FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[Trauma]

Good! GOOD!

More ammunition for WDI to tell Operations that they can’t skimp on maintenance.

I expect quality will improve because of this alleged change. There will be a much more direct link between an attraction’s popularity (or lack thereof OR failure to live up to its hype) and the money it brings in.

I’m not sure Cheapek even knows what WDI is.

 

[Trauma]

What happens now? You wait an hour and a half then your photo is blurry? If you cause enough of a fuss they let you ride again. That's partly why FP queues remain in operation now - service recovery.

Ok but when I don’t have to pay extra to ride my level of causing a fuss would be much higher.

If you just payed $150 for the family to ride you will be much more likely to be fussy.

 

[LittleBuford]

Ok but when I don’t have to pay extra to ride my level of causing a fuss would be much higher.

If you just payed $150 for the family to ride you will be much more likely to be fussy.

There are many things to be concerned about with the new system, but this isn’t one of them. The CMs are always super accommodating when you tell them you’ve had a bad ride experience (and you don’t have to cause a fuss).

 

[jpinkc]

Good! GOOD!

More ammunition for WDI to tell Operations that they can’t skimp on maintenance.

I expect quality will improve because of this alleged change. There will be a much more direct link between an attraction’s popularity (or lack thereof OR failure to live up to its hype) and the money it brings in.

I dont know about that, look at all the entertainment that has been taken out of epcot pavilions over the years. Street performers in UK, Lumberjacks in Canada and more. They can say they will up things like that, kinda like the new main street theater jn MK that never happened

 

[dovetail65]

Of course there will be far fewer. That’s the whole point of dynamic pricing.

If every guest buys 3 Access Passes per day… so you think a family of 4 will pay $40-$80 for a Small World FP? $40-$80 for a BATB FP?
Pay $120-$240 extra for 1 e-ticket and 2 meaningless FPs?

no… once you attach an extra cost, demand goes down. That’s the whole point of paid FP.

First I would nto call it dynamic pricing, not sure where you are getting that , they are not changing the price as the day goes on like uber or Lyft, not that I ever heard. People would go nuts if they paid a different price than someone else. , And yes a family of 4 sure will pay that for your proposed bundle because they they dont know better or heck they like those rides. I have seen those at 75 minutes many times.

Only 25% of people in the park have been there before or know what's what. Have you ever talked to people in line, 3 out of 4 times the guests next to us have never been to WDW and want to know what ride to go on, they have no plan. I thought wow use the internet much. I have had to talk people into going to Ak and their teenage kids arguing not wanting to go until I had the mom Google Fop and show the kids.. Next day we we were in line with the mom(she met us alone) and the kids showed up the kids ended up thanking me over and over talkign them into going to AK at least to Fop. Two of their kids never did get to Ak and then I never saw them again. My point is most people wont know where to use Fp what to use it on.We are here on this forum, most people believe it or not drop 15K and have no clue how to approach going to the parks at all.


I also dont think WDW will even do bundles, it doesn't look like Paris is offering bundles come August. Apparently it's becasue of the complaints about DPA from the guests at Disney China. I read today it appears Disney is hiding or at least donwplaying those Chinese DPA complaints, that indicates to me maybe WDW is in for this DPA.

The entire point of paid FP is to bring in more money, not to shorten lines. Disney can sell more FP until the FP lines are more full than standby lines if they wanted to. One "glitch" in the system, they make an additional 10 million and tell us all sorry won't happen again.

I am burned out on he FP talk, we can't control it and we all will deal wit it in our own way. I am sureIL just pay, as I said once you go FP you dotn go back, I cant. In a couple years we will see how it plays out, anything will work for a couple months.

 

[aaronml]

I also dont think WDW will even do bundles, it doesn't look like Paris is offering bundles come August. Apparently it's becasue of the complaints about DPA from the guests at Disney China. I read today it appears Disney is hiding or at least donwplaying those Chinese DPA complaints, that indicates to me maybe WDW is in for this DPA.

Where did you read this?

 

[dovetail65]

Where did you read this?

