Fast Pass: Broken Idea

The Mom

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The thread was deleted because it had deteriorated into an argument involving just a few posters, with a lot of personal attacks/insults being tossed about.

IF it can be discussed without any snide remarks or personal attacks, the discussion can be continued...in a civil, polite fashion. If not, it will again disappear, never to be started again.

Thank you.
 

Tramp

New Member
Hi Hon!

That thread got a lot more mileage than it deserved. :sohappy:

So nice to see you're keeping an eye on us. :kiss:

Rich
 

cblodg

Member
I hadn't read it in a few days so I don't know what it denegrated into (and it doesn't matter now).

Fastpass works, for all of it's flaws, it does it's main purpose which is to distribute the crowds through the parks.

I really don't think that we can break any new ground on this subject.
 

KristieLC

Member
So here is a question about fast pass then - is it really worth it? Thinking about what little I know about it, I am not sure I want to plan that much. It will be my second time there, my son's first. I just figure that my husband and I will probably pick one thing each that we would like to ride on that he cannot, but this trip is for him. We figure will will be there for 8 days, with a 7 day hopper, and we are planning on just sticking around the parks and DTD. Is something like the fast pass really something that we should consider and plan for the last few days in Nov and 1st week in Dec, or will be be fine just taking it slow, getting in what we can and enjoying whatever my son seems to be interested in. I figure we will enjoy it a whole lot more if we take a slower pace and not have every second of the day planned.
 

cblodg

Member
So here is a question about fast pass then - is it really worth it? Thinking about what little I know about it, I am not sure I want to plan that much. It will be my second time there, my son's first. I just figure that my husband and I will probably pick one thing each that we would like to ride on that he cannot, but this trip is for him. We figure will will be there for 8 days, with a 7 day hopper, and we are planning on just sticking around the parks and DTD. Is something like the fast pass really something that we should consider and plan for the last few days in Nov and 1st week in Dec, or will be be fine just taking it slow, getting in what we can and enjoying whatever my son seems to be interested in. I figure we will enjoy it a whole lot more if we take a slower pace and not have every second of the day planned.

For the time of year that you are going, you probably wont use Fastpass much at all. When we were there the week of Thanksgiving and the week after, totally different experiences. Thanksgiving week = Thank God for Fastpass. The next week, we walked on and road Kali River Rapids three times in succession because it was so slow (of course it was raining and a bit chilly but we New Englanders LOVED every minute of it!)
 

slappy magoo

Well-Known Member
OK, I'll bite: Who actually thinks fastpass is broken? While I don't think it's a perfect system (and probably never will be), I think it works better more often than not.

I also think the people who complain that Fastpass results in longer lines are, with all due respect, completely wrong. To the adrenaline junkie who bounces from fastpass-worthy attraction to fastpass-worthy attraction, every line is going to seem long no matter what. But if you're thoughtful with when and how you use fastpasses, it gives you opportunities to do things you might otherwise not get the chance to do, whether it's experience other NON-Fastpass attractions (which might have less of a wait, but you never know, because you're always on line for an "e-ticket" type attraction), or have a longer leisurely lunch, or enjoy a parade from start to finish, or shop, or just people watch. The only way to definitively say "fastpass means longer lines everywhere" would be if absolutely everything in each park were to be a fastpass attraction, and that includes getting into restaurants (table service AND counter-service, getting into shops, even going to the bathroom.

I've seen plenty of people argue "well, the last time I was at WDW BEFORE they had fastpasses, the lines were nowhere NEAR as long as they are now." Of course, that argument is moot unless you know, for a fact, attendance in the parks during THAT trip and your most recent trip were identical. If you have that info, then you might be in a position to gripe, but considering that over the past few years attendance records keep getting broken, I feel safe in assuming you don't have that info.

And finally, in regards to the time window, yeah, I understand that some people use Fastpasses after their one hour time window expired. The fact that CMs allow people to use these expired Fastpasses (according to some, the CMS have been instructed by the suits to let people pass) indicates to me that Disney doesn't see it as an issue, so why should we? After all, as someone suggested on the deleted thread, if you show up later, you make the line a TAD longer at that point, but as a result, the lines were a TAD shorter all the time you WEREN'T there. It's plausible that people in the standby line would be getting on, more or less, the same time anyway, because if you showed up within your window, everyone else on the standby line before them would've waited those few extra seconds for you to get on, and it would all balance out, as far as attendance totals at the end of the night. I would guess Disney keeps one-hour windows on the fastpass, however, so that they could start adhering to the windows if levels of attendance seem to make it necessary. Of course, if I'M on line, and have to wait while someone with an expires fastpass passes me by, I'm gonna be a little irked, though I'm sure I'll manage without killing anyone.

