EPCOT Figment, well, to be replaced by Figment

alphac2005

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Friendly reminder:

”Don’t believe everything on the internet” - Abraham Lincoln

The overwhelming majority of “insider information” is more a Figment of the Imagination than Tomorrow’s Child.
You're right As someone who's been on here since 2000, until construction takes place, we're stuck with the inferior Imagination attraction which has been in place far longer than the grand original. Expectations are zero until proven otherwise. We've had countless proclamations about the attraction over the years.
 

Moth

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So we’re right back where we started… fantastic. Honestly, along with the rumored minuscule budget, and that it keeps getting pushed back, I feel kinda close to giving up on this ride.
I wouldn't say exactly where we started.

Figment has a film project in development, is making out of park appearances in things like Dreamlight Valley and Speedstorm, and we're getting heck of a lot of merch for him along with him becoming a defacto mascot for EPCOT.

We're a bit further along and I'd say in relative terms this is the "endgame". What else can they really justify in Epcot over Imagination outside of SSE?

Just gotta sit tight longer before plans become more concrete.


Like I said before, this is a blessing in disguise. The longer they sit on it and let it cook, the better dish we get. Nobody wants a rushed SSE or Imagination. Or one that's constrained by people working on DAK and MK.
 

Streetway

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I wouldn't say exactly where we started.

Figment has a film project in development, is making out of park appearances in things like Dreamlight Valley and Speedstorm, and we're getting heck of a lot of merch for him along with him becoming a defacto mascot for EPCOT.

We're a bit further along and I'd say in relative terms this is the "endgame". What else can they really justify in Epcot over Imagination outside of SSE?

Just gotta sit tight longer before plans become more concrete.


Like I said before, this is a blessing in disguise. The longer they sit on it and let it cook, the better dish we get. Nobody wants a rushed SSE or Imagination. Or one that's constrained by people working on DAK and MK.
Yeah Ik it’s probably a blessing but idk I just have felt like we have been here before so many times. I have felt burned so many times with this kidna optimism, kinda weary of getting hopes up again with figment Yknow. Not saying you are wrong, just with how far away it is things can change so much, heck even look two three years ago! So I’m not saying you are wrong to think that, heck you probably are way more knowledgeable on this than me, but I’m just gonna not get my hopes up till the day it is announced. Hope this is understandable
 

eddie104

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Some new World Showcase additions, maybe featuring a magic Nanny or a Princess with glowing hair? An abandoned pavilion right next to their biggest E-Ticket?

Not saying they SHOULD leapfrog Imagination, just saying that they easily COULD.
I think at this point just to please the fans Imagination and SSE need to go down soon before or during more expansion of Epcot.
 

Moth

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Some new World Showcase additions, maybe featuring a magic Nanny or a Princess with glowing hair? An abandoned pavilion right next to their biggest E-Ticket?

Not saying they SHOULD leapfrog Imagination, just saying that they easily COULD.
Poppin's isn't happening and... do you mean Tangeled??? Where would that go in Epcot hm...

Wonders of Life is also valid yeah.
 

James Alucobond

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Some new World Showcase additions, maybe featuring a magic Nanny or a Princess with glowing hair? An abandoned pavilion right next to their biggest E-Ticket?

Not saying they SHOULD leapfrog Imagination, just saying that they easily COULD.
This. Imagination is definitely in the worst show shape in the entire park, but SSE is in the worst mechanical shape and capacity issues are dire enough to frequently overstress what we have, particularly in World Showcase.
 

Homemade Imagineering

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Figment has a film project in development
At the very least I wonder if we’ll get more concrete information on the film this D23. I’m a little bit concerned because I’ve seen so many parks film adaptations like this go quiet after many years. I’m no expert on how these processes go but I’ve got a feeling it’ll be a while before we get the film
 

Brer Oswald

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The fact that SSE would command a higher budget is worrisome to me. Either it means the Imagination update is so marginal that it might as well not happen at all, or the SSE update will be overkill (much like the proposal from 2019) and will fix things that aren't broken.

SSE definitely needs some TLC (and a proper descent scene), but I really don't want them to completely change it and ruin what I believe is Epcot's last truly great attraction. 2/3rds of the ride don't need their content changed. The ride will always be popular, and it's a great ride for surprising the typical cynics that find Disney to be "too childish".
 

Moth

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Even a Living Seas overhaul could potentially jump Imagination.
Wouldn't go  that far. Seas seems relatively solved... unless you want to entertain completely removing the live animal aspect.

I'd put more weight into The Land getting an overhaul versus Living Seas. Haven't heard anything but like, let's look at the numbers.

The Seas had Nemo open after 3.0

The Land had a new show, Soarin' open AND ger a new film.

Spaceship Earth got a redo.

Energy was torn down and turned into Guardians.

Test Track is getting two whole new versions.

