tours/private-vip-tours/
Touringplans doesn’t personally escort you around the park acting as an expert. They’re a self-help guide not a private tour.
Colonel Angus
Active Member
Either you’re trying to mess with me or you simply don’t get it. I’m done. Get with the real world!
No you don't get it. These people are filling a demand for something that disney does not offer. Banning people for this as long as they are not abusing DAS doesn't make sense as those people at that price point aren't going to buy a VIP tour instead for way more money. There is no service disney offers that is just a guide and planning without priority access or backstage transport.
mergatroid
Well-Known Member
Disney's also a private company and can make the rules up of what goes on in their parks (to a degree). Disney has no knowledge of what information this private tour guide is giving either. He's not Disney trained so they don't even know whether he knows the rules of the park or health and safety aspects etc. People have a reliance on a tour guide be they official or not and it's human nature to see a person you're paying to almost be a figure of authority. Therefore if the tour guide says to them "See if you can touch an animatronic as you pass" or similar then they're more likely to do it than if they were on their own. This doesn't mean private guests don't do stupid things on their own or that those on a tour would, however it's a very real possibility and something to consider? A private tour from a random person will still be looked upon by the guest as something sanctioned, safe and approved. Again it's human nature to think that way as experiments have proven. If Disney don't know what this guy is saying to his guests or what he's suggesting to them then it's a possible problem for them at some point if anything happens to that guest, especially if they're aware of it.
Chip Chipperson
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Agreed. Also, we (and Disney) have no idea how many of these unauthorized tours actually are poaching customers away from the VIP Tours. People who feel lime they need a tour guide might not know that Disney offers that service. Obviously not everyone can afford that service, but there's a reason why Disney offers it at the price they do. And when Disney is learning of DAS abuse by some of these unauthorized guides then they can't waste time investigating every single one to figure out if they're one of the abusers. It's much quicker and easier to drop the hammer on everyone the catch offering those types of tours, especially since they are breaking Disney's rules either way.