FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[dreday3]

What if...

They allow some set of Premier Access passes to be purchased ahead of time, reserving some for 'day of' as well? For those of us who like to plan (and pay) ahead of time, it would be similar to the way FP+ is now. Perhaps some freebies as well for staying on property. It would help those of us who don't like the uncertainty of 'game day' (figuring stuff out on the fly in the park) but also allow those who want to be spontaneous (non-planners) to vie for the the other Premier passes or do the standby options?

If has to be done, do it this way. (is my vote)

 

[IanDLBZF]

Here ya go

Ahhh....
This was advertising the evening and morning extended hours and nothing more.

 

[phillip9698]

Those making minimum wage (or lower) represent only 2.3% of the entire workforce. Only about 1% of full-time workers make the minimum wage. Those who are under 25 make up about 1/5th of the workforce, but 50% of those making minimum wage.

So, yeah, the minimum wage kinda is for the young high school and college kids, the part-timers, and those in very entry-level jobs. Very few people are trying to make a career or support a family in a minimum wage job.

1st off if the minimum wage is 7.25 and you make 8.00, yeah I'm gonna count that as a minimum wage job.

2nd no the minimum wage was not supposed to be for high schoolers it was created so every working person would earn enough to not be in poverty. Just because big business has fooled people into thinking it's only for high schoolers doesn't mean it's the truth. Again if these jobs are for kids, why are they operating during hours when kids are not available to work?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What if...

They allow some set of Premier Access passes to be purchased ahead of time, reserving some for 'day of' as well? For those of us who like to plan (and pay) ahead of time, it would be similar to the way FP+ is now. Perhaps some freebies as well for staying on property. It would help those of us who don't like the uncertainty of 'game day' (figuring stuff out on the fly in the park) but also allow those who want to be spontaneous (non-planners) to vie for the the other Premier passes or do the standby options?

That would lower the potential revenue - my guess - by taking away the stress of heat/crowds from the decision to purchase something you don’t need…under duress of course.

if your management is Walmart grade hacks….they stock the Mountain Dew isle at all costs

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Ahhh....
This was advertising the evening and morning extended hours and nothing more.

Yes…but pay attention to the wording…

it indicates that you get something “they” don’t. And things will be easier for YOU

do you think a high percentage of DVC wants to pay for line skips?

go to the old key west pool tomorrow and do a poll and then report back to me.

coincidence on timing…I’m sure. They let this be known 6 weeks ago without Email “carrot”

 

[Tom P.]

I would argue that doesn't hold true for housekeeping positions. Those are usually working moms or dads trying to support their family.

Do I think everyone should be making what I or you make after years of schooling and on the job experience? Of course not.

That is probably true of housekeeping positions. But, then again, Disney is offering them $16 per hour, which is nearly double Florida's current minimum wage. That equates to $33,280 per year. And if you think the minimum that someone should be able to earn at any job is more than $33k per year, then we're just never going to see eye-to-eye.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Those making minimum wage (or lower) represent only 2.3% of the entire workforce. Only about 1% of full-time workers make the minimum wage. Those who are under 25 make up about 1/5th of the workforce, but 50% of those making minimum wage.

So, yeah, the minimum wage kinda is for the young high school and college kids, the part-timers, and those in very entry-level jobs. Very few people are trying to make a career or support a family in a minimum wage job.

The minimum wage/poverty line is horribly out of whack…hasn’t been properly paced for decades.

that kills your math

 

[Touchdown]

Well, when you do away with manufacturing jobs by either automating or outsourcing, and people don't want to pay artisans and craftsmen like they used to...

There are only so many jobs in an office environment available.

We are desperately in need of plumbers, electricians, carpenters and other skilled positions. Now it takes training to become one of those but college/office jobs are t the only options out there.

 

[dreday3]

That is probably true of housekeeping positions. But, then again, Disney is offering them $16 per hour, which is nearly double Florida's current minimum wage. That equates to $33,280 per year. And if you think the minimum that someone should be able to earn at any job is more than $33k per year, then we're just never going to see eye-to-eye.