Mission Space got a new film/Mission Green.

I know this is a dead horse but I feel that it's time Imagination got it's ticket called.
 

James Alucobond

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The fact that SSE would command a higher budget is worrisome to me. Either it means the Imagination update is so marginal that it might as well not happen at all, or the SSE update will be overkill (much like the proposal from 2019) and will fix things that aren't broken.

SSE definitely needs some TLC (and a proper descent scene), but I really don't want them to completely change it and ruin what I believe is Epcot's last truly great attraction. 2/3rds of the ride don't need their content changed. The ride will always be popular, and it's a great ride for surprising the typical cynics that find Disney to be "too childish".
I’m pretty sure anyone who’s said that it would be high cost has said that it’s because of the mechanical issues, not because they’d rip out everything that exists. Even in the storylight version, most scenes just looked like they were going to be plussed with projections.

Also, while I’m glad to a certain extent that the storylight version isn’t happening, the narrative does need to change a bit if they’re going to keep going in this direction with attractions throughout the park. Right now, it’s a thesis statement with a dwindling number of supporting arguments. If the re-framing is something along the lines of “how the human fascination with discovery, nature, and culture shapes the stories we tell” then SSE needs to do a better job of connecting those dots.
 

Brer Oswald

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I’m pretty sure anyone who’s said that it would be high cost has said that it’s because of the mechanical issues, not because they’d rip out everything that exists. Even in the storylight version, most scenes just looked like they were going to be plussed with projections.

Also, while I’m glad to a certain extent that the storylight version isn’t happening, the narrative does need to change a bit if they’re going to keep going in this direction with attractions throughout the park. Right now, it’s a thesis statement with a dwindling number of supporting arguments. If the re-framing is something along the lines of “how the human fascination with discovery, nature, and culture shapes the stories we tell” then SSE needs to do a better job of connecting those dots.
I'm sure by now they have realized that the Future World overhaul was a huge stinker. Everything outside of GOTG has been received mixed or poorly. I'd rather they not double down by changing SSE to match it, but if we know anything about modern Disney, it's that they LOVE to double down on bad ideas to prove a point.
 

James Alucobond

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I'm sure by now they have realized that the Future World overhaul was a huge stinker. Everything outside of GOTG has been received mixed or poorly. I'd rather they not double down by changing SSE to match it, but if we know anything about modern Disney, it's that they LOVE to double down on bad ideas to prove a point.
Regardless of the success of what little actually came from the overhaul, they’re not going to back down on IP being infused into the park’s attractions any time soon, so Spaceship Earth should probably address that in some capacity. That doesn’t mean that SSE actually needs IP intrusion itself, just that it should have a script that draws a connection between the generally real world-inspired front-of-house portion of each pavilion and its more fantastical Disney-inspired back-of-house within the attractions. Talking about the centrality of storytelling to the human experience and how the real world is a boundless source of inspiration and imagination seems like a decent compromise.
 

UNCgolf

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Wouldn't go  that far. Seas seems relatively solved... unless you want to entertain completely removing the live animal aspect.

I'd put more weight into The Land getting an overhaul versus Living Seas. Haven't heard anything but like, let's look at the numbers.

The Seas had Nemo open after 3.0

The Land had a new show, Soarin' open AND ger a new film.

Spaceship Earth got a redo.

Energy was torn down and turned into Guardians.

Test Track is getting two whole new versions.

Mission Space got a new film/Mission Green.

I know this is a dead horse but I feel that it's time Imagination got it's ticket called.

The Nemo attraction is awful and doesn't draw any guests, though. The interior also looks pretty dated, especially with the loss of the undersea base theme. Even the main aquarium tank looks relatively barren/empty compared to the past.

I'm not saying Seas should go before Imagination (it definitely shouldn't, especially if they were going to eliminate the aquarium), but it's not like Disney hasn't been putting off Imagination for years and years already.

The Land doesn't really need anything other than an interior refresh, although I suppose that could require closing the whole pavilion.
 

trainplane3

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I’m pretty sure anyone who’s said that it would be high cost has said that it’s because of the mechanical issues, not because they’d rip out everything that exists. Even in the storylight version, most scenes just looked like they were going to be plussed with projections.

Also, while I’m glad to a certain extent that the storylight version isn’t happening, the narrative does need to change a bit if they’re going to keep going in this direction with attractions throughout the park. Right now, it’s a thesis statement with a dwindling number of supporting arguments. If the re-framing is something along the lines of “how the human fascination with discovery, nature, and culture shapes the stories we tell” then SSE needs to do a better job of connecting those dots.
Add to the fact that SSE is bound to be a nightmare to work on and within. It's a unique building with extremely limited access. SSE having a higher budget makes sense. Just remember how long it would take to remove each ride vehicle (or just enough to allow them to access the problematic track sections).
 

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