EPCOT 25th Gallery was CLOSED today - what's up?

Retrorides

New Member
I don't like or relate to Nemo in any way so the ride absolutely is worse than it was though luckily the Seabase area is mostly like it was before so that's the only part I'll ever do. It was a relief to see that wasn't Nemoized. Whether kids relate to it or not means nothing to me. If you make something worse like this or Monsters Inc. at the Magic Kingdom, I won't do it. Any company can spin the reasoning behind it in their press releases to make it sound like it's an improvement but that doesn't mean it is as this ride shows. As for the gallery, it was great and never ruined by the latest movie so it's a shame to see it go but I did do it more than once.
 

MGMBoy

Well-Known Member
I don't like or relate to Nemo in any way so the ride absolutely is worse than it was though luckily the Seabase area is mostly like it was before so that's the only part I'll ever do. It was a relief to see that wasn't Nemoized. Whether kids relate to it or not means nothing to me. If you make something worse like this or Monsters Inc. at the Magic Kingdom, I won't do it. Any company can spin the reasoning behind it in their press releases to make it sound like it's an improvement but that doesn't mean it is as this ride shows. As for the gallery, it was great and never ruined by the latest movie so it's a shame to see it go but I did do it more than once.

So you are saying that you hate both of these attractions without ever trying them out?
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
So you are saying that you hate both of these attractions without ever trying them out?
Well pre-judging and close-mindedness is the EPCOT Center way...

I've said it before, but it bears repeating. It is amazing that a theme park dedicated to the future has so many of its fans stuck in its past.
 

jedimaster1227

Active Member
Anyone think It should become a Blue Sky Cellar?

Not when there is very little to showcase except existing attractions or attractions that never were or never will be built. DCA's Cellar is appropriate considering the scope of the park's refurbishment and retheme. Walt Disney World doesn't have nearly enough to fill even the former 25th Anniversary Gallery--at least at this point in time.
 

brkgnews

Well-Known Member
Not when there is very little to showcase except existing attractions or attractions that never were or never will be built. DCA's Cellar is appropriate considering the scope of the park's refurbishment and retheme. Walt Disney World doesn't have nearly enough to fill even the former 25th Anniversary Gallery--at least at this point in time.
Oh come, now... they could showcase swatches of each of the 13 different shades of white being considered to paint that column outside the Emporium. :lookaroun
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
I thought you were going to bed? :lol:

Anyway to answer your question. Yes, I like the fact we have fishy cartoons. Not only did they bring an unused ride space back from the dead but they also connect to children in away that sea base alpha never could. When was the last time you got to talk to a sea turtle about his delicate ecosystem?

As for my signature, that's a completely diferent topic that I could go on for days about. I started the petition for many reasons one of which is that this change affects a large group of individuals who are very important to me including a person who means the world to me. I encourage you to sign if you haven't already. But that's enough of that as I want to stay on topic.

What is the cartoons connecting them too?

And when does Crush talk about that?

Nope and never.
 

MichWolv

Born Modest. Wore Off.
Premium Member
Even more than that, and as I have said before - EPCOT needs an explanation. It's not the normal, standardized theme park. The pavilion diagrams and the explanations gave an inside-view of the vision that created EPCOT Center, and that still lives on in the new Epcot.

Hear Hear. :sohappy: Epcot as originally envisioned and executed worked much better if you were in the right frame of mind. A gallery could indeed helpful with that, although the "explanation" part of it would work far better in a more central location, perhaps the exit area of Spaceship Earth. That was sort of the original purpose of that area when Epcot Center opened in 1982, but quickly changed.

The changes in Epcot in the last decade have made that frame of mind less important, as the paviolions have moved more towards the stand-alone traditional theme park stuff and away from the stuff that made Epcot as a whole much greater than the sum of its parts. :(

Please don't mistake my comments for insults. I am merely trying to have a casual conversation. Asinine means many things. One of which is foolish or silly. Would you feel better if I changed my post to reflect this?


No, it wouldn't be hard to make it permanent. But why? Do you really want an exhibit that was thrown together at the last minute to appease a large fan base that is situated in an out of the way unoccupied multipurpose storage room to be permanent? Wouldn't it be better to have a well developed exhibit the size of One Man's Dream that represents not only the Epcot of yesterday and today that is in a prominent location where it could possibly draw in an actual crowd of people?

There's another problem you have to realize. EPCOT is long gone my friend. What we have experienced is the changing of time and evolution into what we now know today to be Epcot and isn't that what Epcot is about? Change. Imagine if Walt Disney kept the original Tomorrowland in Disneyland. We would be stuck with a land set in 1986. Change happens and sometimes change happens for a reason. Epcot reflects this. I guarantee you that kids today with relate more with Finding Nemo than Sea Base Alpha. Isn't that more important?

Many of us long for the Epcot from the 80's. The current Epcot is indeed my favorite park, but if they could have added the thrills withou detracting from the "learning while having fun" and "discovery" atmosphere that pervaded the original incarnation, I would like it even more.

Regarding the history displays, I have long thought that each Disney park could/should have a display of park history, park future, and ideas that didn't make it. In Disneyland, the Disney Gallery above POTC accomplished much of that before it was killed to make a hotel prize suite. :fork: Now the Blue Sky Celler at DCA will help with some of it. One Man's Dream is nicely done, and could be the basis of a larger exhibit on park history that might be good at DtD were it to expand. And MK used to have some of this in the area that used to house the Walt Disney Story. But it doesn't anymore.

