FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[Touchdown]

I don't either - I'm a woodcarver/painter (not houses or walls) and my husband installs floors.

I’m sorry you’ve experienced that, you would think people who provide tangible assets to a society would get more respect.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I’m sorry you’ve experienced that, you would think people who provide tangible assets to a society would get more respect.

You really would.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Used to be you could get hired for a skilled trade job and you would get trained on the job. The railroad taught my dad everything he knows about boilers. Today, no company wants to train you they just want to hire/poach you after someone else does the training.

I’ve had so many people ask me what college to go to in order to work with Steam locomotives... I just tell them move to Strasburg and apply for a job. They’ll teach you everything you need to know! (Or Tennessee Valley, Durango, etc.)

 

[dreday3]

My husband installs floors...and he's REALLY good at what he does and has been doing it for 20+ years. Most flooring companies around here treat their installers like garbage and don't pay nearly what they should.

ETA: And good luck finding one that has a real 401k or retirement plan.

I will say people don't appreciate what he does - they think they can do it themselves. Our landlord asked him to repaint/patch the building's front stairwell (two-flat). Sloped ceilings, high ceilings, many cuts/corners. Plus fix plaster work in front vestibule.

The amount he offered to pay was almost insulting. We negotiated a bit higher, but still less than half off what he would normally be paid. But it's the landlord, what can you do?

Perhaps we should negotiate to be paid in fast passes!

 

[EeyoreFan#24]

FYI, the Reedy Creek Improvement District publishes a "Comprehensive Plan" every 10 years.

Also, this is very interesting read so far. I had not seen this doc from RCID before. Thanks for the link. Looks like July 2020 was time for Plan 2030, it will be interesting to see what has developed. (I'll be here all week folks!)

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Gosh I hope not when resorts have been doing it this way for years long before we took notice here at Disney.

If anything Disney is catching up to the rest of resort travel not setting the standard if you look at the overall market over the past years

I’m not saying they can’t do anything…they can and will

people made empty threats on parking fees…

they’re making empty threats on magical express

they’ll make empty threats on resort fees (quite ingenious there…can pay to offset some of the IT cost of the upsell fast passes)

It will all be done…doesn’t mean it should

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don't either - I'm a woodcarver/painter (not houses or walls) and my husband installs floors.

Is your business “cougar’s carvings” by chance?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What do you think the minimum wage should be then? Sincerely curious.

No answer…because when you raise the minimum wage, the “supply side” is always 3 steps ahead to get after it.

gene Roddenberry is the only one that had it figured out

 

[DisneyMusician2]

No answer…because when you raise the minimum wage, the “supply side” is always 3 steps ahead to get after it.

gene Roddenberry is the only one that had it figured out.

Love this

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

We are desperately in need of plumbers, electricians, carpenters and other skilled positions. Now it takes training to become one of those but college/office jobs are t the only options out there.

Those jobs were stigmatized decades ago as “inferior” to an elementary Ed or marketing degree…

…but you are right.

 

[Tom P.]

No answer…because when you raise the minimum wage, the “supply side” is always 3 steps ahead to get after it.

gene Roddenberry is the only one that had it figured out

In Star Trek, it took a combination of World War III and the invention of replicators to achieve that economy.

I don't want to pull this thread too far afield, but it *is* relevant to the question of staffing at Disney. So if you don't think there is a "good" answer to what the minimum wage should be, then what do you do about it? If society is agreed there needs to be some kind of floor on wages, you have to pick a number. The only other alternative is to not have a minimum wage. (Though I do think a strong argument could be made for there being no *federal* minimum wage and the minimum wage being set by states and even cities, since costs are so different from one place to the next.)

 

[DisneyMusician2]

I’m not saying they can’t do anything…they can and will

people made empty threats on parking fees…

they’re making empty threats on magical express

they’ll make empty threats on resort fees (quite ingenious there…can pay to offset some of the IT cost of the upsell fast passes)

It will all be done…doesn’t mean it should

Should is in the eye of the beholder and the financial team, but I get your point. Philosophically perhaps, but the industry has been shifting this way for years to offer higher overheads. I don’t love it but it also doesn’t detract from my enjoyment of the parks.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

In Star Trek, it took a combination of World War III and the invention of replicators to achieve that economy.

