Rumor Figment, well, to be replaced by Figment

Moth

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To be fair, the murals feature things like Horizons and the robot butler too.
Horizons Bar and Grill lingers in the shadows. Waiting to be unleashed.

Oh God, what if they kill Figment and that's what they use to save themselves?!

They were pretty far along with that stuff. If you dig around there’s public documentation on all the merch and their intended release dates (Q3 2021 iirc 😂)
WEW. Makes you wonder when they called it completely off.
Was anything actually installed?

Are there recent photos of what the inside looks like?
No recent images of the inside publicly (some people have seen the inside but are sworn to secrecy), but I remember people reporting testing was going on in there.
 

Haymarket2008

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#ANDNEW


Next on the chopping block is....

Not the character. The character isn't leaving.


I have it on good word that Imagination is next up after TT reopens. I don't know specifics outside of Figment still being apart of the pavilion.

SSE could like, still jump ahead. But Imagination is currently being looked at for development after TT is active.


We could be back.


I doubt Journey Into Imagination will be active until Tropical Americas and Beyond Big Thunder are done though. But you could see it go down once work starts on either or. I expect it to be up before Studio's work is done. (whatever it may be, that is something still in flux because it's prime real-estate)

But intentions are serious. But rest assured. Imagination and SSE are in good arms.


It's kinda sad that this is basically the original post just years later, huh? What else can you do...


This is also kinda the end of information I have that'd interest yall. The other stuff is more mundane/stuff that's scrapped.

Paging @PREMiERdrum
 

Moth

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Dwelling on it more, I think the timeline could be subject to change (because Disney Stuff) and timeline was just guessimating from what people In The Know have said here. I dunno, I have a headache.

Just don't expect Test Track 3 to reopen and then Imagination closes next day. Things may be more gradual.

Blah blah blah endgoal is 2032, we have time.


All I have that's solid is

-There's a plan.
-Figment is staying.
-Flip a coin on Dreamfinder.
-Will likely happen before SSE. Could happen after or overlap.
 

James Alucobond

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Horizons Bar and Grill lingers in the shadows. Waiting to be unleashed.

Oh God, what if they kill Figment and that's what they use to save themselves?!
*shrug* Just replace one of the restaurants in The Land with it. The name already works, and it could be set in Mesa Verde. If it comes with an interior refresh of the pavilion, all the better.
 

Disgruntled Walt

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Both Martin and (for those who remember him as another reputable source of info) Lee said years back that the turntable would never move again. I don't know if this means that construction crews during the V2 overhaul did something to permanently damage it and prevent it from ever being repaired with any reasonable sum of money (like concreting/welding it in place or some other destructive act), or if it just refers to there being an iron-clad agreement from everyone at Disney to never attempt to fix it. But either way, it doesn't seem like it will ever return. I just assume it would be deemed as either impossible, or too cost prohibitive to get it working again (probably more the latter because most things DO ultimately have a price tag, however difficult).

Repairing and re-extending the original longer track layout seems like it would be more feasible. At least i'd assume so, I don't really know for sure. I think there are still parts of the old track allegedly underneath the flooring of the queue/load areas. Not that I think this would be likely either, but it's probably more reasonable of a hope than the turntable working again.


I actually had pretty much the same basic ideas. Including recreating the Flight into Imagination scene via a standing preshow at the end of the queue right before load/unload. Basically what Dinosaur does with its preshow (or alternately, the double Haunted Mansion stretching rooms at WDW), but as a return of the original physical scene instead of a video.

Basically here's what I sketched up using Park Lore's layouts as a basis (thanks very much to them for providing these nice drawings)-

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Imageworks moves back upstairs where it belongs. The downstairs lobby is restored as closely as possible to its original bright pastel colored mural-adorned open space cyllindrical glory. A spiraling queue that also uses this freed up open space (going out on a limb here and assume that this ride would probably command much longer waits than what is there right now). At the end, a standing recreation of the Rise into the Clouds and Flight into Imagination scenes. That scene was approximately three and a half minutes, which is very similar to the runtime of other preshows like Dinosaur's. Double alternating theaters so the queue doesn't halt for too long (some lost capacity/efficiency is inevitable without the turntable sadly).

I've moved and consolidated the load and unload areas, freeing up space for other scenes. Load is now the entry into the Dreamport. There was also some extra space to expand the initial Dreamport ride scene, so I went ahead and used it. After that, most of the original ride should now be possible to recreate faithfully until the film reel tunnel and finale. This is why I consolidated and moved the load and unload further up the track, to free up some more space for a new finale based on the original. At unload, I sort of just came up with a purpleish/blue prismatic exit tunnel, not unlike the rainbow one upstairs but with colors that more closely reflect the downstairs lobby and Figment/Dreamfinder. At the end of that, I threw Disney a (undeserved) bone since they love their giftshops. Whatever incentive it takes to get the ride done right and actualy keep it around.