Then Disneyland Paris is introducing Disney Premier Access, a pay-per-use option. For €8-15 per guest per attraction, visitors can get access to a dedicated queue for several major attractions at the resort:

• Autopia
• Big Thunder Mountain
• Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast
• Peter Pan's Flight
• Star Tours: The Adventures Continue
• Star Wars Hyperspace Mountain
• Ratatouille: L'Aventure Totalement Toquée de Rémy (at Walt Disney Studios Park)
• The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror (at Walt Disney Studios Park)

Each guest may purchase only one Premier Access at a time and Disney notes that "purchasing a Disney Premier Access gives you fast access to the attraction you choose, but does not guarantee immediate access."

It does seem the price can vary by season possibly even by day, I guess that is dynamic pricing in way like hotels are priced more at certain times, so I seem to be wrong on that, but the price won't change price within the same day,"

Here are a couple links , there are a few out there. I will find the one that mentions dissatisfaction in China.There are like 20 article to go through can't remember which link it was:

https://.com/2021/07/confirmed-disn...ces-paid-disney-premier-access-for-8e-a-ride/

Disneyland Paris Replaces FastPass With a Pay-Per-Ride Service

"Disney Premier Access" charges €8 to €15 per ride; Standby Pass added for select virtual queues.

gizmodo.com

 

[aaronml]

Then Disneyland Paris is introducing Disney Premier Access, a pay-per-use option. For €8-15 per guest per attraction, visitors can get access to a dedicated queue for several major attractions at the resort:

• Autopia
• Big Thunder Mountain
• Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast
• Peter Pan's Flight
• Star Tours: The Adventures Continue
• Star Wars Hyperspace Mountain
• Ratatouille: L'Aventure Totalement Toquée de Rémy (at Walt Disney Studios Park)
• The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror (at Walt Disney Studios Park)

Each guest may purchase only one Premier Access at a time and Disney notes that "purchasing a Disney Premier Access gives you fast access to the attraction you choose, but does not guarantee immediate access."

It does seem the price can vary by season possibly even by day, I guess that is dynamic pricing in way like hotels are priced more at certain times, so I seem to be wrong on that, but the price won't change price within the same day,"

Here is one link , there are a few out there:

https://*****.com/2021/07/confirmed...ces-paid-disney-premier-access-for-8e-a-ride/

Disneyland Paris Replaces FastPass With a Pay-Per-Ride Service

"Disney Premier Access" charges €8 to €15 per ride; Standby Pass added for select virtual queues.

gizmodo.com

I don’t see anything in that article about guests complaining about DPA at SHDL.

 

[dovetail65]

I don’t see anything in that article about guests complaining about DPA at SHDL.

There are over 20 articles on this right now I can't remember(find) which one it's, out there though I read it today. I want to say it was a UK or Japanese website(I check the different countries using my VPN) I can find it, but its only as accurate as the author.

I think someone else already posted the differences between Paris and China possibly from the same article and bundles were the main difference.

The complaint stemmed from the bundles they offered or certain bundle running out or to that effect.

 

[dovetail65]

I just read Disneyland Shanghai had or had regular free fast pass AND DPA and because of that the author thinks it is one of the better systems. If they had that this at WDW I could live with that. I could at least get my free fastpass for first part of day like in Disneyland Shanghai. Author even says many days you can get through without using DPA.

Anyone know if that is still the case?

I read it here but it an older article I can't find a date on it.

While Shanghai Disneyland doesn’t charge for their digital Fastpass system, they do have several premium options to pay for fastpasses called Disney Premier Access. Essentially you can either pay for a single ride or buy a bundle that includes multiple rides for a slight discount. The option is presented in the app and Disney really tries to upsell you later in the day when the regular fastpasses are gone.

Disney Hacks Guide to Shanghai Disneyland Fastpass & What to Avoid!

A detailed look and review of the Shanghai Disneyland fastpass system including a cool perk you get for free & how they they try to upsell you.

disneyhacks.com

 

[nickys]

Then Disneyland Paris is introducing Disney Premier Access, a pay-per-use option. For €8-15 per guest per attraction, visitors can get access to a dedicated queue for several major attractions at the resort:

• Autopia
• Big Thunder Mountain
• Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast
• Peter Pan's Flight
• Star Tours: The Adventures Continue
• Star Wars Hyperspace Mountain
• Ratatouille: L'Aventure Totalement Toquée de Rémy (at Walt Disney Studios Park)
• The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror (at Walt Disney Studios Park)

Each guest may purchase only one Premier Access at a time and Disney notes that "purchasing a Disney Premier Access gives you fast access to the attraction you choose, but does not guarantee immediate access."