I'm sure there are also other ways Fastpass could be "fairly" instituted so this ceases to become an issue. One way might be for Disney to be able to give the windows "wiggle room" and adjust them, making the window longer if the parks aren't too busy, and shrink them back to an hour on busy days. Another idea would involve three steps:

1: Make the window longer - 90 mins? 2 hours? This allows even more wiggle room for people who get held up on a malfunctioning attraction's line, or a longer-than-expected meal, a shoppe where the help is new and takes more time ringing up sales, whatever...
2: Sync the fastpass use to the visitor's pass, not the little ticket that spits out of the Fastpass machine. When they approach the Fastpass line, there's a ticket machine they feed their pass into, and if the Fastpass window is still valid, they're allowed in. Once inside, there's also another ticket machine at the point where the Fastpass & standby lines start to merge. This way, no one can jump over from the Standby line. In the unlikely event that your window expires in the time between the 2 machines, it only matters as long as your window was still in effect when you first entered, you'll still be good to go.
3: Make it impossible for a customer to get another fastpass UNTIL either the prior fastpass is used, or the window, expires, providing people incentive to get to that attraction so they can a fastpass for another attraction.

And a final solution (no, not THAT "Final Solution" all you World War 2 history buffs, man, what is WRONG with you?) would be to install Fastpass kiosks not only throughout each park, but also in resorts and DTD, that would allow you to PLAN YOUR FASTPASSES, picking the times that work out best for you, and not what the current wait time is, or will be when you get there. There would be some caveats, like a one hour wait-time in-between each Fastpass one-hour window, and of course if your plans changed you might be S.O.L. but this allows a conscientious visitor to plan ideal times for him/herself and his/her party members, without worrying about "making" ADRs or missing parades. You'll get a little itinerary, and use your pass (like in the previous example) to get on the Fastpass line without any worry.

All of these idea, IMHO, seem like decent ways to keep fastpass working "smoothly," but again, if Disney doesn't see the system as broken, they'll see no need to fix it.
 

slappy magoo

Well-Known Member
So here is a question about fast pass then - is it really worth it? Thinking about what little I know about it, I am not sure I want to plan that much. It will be my second time there, my son's first. I just figure that my husband and I will probably pick one thing each that we would like to ride on that he cannot, but this trip is for him. We figure will will be there for 8 days, with a 7 day hopper, and we are planning on just sticking around the parks and DTD. Is something like the fast pass really something that we should consider and plan for the last few days in Nov and 1st week in Dec, or will be be fine just taking it slow, getting in what we can and enjoying whatever my son seems to be interested in. I figure we will enjoy it a whole lot more if we take a slower pace and not have every second of the day planned.

That's a decision you'll be able to make when you get there. Thanksgiving comes late this year, 11/27, so crowds might still be heavy when you're there, and Fastpass might come in handy. But hey, it's YOUR vacation. There's no law that says you have to experience a minimum amount of attractions at WDW or else you'll have wasted your money and have to go back to take basic Economics at you local community college. If going on your own schedule works out for you, who are any of us to tell you you're wrong? But if it starts to look like you're spending WAY too much time on lines, rethink your plans, and start getting Fastpasses whenever possible.
 

cblodg

Member
As Slappy Magoo stated, Fastpass does allow me to "attraction hop." It lets me do the most rides in a shorter periood of time.

Perhaps most of the people who feel it is broken haven't quite figured out a good system/ how to effectively use the current system to it's full potential?:confused::shrug:
 

Pens24

New Member
fastpass is a good when you don't want to wait in long lines but the long lines are created from fastpass without fastpass the lines would move faster
 

slappy magoo

Well-Known Member
fastpass is a good when you don't want to wait in long lines but the long lines are created from fastpass without fastpass the lines would move faster

Once again, that's just not true. Please see my first post in this thread. Fastpass allows you to do all sorts of other things, and those things do not necessarily have to be waiting in the standby line for another Fastpass attraction. And since attendance keeps going up every year, the lines are bound to get longer, so there's no way for you to conclusively say fastpass = longer standby lines without the attendance being the same pre and post fastpass. If it seems longer to you now, it's because attendance is bigger on average now than in previous years, AND you're naturally antsy to get on the darn ride already.
 