Guess this belongs in the armchair section, but eh.
This looks fantastic. Well done.
 

Streetway

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Streetway

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and I also hope this isn’t like a super budget cut version like discussed before. I wouldn’t be against a dreamfinder-less figment, as long as it is GOOD
 

dreamfinding

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The Space restaurant?

Was gonna be Horizons: Bar and Grill. Hilarious idea. I got shown some art over a call with someone and we laughed for a solid five minutes. If it was revealed the forums would be split on its the death of Epcot or the best call back ever.

I’ve got to ask: was it actually going to be called Horizons: Bar and Grill? I don’t know if this is better or worse than the rumored projection Kitchen Kabaret/Awesome Planet.
 

Moth

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I’ve got to ask: was it actually going to be called Horizons: Bar and Grill? I don’t know if this is better or worse than the rumored projection Kitchen Kabaret/Awesome Planet.
Nah, that was the gist I saw.

Also the Kitchen Kabaret thing was a CGI version of the original show, just in the space occupied by Awesome Planet currently.
 

dreamfinding

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Nah, that was the gist I saw.

Also the Kitchen Kabaret thing was a CGI version of the original show, just in the space occupied by Awesome Planet currently.
Ah, thanks for the clarification on KK.

FWIW, I feel like awesome planet is underrated and fits the space well.
 

PREMiERdrum

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I don't want to contradict @Moth's reporting here, but my folks are far less confident in anything substantial. There seem to have been several proposals, from a full rework to a narrative redressing. Nothing funded to my knowledge.

Unfortunately, the c-suite does in fact view EPCOT as "done" for this cycle. The TestTrack project is its own thing, as GM wanted a rework to better align with their own corporate vision. (Fun fact: At least some fabrication for the refurb is taking place at the tech center in MI).

The sticking point remains Spaceship Earth.. which could use the updated script, projection effects, and descent enhancement as planned pre-COVID, but the ride system needs an amount of work that is alarmingly close to being considered cost prohibitive to current management. IF new dollars come to EPCOT, SE will almost certainly soak up the bulk of them. We could see a JIYIWF redressing in the next decade, but I'd recommend tempering expectations.
 

Homemade Imagineering

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I’d imagine there’s gotta be something for Epcot this D23, and I feel like the only two candidates at this point are JII & SSE. Obv we’ll get more information on TT 3.0 but IF there is to be anything else I can’t imagine it won’t be either SSE or JII. I suppose WoL is a possibility too but they seem pretty content leaving that empty for a few more years
 

Moth

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I don't want to contradict @Moth's reporting here, but my folks are far less confident in anything substantial. There seem to have been several proposals, from a full rework to a narrative redressing. Nothing funded to my knowledge.

Unfortunately, the c-suite does in fact view EPCOT as "done" for this cycle. The TestTrack project is its own thing, as GM wanted a rework to better align with their own corporate vision. (Fun fact: At least some fabrication for the refurb is taking place at the tech center in MI).

The sticking point remains Spaceship Earth.. which could use the updated script, projection effects, and descent enhancement as planned pre-COVID, but the ride system needs an amount of work that is alarmingly close to being considered cost prohibitive to current management. IF new dollars come to EPCOT, SE will almost certainly soak up the bulk of them. We could see a JIYIWF redressing in the next decade, but I'd recommend tempering expectations.

This about lines up with what I've heard.

There's no funds anywhere yet and SSE and Imagination will fight each other to see who goes first, SSE budget will be higher than Imagination's, and they're plainly indecisive what to even do outside of "figment is in the ride" because I've heard best case scenarios to the afformentioned "current ride with Dreamfinder over Channing".

The current plans on paper is that, prior to 2032, Imagination and SSE will get work and get make overs to be pretty for the 50th.

There's just been a lot of people yelling "FIRE" on social media over Inside Out 2 taking over Imagination so I had it reaffirmed Imagination is on the radar (after other stuff in other parks is done (BBTTM and DAK stuff)) and everyone's beloved little royal purple pigmented reptile is sticking around.

The rundown is: it's not happening anytime soon, I doubt EPCOT is getting much this D23 outside of Test Track, but maybe next D23 the first in line will get announced. All that's going around right now in my spheres are "figment is sticking around" "disney wants a sponsor for SSE" and "both will be redone in due time".

Just gotta sit tight for another 2-3 years. But they're chipping away at the list of stuff that needs to be done in WDW property wide before those two get their number called. But rest assured, by the end of the 2020s, our purple friend is gonna (likely) be in better shape.

That might be a disappointment to some that SSE and Imagination have to wait til MK and DAK get done before they start hammering out more concrete plans, but would you rather those two be a victim of things being stretched thin? The 17~ bil WDW is receiving is for the next decade anyway.
 

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