I didn't say that - I don't really know what constitutes a livable earning at this point. I claim ignorance on that. I just said if prices increase to meet that, I don't mind paying them. (when I can)

 

[Tom P.]

The minimum wage/poverty line is horribly out of whack…hasn’t been properly paced for decades.

that kills your math

What do you think the minimum wage should be then? Sincerely curious.

 

[Tom P.]

I didn't say that. I just said if prices increase to meet that, I don't mind paying them. (when I can)

Sorry, I was using a generic "you," meaning those who think that housekeeping staff are still being paid some sort of poverty wages at WDW.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

But, then again, Disney is offering them $16 per hour, which is nearly double Florida's current minimum wage.

It should be really easy to fill all of those positions with quality candidates then

 

[ImperfectPixie]

We are desperately in need of plumbers, electricians, carpenters and other skilled positions. Now it takes training to become one of those but college/office jobs are t the only options out there.

Would you want to be in one of those positions when they are among those that are sneered at and whom people never want to pay what they're worth?

I was including them under craftsmen...it takes time to get good at those jobs and generally one must enter the field young.

ETA: People sneer at them because it doesn't require a college degree to enter those fields. Lord knows when we became so snobby, but it drives me up the wall.

 

[dreday3]

Would you want to be in one of those positions when they are among those that are sneered at and whom people never want to pay what they're worth?

I was including them under craftsmen...it takes time to get good at those jobs and generally one must enter the field young.

Not trying to argue, but my guy is a craftsman (painter) and he's paid decent now, started out decent back then. I wouldn't put them in the same category.

Of course his work dropped off dramatically with Covid, but that's neither here nor there...

 

[Tom P.]

It should be really easy to fill all of those positions with quality candidates then

I think it normally would be, except that we are in the midst of a labor shortage nationwide and virtually all companies are begging people to come work for them. But I still think Disney will be successfully staffed back up before too long. I think their labor shortage is temporary. Which is why I said in another thread that I expect to see the hotel inventory that they have been holding back released by Fall.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Not trying to argue, but my guy is a craftsman (painter) and he's paid decent now, started out decent back then. I wouldn't put them in the same category.

Of course his work dropped of dramatically with Covid, but that's neither here nor there...

My husband installs floors...and he's REALLY good at what he does and has been doing it for 20+ years. Most flooring companies around here treat their installers like garbage and don't pay nearly what they should.

ETA: And good luck finding one that has a real 401k or retirement plan.

 

[DisneyMusician2]

I think it means it’s hard to say “everyone is doing it” when you are notorious for setting the standard of upcharge for your rooms?

Gosh I hope not when resorts have been doing it this way for years long before we took notice here at Disney.

If anything Disney is catching up to the rest of resort travel not setting the standard if you look at the overall market over the past years

 

[phillip9698]

We are desperately in need of plumbers, electricians, carpenters and other skilled positions. Now it takes training to become one of those but college/office jobs are t the only options out there.

Used to be you could get hired for a skilled trade job and you would get trained on the job. The railroad taught my dad everything he knows about boilers. Today, no company wants to train you they just want to hire/poach you after someone else does the training.

 

[Touchdown]

Would you want to be in one of those positions when they are among those that are sneered at and whom people never want to pay what they're worth?

I was including them under craftsmen...it takes time to get good at those jobs and generally one must enter the field young.

ETA: People sneer at them because it doesn't require a college degree to enter those fields. Lord knows when we became so snobby, but it drives me up the wall.

I certainly do not sneer at them, and very much value the skills they have. It seems like the only people in my area are aging boomers, we seriously need to fund more of these craftsmen before their skills die with them.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I certainly do not sneer at them, and very much value the skills they have. It seems like the only people in my area are aging boomers, we seriously need to fund more of these craftsmen before their skills die with them.

I don't either - I'm a woodcarver/painter (not houses or walls) and my husband installs floors.