I don't want to pull this thread too far afield, but it *is* relevant to the question of staffing at Disney. So if you don't think there is a "good" answer to what the minimum wage should be, then what do you do about it? If society is agreed there needs to be some kind of floor on wages, you have to pick a number. The only other alternative is to not have a minimum wage. (Though I do think a strong argument could be made for there being no *federal* minimum wage and the minimum wage being set by states and even cities, since costs are so different from one place to the next.)

Oh I know…I intentionally left out the nuclear holocaust and advanced technology we’ll never see parts

and to answer the serious part: to take the hit on overhead and pay the staff slightly above industry standards…which they did until the early 90’s…

not a lot…just a little.

if nametagging provided livable pay with no exorbitant education bill and a path to retirement…you’d have no problems.

instead they fell for the “Florida model”…expecting banks and government programs to fill the gap and not make it unmanageable.

 

[DisneyMusician2]

In Star Trek, it took a combination of World War III and the invention of replicators to achieve that economy.

I don't want to pull this thread too far afield, but it *is* relevant to the question of staffing at Disney. So if you don't think there is a "good" answer to what the minimum wage should be, then what do you do about it? If society is agreed there needs to be some kind of floor on wages, you have to pick a number. The only other alternative is to not have a minimum wage. (Though I do think a strong argument could be made for there being no *federal* minimum wage and the minimum wage being set by states and even cities, since costs are so different from one place to the next.)

I really enjoy the Star Trek turn this is taking…it also took an understanding that we weren’t going to allow people to suffer when they didn’t have to as a society which we certainly haven’t gotten to yet the way we see good and evil everywhere…

There is merit to the state minimum wage being the way to go, but I also believe that the idea small business would disappear is a fear based idea we put out there. Perhaps even a different wage scale for seasonal employees and career employees would be helpful to make a real distinction and make sure constant are controllable but allow for proper staffing and living.

My understanding of the housing issues near Orlando for CMs are that it is getting bad and is adding to many of the issues we are discussing.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Is your business “cougar’s carvings” by chance?

Nope.

I did post some of my stuff in the crafts thread, though.

 

[Tom P.]

I really enjoy the Star Trek turn this is taking…it also took an understanding that we weren’t going to allow people to suffer when they didn’t have to as a society which we certainly haven’t gotten to yet the way we see good and evil everywhere…

There is merit to the state minimum wage being the way to go, but I also believe that the idea small business would disappear is a fear based idea we put out there. Perhaps even a different wage scale for seasonal employees and career employees would be helpful to make a real distinction and make sure constant are controllable but allow for proper staffing and living.

My understanding of the housing issues near Orlando for CMs are that it is getting bad and is adding to many of the issues we are discussing.

There are lots of factors that went into achieving the Federation's economy in Star Trek. And no doubt, what you say about a shift in attitudes was an important part of that. But I don't think it's possible to underestimate the role that replicator technology played in making all that possible. Replicators literally created a post-scarcity environment where there is no competition for resources. That is the deus ex machina that made all of the other wonderful sounding stuff about the evolution of humanity possible. Without it, the economy Trek depicts doesn't work.

I think it's worth pointing out that in the original Star Trek, when there were no replicators, there was plenty of talk about money. Kirk talks about how much money Starfleet has invested in Spock. There is reference to earning one's pay for the week. Heck, we even see people buying stuff. Only when you get to TNG and the replicator society is money truly gone from the picture.

 

[flynnibus]

It should be really easy to fill all of those positions with quality candidates then

That's just it (as discussed in ANOTHER thread) - labor conditions right now are not just based on pay. The labor pool itself has shifted.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Oh we are totally off the path now

 

[flynnibus]

I’ve had so many people ask me what college to go to in order to work with Steam locomotives... I just tell them move to Strasburg and apply for a job. They’ll teach you everything you need to know! (Or Tennessee Valley, Durango, etc.)

But then you'd expect them to work lower wages as starting jobs... how dare you... They want their kids,cars,house,etc on any job's pay.

 

[ParentsOf4]

Please, no more minimum wage debate.