Darth Sidious
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EPCOT Resorts Cancelled Monorail Loop
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Didnt realize it was expanding.....
Tom
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Yup, I see it. Right there at the bottom. Blue bar with some hyperlinks. And upon closer inspection, I think I see some additional text that's telling me something subliminally. You probably can't see it because the font is the same color as the blue bar.
I'll take a screenshot, inverse the color palette, enhance the contrast, and then you'll see it. I'm also sending it off to a lab for review.
Just to let you know, I am two people removed from someone (whose family really does have the power to do anything, but so far they've kept out). Out of respect, I don't ask my family member, who directly knows this person, to say anything. I will try every conventional method before I even think of pulling this ace card, which will make my case stronger if I have to go that route. If I'm a one-man soldier and don't even have the support here, I'll have no case.
disneysince71
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Huh?
I'm back in full-force. Some points:
1. The point of dispute here was my claim of an unused monorail footer at EPCOT Center. My claim was extremely conservative, naming just one, while I suspected but did not say anything about other footers. As it turns out, not only was I right, but there are unused footers throughout the boundaries of the northern half of EPCOT Center both to the east and to the west of SSE.
2. I claimed that at one time (circa 1984) the system was on the verge of being expanded to WDW Village. Not only is my claim correct, but it was planned to coincide with another project that was on the verge of starting: a major expansion of that area (that is just now about to begin in concept) and included a clone of DL's New Orleans Square, which the Empress Lilly would have been its icon and incorporated into the project. Eisner and Wells pulled the plug on these projects almost immediately after taking management.
3. I claimed that there are ways to cut the cost of expanding the system. I incorporated some of these in the expansion proposal I thought up and posted. The official word by Disney on the costs being prohibitively expensive is true when examining just part of a much bigger picture.
4. My facts are and always have been rock solid. I will post more evidence for those that still don't believe what I'm saying, but I will do it at my own pace without being pressured to do so.
5. My efforts will refocus on the proposal I drew up, fine tuning it, tweaking it, improving it, making it better, and incorporating new ideas and suggestions. I will do my best to try to ignore those who want to derail my work.
6. Those who want my efforts to fail, think it's a complete waste of time, or don't believe it could or should happen, crash someone else's party. Life is short.
1. The point of dispute here was my claim of an unused monorail footer at EPCOT Center. My claim was extremely conservative, naming just one, while I suspected but did not say anything about other footers. As it turns out, not only was I right, but there are unused footers throughout the boundaries of the northern half of EPCOT Center both to the east and to the west of SSE.
2. I claimed that at one time (circa 1984) the system was on the verge of being expanded to WDW Village. Not only is my claim correct, but it was planned to coincide with another project that was on the verge of starting: a major expansion of that area (that is just now about to begin in concept) and included a clone of DL's New Orleans Square, which the Empress Lilly would have been its icon and incorporated into the project. Eisner and Wells pulled the plug on these projects almost immediately after taking management.
3. I claimed that there are ways to cut the cost of expanding the system. I incorporated some of these in the expansion proposal I thought up and posted. The official word by Disney on the costs being prohibitively expensive is true when examining just part of a much bigger picture.
4. My facts are and always have been rock solid. I will post more evidence for those that still don't believe what I'm saying, but I will do it at my own pace without being pressured to do so.
5. My efforts will refocus on the proposal I drew up, fine tuning it, tweaking it, improving it, making it better, and incorporating new ideas and suggestions. I will do my best to try to ignore those who want to derail my work.
6. Those who want my efforts to fail, think it's a complete waste of time, or don't believe it could or should happen, crash someone else's party. Life is short.
danlb_2000
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I think one of the reasons you are getting so much push back from people is that you keep talking about this fantastic, cost effective plan for expanding the monorail, but all you have shown so far is a very crude drawing and a handful of bullet points. If you truly did get access to someone at Disney who might be interested in this plan you would get laughed out of the room when you presented this. Where are the detailed drawings of the monorail routes, pylon locations, stations, etc.? Where is the financial analysis showing estimated cost of construction, operating costs, ROI, and comparison to other transportation options? Where is the detailed description of how the new system will operate, number of trains, timing of local and express routes, number of CM need to operate the system, etc?
If you could provide some more details we might not be so skeptical.
