dovetail65
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Those are nice ideal times, but I dont see how they could possibly work when there are 55 thousand people in the park. It will be closer to an hour. 45 minutes at the very min.
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FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was
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Those are nice ideal times, but I dont see how they could possibly work when there are 55 thousand people in the park. It will be closer to an hour. 45 minutes at the very min.
mikejs78
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I'm thinking it's not until above 75, perhaps 90.
The pay all at once upfront system is also simpler to budget for.
Let’s say a headliner is down for the day at one of the parks. Well now you will be more likely to have to pay for a fast pass at another ride.
Also a ride being down for refurbishment is no longer just a disappointment that you are going to miss it. It will also have a financial impact on your trip.
So many random events can now make your trip cost more or less money.
Let’s not even get into the fact that even if the parks are slow doesn’t mean they won’t artificially inflate wait times with reduced staffing.
Let’s say a headliner is down for the day at one of the parks. Well now you will be more likely to have to pay for a fast pass at another ride.
Also a ride being down for refurbishment is no longer just a disappointment that you are going to miss it. It will also have a financial impact on your trip.
So many random events can now make your trip cost more or less money.
Let’s not even get into the fact that even if the parks are slow doesn’t mean they won’t artificially inflate wait times with reduced staffing.
dovetail65
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Yeah that makes even more sense.
britain
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I think this will herald a new age similar to that of “the ticket books”. Less convenient, but more operationally and financially straightforward.
The cutoff will likely be more dependent on physical space then time. With far fewer FPs, there will be more people in standby. Standby will move faster without as many FPs, but the physical queues may get darn crowded.
so the Standby pass may simply be when the regular queue is full. No more “extended queues.”
dovetail65
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Well no one will ever convince me that me not knowing what I am doing before I get in the park will ever be better, it's just not who I am. I already prefer Disney over Universal for that very reason.
As for the fear of them cutting off the lines early, other then party dates where they will have happy party guests cutting lines early will have more guests choose to watch the night show, increase crowding and increase the surge which taxes transportation, decreases guest satisfaction, and most importantly overwhelms shops decreasing sales. Having a soft close spreads the rush out of the parks.
britain
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But I’m saying this could really make it more like the way it used to. If they get really greedy with the FP prices, then it will get used, but not as much as it used to. Standby and less-scheduling could be the default operation again …possibly.
dovetail65
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And why do people keep saying there will be far fewer FP, there wont be, they will just be paid for. I cant go without FP, so I will and complain then pay for the darn thing, once you go Fp you don't go back. People might not go at all before paying for FP, but those that like FP are going to pay for it, even while complaining.
If people complaining about line times because of FP are part of the reason Disney starts charging all these people accomplished was keeping the same line length for themselves and causing us to pay more. That is how this will play out in the end, just like it has at Sixflags Gurnee.
The lines at Universal are no shorter ad dint get shorter when they went to paid express. It just is not going to work the way some are hoping. All DPA or paid FP is s going to do is get Disney about 36 million more per month(last I read).
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Of course there will be far fewer. That’s the whole point of dynamic pricing.
If every guest buys 3 Access Passes per day… so you think a family of 4 will pay $40-$80 for a Small World FP? $40-$80 for a BATB FP?
Pay $120-$240 extra for 1 e-ticket and 2 meaningless FPs?
no… once you attach an extra cost, demand goes down. That’s the whole point of paid FP.
You're Bernie Sanders????
BasiltheBatLord
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It's already happening in Tokyo. The biggest E-tickets like Hunny Hunt and Midway Mania are often in standby pass mode all day (and this is with reduced COVID capacity). Other major E-tickets like the three mountains are often in standby most of the day except for right after opening and right before closing.
I have no way of knowing how the other parks will be different (Tokyo is OLC after all), but I don't see any reason to think that Disney won't have a problem with standby queues all over the park for major attractions.
TrainsOfDisney
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If they are going to start paying per ride it makes all the more sense why they want to build billion dollar lands with only 2 attractions. Almost makes them look even more evil!
hopemax
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But Disney does want you to pay the upcharge, and reports of a sold out standby queue will provide the necessary scare factor. They also won't want people getting a Pass that only gives you the privilege to come back and stand in a 90-120 minute line and defeats everything everyone has ever said about the reasons for FP in the first place. So unless they do something like the queue turns on a 2 hours, but the actual return time wait is 45 minutes, I agree with the idea that 60 minutes is going to be the magic number.
It won't be "everywhere" but whatever rides have the most "interest" with the lowest capacity is the one in each park that's going to be a problem. TSMM, before they built the 3rd track or Soarin before they built the third theater are the examples. Legacy Fastpasses were gone by lunchtime. The switch from a 10-20 minute wait to a 60 minute wait for a new ride, or something with the high level of natural interest of Star Wars, Toy Story, Frozen, etc. I can't imagine will be a deterrent to claiming a standby pass if you see it on your phone. People will be grateful that they got a pass with a 60 minute wait instead of not riding at all. Like they would be with a RoTR boarding group or a Hagrid's virtual queue time. Once the standby option gets turned on, those passes will disappear. People will know that, so they will try to rush those rides before the standby gets turned on, in the process creating the circumstances that will force the standby queue option to be turned on. Just like the morning mad rush to FOP and the 200 minute wait times by everyone who was unable to get a FP+.
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Yet another thing -
let’s say you pay $70 for the family to ride FoP, you get on the ride and for some reason the glasses are blurry and your ride sucks.
Are they going to refund your money? Let you ride again?
People who are paying for the fast pass are going to expect a flawless ride.
What if you paid for fast pass and the ride photo missed you?
If they do offer refunds or let you ride again then they have opened a can of worms.
Once people learn what to say to get a refund or re-ride everyone will be complaining about everything.
Happy I don’t work in guest services
let’s say you pay $70 for the family to ride FoP, you get on the ride and for some reason the glasses are blurry and your ride sucks.
Are they going to refund your money? Let you ride again?
People who are paying for the fast pass are going to expect a flawless ride.
What if you paid for fast pass and the ride photo missed you?
If they do offer refunds or let you ride again then they have opened a can of worms.
Once people learn what to say to get a refund or re-ride everyone will be complaining about everything.
Happy I don’t work in guest services
britain
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Good! GOOD!
More ammunition for WDI to tell Operations that they can’t skimp on maintenance.
I expect quality will improve because of this alleged change. There will be a much more direct link between an attraction’s popularity (or lack thereof OR failure to live up to its hype) and the money it brings in.
What happens now? You wait an hour and a half then your photo is blurry? If you cause enough of a fuss they let you ride again. That's partly why FP queues remain in operation now - service recovery.
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