Elonwy

Member
first of all I completely agree with the previous thread being deleted...thanks Mom for not letting it continue (and I was one of the one's getting riled up) :lol: But believe me I'm much happier having a mormal discussion or debate than what the other thread had deteriorated into. Our Mods are the best of the bunch for sure :wave:

I think the trick to being content with the Fastpass system is to use it as a perk and not to rely on it for your schedule.

There are a few rides (at least one or two) in each park that you KNOW will have a long line and what I tend to do is to head to those rides and get the FP's for my group.

We can then spend the time leading up to the FP return time at leisure and the only real scheduling to do is to head toward our FP attraction at the time stated.

If I can't get a FP for certain attrcation so be it...the standby line is still there so I can get on any attraction I choose.

The only time the FP's really cut into any plans is when it's within an hour of an ADR or if it's past the time you plan to leave the park. In those cases it's never a surprise, though because the times are clearly stated so you have the option of getting them or not.

With or without FP, I always see the attractions of my choice, I never have to deviate too far from my schedule (mainly because I never schedule too much at Disney...I'm laid back in life and even more so on vacation) :)

It's not something I rely on but a good perk...especially when you get the little surprise of getting second FP for another attraction (happened to me twice now!) :sohappy:
 
After all, as someone suggested on the deleted thread, if you show up later, you make the line a TAD longer at that point, but as a result, the lines were a TAD shorter all the time you WEREN'T there. It's plausible that people in the standby line would be getting on, more or less, the same time anyway, because if you showed up within your window, everyone else on the standby line before them would've waited those few extra seconds for you to get on, and it would all balance out, as far as attendance totals at the end of the night.

Seems reasonable. Unless too many saved up for one last magical ride at day's end.

I was surprised that one question didn't come up (when I glanced at the thread), was doesn't the fastpass system lock out your card for 3 hours if you're late? So even if you make it through on a late pass, you can't get another right away? Has this rule been removed?
 

Elonwy

Member
Seems reasonable. Unless too many saved up for one last magical ride at day's end.

I was surprised that one question didn't come up (when I glanced at the thread), was doesn't the fastpass system lock out your card for 3 hours if you're late? So even if you make it through on a late pass, you can't get another right away? Has this rule been removed?

That's interesting...I've never heard that. From my understanding you can get another Fastpass after the return time on your first Fast Pass has passed OR two hours after you get your first fastpass.

Someone jump in and correct this if I'm mistaken...I don't get too many and I've never been "locked out" from getting one so, to be honest I'm not 100% on that part of the system
 

EmOhYouEssE

New Member
I was surprised that one question didn't come up (when I glanced at the thread), was doesn't the fastpass system lock out your card for 3 hours if you're late? So even if you make it through on a late pass, you can't get another right away? Has this rule been removed?

I have never been aware that such a rule ever existed. Are you sure you don't mean not being able to get another FP for two hours after your obtaining the 1st one or after the time stated on the first, whichever came first? Otherwise, the plethora of unused FP's we have would have never enabled us to get another.

As far as the FP system as a whole. I think as someone pointed out earlier, it doesn't take away from the standby line. If people choose to not use their FP after the expired time and wait in the standby line, then that is their option, but, rest assured, the cm's WILL allow you in after your window. ;)

For the person that posed the question on whether it is worth it, the queues are all EXTREMELY well designed, so if you are facing a 20 minute wait, you can easily entertain your little one by pointing things out in the line if you are choosing that route. I highly recommend seeing the queues for anyone who hasn't experienced them. You miss most of those when using some FP lines. You are going during a time that isn't extremely busy, so, you shouldn't have to use them for the most part (if they are even open, some close based on attendence or lack thereof).

I think the current FP system works well as is, but I could see some incentives or a tiered FP system in Disney's future if they offer certain things as an incentive for onsite guests/level of resort. They could certainly do that without taking away from the current system of FP distribution for those that it might offend.

I also enjoy the idea of kiosks to schedule a FP for an attraction later in the day and then abiding by the times listed on the ticket. There are too many "what ifs" if it were to be monitored any other way at this point.

Em
 
I have never been aware that such a rule ever existed. Are you sure you don't mean not being able to get another FP for two hours after your obtaining the 1st one or after the time stated on the first, whichever came first?

Yes, I know that you always could not get another fastpass during the window, and then updated to the "next available" time feature that might even be during the window, but when it originally came out I remember reading in an article or the rules or both that if you missed your window and didn't utilize your fastpass, you would be locked out of the fastpass system for 3? hours.

I admit I'm coming up nil on a Google search. Maybe it got phased out right away? Or I'm nuts again. :)
 

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