RedDad
Smitty Werben JagerManJensen
I think you're confusing honest skepticism with personal malice. No one has ever doubted the notion that Disney planned for a monorail expansion at some point. The disagreement is over whether they actually went through with detailed design (as in working documents) much less actual construction. While it might make sense to go ahead and pour a few of the footings during the initial construction phase, in my opinion it would not make sense at all to pour hundreds of yards of concrete without a definite plan to use them.
I have always heard the rumors about "footers buried throughout Epcot" but have never seen any evidence of them, so I'm merely curious about what the planners and engineers were thinking. Try not to take it so personally. Most of us would love to see it happen, as we have stated many times. Unfortunately, for many reasons, most of us don't think we'll ever see an expansion unless TDO just decides to do it for reasons other than monetary.
I have always heard the rumors about "footers buried throughout Epcot" but have never seen any evidence of them, so I'm merely curious about what the planners and engineers were thinking. Try not to take it so personally. Most of us would love to see it happen, as we have stated many times. Unfortunately, for many reasons, most of us don't think we'll ever see an expansion unless TDO just decides to do it for reasons other than monetary.
When did you leave?
Tom
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There is no "case".
Tom
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Since you started this discussion, you've been promising to post "evidence" to back up your claims. And every time you post something, it's a photo of nothing - pure speculation and imaginative thinking. To date, you have not posted one shred of evidence to back up your claims.
But as I mentioned before, I don't think anyone faults you for making a hobby of designing your own transportation system for WDW. The issues that people are trying to point out are that:
1) You're talking like a politician when you refer to your "plan". Every politician in recent history has campaigned on a "plan" - but none of them outline a real plan, or provide a shred of data to show why their plan would be better. You have done the exact same thing. You have a nice drawing, but your CLAIM is that it will save Disney money. Unless you have access to their financial data, and have hard prices for the construction of your design, it is literally impossible for you to prove such a claim.
2) You've made these supposed footINGS an integral part of your cost-saving transportation plan. While we're all childishly awaiting your real evidence of these supposed footers, it still doesn't matter. Everyone knows that Disney once planned to expand the monorail/rail system. And we all know that it likely would have continued out of Epcot. But there's not one piece of real evidence that they installed footings in 1980....nor does it matter at all with regard to the outcome of your plan. In a half a billion dollar project, one or more in-place footings can be likened to you building a new house, and telling the homebuilder you have ten 2x4s they can use. The price of the house won't change.
3) I'm very intrigued to hear how you're two steps removed from someone at the top of the Disney pyramid...someone who's capable of greenlighting a new transportation plan. My cousin is a College Program CM at WDW right now. In the last few months, she's met Phil Holmes and Meg Crofton. So, using your formula, I should be able to call Meg and get some things moving.
If your dream is to design a transportation system, then just do it. And if you want to share your drawings and ideas on here, there are many people who will Ooooh and Ahhhh over them. But you're going to continue to bring criticism upon yourself if you keep touting that you have a plan that is guaranteed to save money, and also that you have factual evidence of footings that were installed 30 years ago.
Darth Sidious
Authentically Disney Distinctly Chinese
No harm in asking family man.
Wow, that's a huge post. I'll come back to this later and answer the rest of it, but the thing stuck out as I was was just skimming through it...
I've repeated this over and over again. I will repeat it again. These footers are but an afterthought and the plan works just find without that component. I added it to the plan with the thinking, "They're there, so let's use them." The plan's core is my idea of building an intermodal center near DHS. If these footers are used, they could take the monorail just outside of EPCOT Center to a development I propose already zoned for future development which borders the EC property and doesn't cross EC Drive on the east side. This development would contain convention space, a hotel, light retail, emergency facilities, information kiosks, and parking. The convention space would allow them to demolish the international convention space in WS and the WoL pavilion, currently being used for convention space, for future attractions.
The thing is we don't know how far they went in planning it. Here's what we do know:
1. Footers were poured during WC construction
2. It was going to be built in 1984, along with New Orleans Square at WDW Village
3. The 1984 construction would have used the buried footers east of SSE and loop around DTD
4. There was a 1988 plan on the west side of SSE that would have extended it to DHS. Less is known about this one.
I'm trying to find all the missing peices and apply it to any future plan.
It would be a dream come true if this discussion ever gets to any of the points you mentioned. It starts with hand drawings and bulletin board discussions. I am no professional and have no secret information. How many times do I have to say that?
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