It does seem the price can vary by season possibly even by day, I guess that is dynamic pricing in way like hotels are priced more at certain times, so I seem to be wrong on that, but the price won't change price within the same day,"

Here are a couple links , there are a few out there. I will find the one that mentions dissatisfaction in China.There are like 20 article to go through can't remember which link it was:

https://*****.com/2021/07/confirmed...ces-paid-disney-premier-access-for-8e-a-ride/

Disneyland Paris Replaces FastPass With a Pay-Per-Ride Service

"Disney Premier Access" charges €8 to €15 per ride; Standby Pass added for select virtual queues.

gizmodo.com

I believe the varying price is according to season, not dynamic pricing. That is according to the DLP Blog, which I believe is official.

 

[nickys]

I just read Disneyland Shanghai had or had regular free fast pass AND DPA and because of that the author thinks it is one of the better systems. If they had that this at WDW I could live with that. I could at least get my free fastpass for first part of day like in Disneyland Shanghai. Author even says many days you can get through without using DPA.

Anyone know if that is still the case?

I read it here but it an older article I can't find a date on it.

While Shanghai Disneyland doesn’t charge for their digital Fastpass system, they do have several premium options to pay for fastpasses called Disney Premier Access. Essentially you can either pay for a single ride or buy a bundle that includes multiple rides for a slight discount. The option is presented in the app and Disney really tries to upsell you later in the day when the regular fastpasses are gone.

Disney Hacks Guide to Shanghai Disneyland Fastpass & What to Avoid!

A detailed look and review of the Shanghai Disneyland fastpass system including a cool perk you get for free & how they they try to upsell you.

disneyhacks.com

I don’t believe that is current. Pretty sure Shanghai removed the free fastpasses after re-opening. There is nothing on the official website about them, just Premier Access and Standby Passes.

Also I doubt he has been to China since the park re-opened.

And I just found a blog mickey article saying free fastpasses were removed after re-opening in July 2020.

 

[dovetail65]

I don’t believe that is current. Pretty sure Shanghai removed the free fastpasses after re-opening. There is nothing on the official website about them, just Premier Access and Standby Passes.

Also I doubt he has been to China since the park re-opened.

And I just found a blog mickey article saying free fastpasses were removed after re-opening in July 2020.

That what I figured.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Interesting read from Joshua Harris, who was a Designer for Disney:

I’m sure someone who worked for Disney and was able to visit anytime he wanted knew all about planning that Disney vacation and trying to experience all you could in a few days.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Of course there will be far fewer. That’s the whole point of dynamic pricing.

If every guest buys 3 Access Passes per day… so you think a family of 4 will pay $40-$80 for a Small World FP? $40-$80 for a BATB FP?
Pay $120-$240 extra for 1 e-ticket and 2 meaningless FPs?

no… once you attach an extra cost, demand goes down. That’s the whole point of paid FP.

and then gate clicks go down because families paying so much already to get in and experience Disney may not be able to experience as much now

 

[havoc315]

First I would nto call it dynamic pricing, not sure where you are getting that , they are not changing the price as the day goes on like uber or Lyft, not that I ever heard.

Yes, that’s exactly what they are doing. Read the literature. In Shanghai, it’s dynamic pricing

People would go nuts if they paid a different price than someone else. , And yes a family of 4 sure will pay that for your proposed bundle because they they dont know better or heck they like those rides. I have seen those at 75 minutes many times.

You’ve seen a 75 minute wait for Beauty and the Beast?!?!!

Only 25% of people in the park have been there before or know what's what.

It’s more then 25%. But you said it’s going to be the same number of fast passes. So you are saying 100% of guests will buy 3 access passes. So YOU would pay $20 to get a FP to a walk-on attraction?!?

Have you ever talked to people in line, 3 out of 4 times the guests next to us have never been to WDW and want to know what ride to go on, they have no plan.