I'm sure that the park history stuff isn't done up more because Disney perceives that there's no upside to it. They don't think it'll make any incremental money, and don't think it'll draw people into the parks that wouldn't have been there in the first place. While I might suggest that selling retro merchandise in conjunction with the history of the parks exhibit would change the money dyanmic a bit, Disney is probably right.

Doesn't mean that we stop wishing it were different.
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
I'm sure that the park history stuff isn't done up more because Disney perceives that there's no upside to it. They don't think it'll make any incremental money, and don't think it'll draw people into the parks that wouldn't have been there in the first place. While I might suggest that selling retro merchandise in conjunction with the history of the parks exhibit would change the money dyanmic a bit, Disney is probably right.

Doesn't mean that we stop wishing it were different.
If they could market it the right way...anything is possible.:animwink:
 

MichWolv

Born Modest. Wore Off.
Premium Member
If they could market it the right way...anything is possible.:animwink:

One would hope. And I hope that wink means that you know something *hopeful*.

But in reality, I suspect Disney will continue to put money into things that can be marketed to masses easier then a museum-like attraction can be marketed.

I'm still hoping for my Downtown Disney located Disney Parks Museum. I understand that there is some available real estate on a misused Island in that area. :brick:
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
One would hope. And I hope that wink means that you know something *hopeful*.

But in reality, I suspect Disney will continue to put money into things that can be marketed to masses easier then a museum-like attraction can be marketed.

I'm still hoping for my Downtown Disney located Disney Parks Museum. I understand that there some available real estate on a misused Island in that area. :brick:
Well...There have been rumors/rumblings that WDW 40th will be "Retro" and a return to the classics...I have not heard that recently, though.:lookaroun:rolleyes:.

And yeah, I agree with the whole PI thing.:D
 

DMC-12

It's HarmonioUS, NOT HarmoniYOU.
It was a nice gallery to celebrate the 25th anniversary of Epcot that has come and gone, and appropriately, so has the gallery. It was never billed as a permanent addition and I'm surprised so many people thought it would be.

I don't see anyone crying over the birthday castle being gone in Magic Kingdom which was only to celebrate MK's 25th, or getting overly upset the wand is gone celebrating 2000. Ok, the birthday cake may be a poor example...

Anyway, it was a special attraction for a year that wasn't even supposed to be open a year. It was a nice to have, but nothing that was ever stated as a keep.

Though, I still argue if there was no immediate replacement plan for the space it may as well have stayed until there was.



BTW... One Mans Dream... "It was never billed as a permanent addition".

It was only supposed to be open during the 100YoM trainwreck (12-14months tops)... and uh... quite a few years later.. that is still open. Just saying ;) :king: :shrug:
 

One Lil Spark

EPCOT Center Defender
BTW... One Mans Dream... "It was never billed as a permanent addition".

It was only supposed to be open during the 100YoM trainwreck (12-14months tops)... and uh... quite a few years later.. that is still open. Just saying ;) :king: :shrug:

*Adam Sandler voice*

"Billy Idol gets it - Why can't she?"

[/endWeddingSinger]
 

MichWolv

Born Modest. Wore Off.
Premium Member
BTW... One Mans Dream... "It was never billed as a permanent addition".

It was only supposed to be open during the 100YoM trainwreck (12-14months tops)... and uh... quite a few years later.. that is still open. Just saying ;) :king: :shrug:

Tis true indeed. Many "temporary for the celebration" things have lasted much longer. Tapestry of Dreams parade went for awhile, and I wish it was still going. The blasted wand lasted far too long. And the Hat -- I know that some say it was always intended to be permanent, but it needs to be moved. And of course One Man Dreams still hasn't died, Mickey's Birthdayland/Starland/Toontown Fair was also "temporary". And the train garden in WS started as a F&W display that just stayed for years.

So temporary things often do stay around longer than planned.

Just to remind folks of part of the reason this thread started. While we all figured the gallery would be temporary, we also assumed that there would be some advance notice of its closing. Before this thread, the most current estimate had the gallery staying around until at least December 31, 2008.
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
Tis true indeed. Many "temporary for the celebration" things have lasted much longer. Tapestry of Dreams parade went for awhile, and I wish it was still going. The blasted wand lasted far too long. And the Hat -- I know that some say it was always intended to be permanent, but it needs to be moved. And of course One Man Dreams still hasn't died, Mickey's Birthdayland/Starland/Toontown Fair was also "temporary". And the train garden in WS started as a F&W display that just stayed for years.

So temporary things often do stay around longer than planned.

Just to remind folks of part of the reason this thread started. While we all figured the gallery would be temporary, we also assumed that there would be some advance notice of its closing. Before this thread, the most current estimate had the gallery staying around until at least December 31, 2008.
Seems like all the BAD temporary stuff stays for AGES and the good stuff is gone.

And yeah, if they woulda closed this thing the RIGHT way, I still woulda been upset but at least we could have expected/planned for it.
 

MichWolv

Born Modest. Wore Off.
Premium Member
Seems like all the BAD temporary stuff stays for AGES and the good stuff is gone.

And yeah, if they woulda closed this thing the RIGHT way, I still woulda been upset but at least we could have expected/planned for it.

Now now. No need to overly negative (we're all pretty good at that, though). One Man's Dream is a good thing, and I'm glad that stayed. And Tapestry lasted longer than planned, and that was a good thing.

And don't forget, your favorite castle cake did NOT get extended. :lol:
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
Now now. No need to overly negative (we're all pretty good at that, though). One Man's Dream is a good thing, and I'm glad that stayed. And Tapestry lasted longer than planned, and that was a good thing.

And don't forget, your favorite castle cake did NOT get extended. :lol:


Yeah, but ToN became ToD....DREAM!!!:rolleyes::lol:
 

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