But they aren’t stupid enough to pay $80 for their family to get a FP to the Muppet show.

Not every guest at WDW buys every add-on. Plenty of people DON’T purchase After-Hour tickets, plenty of people DON’T purchase park hoppers, and plenty of people WON’T pay an extra $2,000 for DPA.

I thought wow use the internet much. I have had to talk people into going to Ak and their teenage kids arguing not wanting to go until I had the mom Google Fop and show the kids.. Next day we we were in line with the mom(she met us alone) and the kids showed up the kids ended up thanking me over and over talkign them into going to AK at least to Fop. Two of their kids never did get to Ak and then I never saw them again. My point is most people wont know where to use Fp what to use it on.We are here on this forum, most people believe it or not drop 15K and have no clue how to approach going to the parks at all.



I also dont think WDW will even do bundles, it doesn't look like Paris is offering bundles come August. Apparently it's becasue of the complaints about DPA from the guests at Disney China. I read today it appears Disney is hiding or at least donwplaying those Chinese DPA complaints, that indicates to me maybe WDW is in for this DPA.

The entire point of paid FP is to bring in more money, not to shorten lines. Disney can sell more FP until the FP lines are more full than standby lines if they wanted to. One "glitch" in the system, they make an additional 10 million and tell us all sorry won't happen again.

I am burned out on he FP talk, we can't control it and we all will deal wit it in our own way. I am sureIL just pay, as I said once you go FP you dotn go back, I cant. In a couple years we will see how it plays out, anything will work for a couple months.

 

[ParentsOf4]

Might be misunderstanding but isn’t there a strong possibility that the “inventory” that used to be set aside for fastpass will be less simply because there’s less demand - because it’s no longer a free option? Standby will be used more, and therefore lines will be “longer” but standby will move more swiftly because there’s fewer fast passes.

It’s a nice dream but I suspect it’s only that - a dream.

Almost certainly, Disney will start with a reasonable percentage of attraction capacity set aside for Premier Access. For the sake of discussion, let’s say that Disney starts with 50% of ride capacity reserved for Premier Access.

In a year or two, Chapek will demand increased theme park profits without specifying exactly how. Whoever is running Parks $ Resorts at the time will look at the executive in charge of WDW and say, “I need 10% more - figure it out.”

In turn, that executive will look to their staff and say, “10%, figure it out.”

Someone on the staff will say, “I know, increase Premier Access capacity from 50% to 55%.” That someone will be awarded with a bonus.

In a few years, Premier Access will be up to 70-80% of attraction capacity.

Remember, Disney is not going to set the initial limit to (for example) 50% and then be satisfied if only 40% is used. They are forecasting next year’s profits based on 100% of that 50% being used. Disney will figure out some way to get Premier Access up to its expected 50%. It might be with price or wait time manipulation, but Disney is not creating this “new” product just so that it does not sell.

Disney will do whatever they legally can to make sure that Premier Access sells at 100% or more of expectations.

 

[havoc315]

and then gate clicks go down because families paying so much already to get in and experience Disney may not be able to experience as much now

So when they reduced regular hours and made you pay for longer hours with AH events, gate clicks didn’t go down. When they made it more expensive to park hop, gate clicks didn’t go down.

I’m actually excited that DPA will be an improvement of the guest experience, allowing less time in physical lines, and allowing a LOT more flexibility in touring. So I suspect this will increase gate clicks, if anything.

 

[Willmark]

That’s a mixed bag too…but if you get it with a hotel…there’s no comparison with anything Disney has ever offered.

the response usually is “…but it’s not Disney”….

Indeed.

 

[DisneyCane]

First I would nto call it dynamic pricing, not sure where you are getting that , they are not changing the price as the day goes on like uber or Lyft, not that I ever heard. People would go nuts if they paid a different price than someone else. , And yes a family of 4 sure will pay that for your proposed bundle because they they dont know better or heck they like those rides. I have seen those at 75 minutes many times.

It seems to be possibly something like dynamic toll pricing on express lanes where the more people who use the express lane, the higher the price. It's supposed to deter people from using the express lanes when there is more traffic to maintain the value of paying for it. It doesn't work for toll express lanes and it probably won't work for FP either unless the price per pass gets to absurd levels.