News 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

[celluloid]

Yes. It absolutely is! But I never said Tron was.

Once again you are singling out modern attractions from the bottom up.

No I am not. Never was. Pointing out their lack of frequency.
That is why there are eras with more greats than others.

 

[peter11435]

No I am not. Never was. Pointing out their lack of frequency.
That is why there are eras with more greats than others.

lol. You absolutely are! Do you even hear yourself?

You’ve specifically brought up some of the greatest attractions of the past TOT, Splash, and Imagination and selectively compared them to the weakest modern projects Tiana, Toy Story Land, and Tron.

 

[celluloid]

lol. You absolutely are! Do you even hear yourself?

You’ve specifically brought up some of the greatest attractions of the past TOT, Splash, and Imagination and selectively compared them to the weakest modern projects Tiana, Toy Story Land, and Tron.

No. Go back. It was asked what was the era of show stoppers was if someone were to say.(for the record I never said Imagination but that was a great k e six months after in 1983. So I don't even think you read my posts)
I said 1988 to 1998 was full of the most common sistent large investments of greats with most still present, followed by 1972 to about 1982 being the second if one had to pick.

Those greats were not cherry picked. They all fit in a decade.

And as you know have agreed. That era is objectively WDI stronger with hits. Let it go.

The frequency of greats are further apart. Objectively.

As noted. If the new attractions for AK are great, they land ten years since the last great for that park.

 

[peter11435]

No. Go back. It was asked what was the era of show stoppers was if someone were to say.(for the record I never said Imagination but that was a great k e six months after in 1983. So I don't even think you read my posts)
I said 1988 to 1998 was full of the most common sistent large investments of greats with most still present, followed by 1972 to about 1982 being the second if one had to pick.

Those greats were not cherry picked. They all fit in a decade.

And as you know have agreed. That era is objectively WDI stronger with hits. Let it go.

The frequency of greats are further apart. Objectively.

As noted. If the new attractions for AK are great, they land ten years since the last great for that park.

It was another poster that mentioned Imagination and you reacted. My mistake on that one.

And again, you’re missing my point. I’m not saying you’re cherry picking great attractions. I’m saying you’re cherry picking weaker modern attractions to solidify your point.

 

[celluloid]

It was another poster that mentioned Imagination and you reacted. My mistake on that one.

And again, you’re missing my point. I’m not saying you’re cherry picking great attractions. I’m saying you’re cherry picking weaker modern attractions to solidify your point.

Same acusation just flipped argument What era are those in?


I said the gaps between the greats are longer. Objectively true, even with your confusion.
There have been some fun hits scattered...
The era that replaced the greats with lesser...hmm. makes it more obvious which one had more showstoppers for WDI's legacy doesn't it?

Tower of Terror and Splash Mountain and Muppet Vision Era with the weaker major attractions being RnR, Cointdown to Extinction and Alien Encounter, and Honey I Shrunk The Audience ...

Or Guardians, Rat and Pandora. With weaker being Tiana, Tron Slinky and Alien saucers.
One of these has much less. And I did not even mention all of fellow medium hitters of the first era.

Is it really that close for you?
Subjectively. Great if true. You are in the GSAT minority. But still good for you.

Objectively there were more frequent and better rated attractions in the former mentioned.


My original comment was WDI still does great things, but you wait longer. Specifically I meant about a decade between big tickets in each park in what used to be never more than 5.

 

[peter11435]

Same acusation just flipped argument What era are those in?


I said the gaps between the greats are longer. Objectively true, even with your confusion.
There habe been some fun hits scattered...
The era that replaced the greats with lesser...hmm. makes it more obvious which one had more showstoppers for WDI's legacy doesn't it?

Tower of Terror and Splash Mountain and Muppet Vision Era with the weaker major attractions being RnR, Cointdown to Extinction and Alien Encounter, and Honey I Shrunk The Audience ...

Or Guardians, Rat and Pandora. With weaker being Tiana, Tron Slinky and Alien saucers.
One of these has much less. And I did not even mention all of fellow medium hitters of the first era.

Isnitnreally that close for you?
Subjectively. Great if true. You are in the Gsat minority. But still good for you.

Objectively there were more frequent and better rated attractions in the former mentioned.


My original comment was WDI still does great things, but you wait longer. Specifically I meant about a decade between big tickets in each park in what used to be never more than 5.

I don’t know if it’s your reading comprehension or if you just intentionally want to miss the point. But clearly you’re just not getting it.

Have a good night lol

 

[celluloid]

I don’t know if it’s your reading comprehension or if you just intentionally want to miss the point. But clearly you’re just not getting it.

Have a good night lol

I get you are making a point, it just has little to do with what everyone else is discussing.

But go on and insult and run. @JackCH @Casper Gutman For what it is worth, I thought it was a cool ponder to bring up. Thanks for the discussion

 

[peter11435]

I get you are making a point, it just has little to do with what everyone else is discussing.

But go on and insult and run. @JackCH @Casper Gutman For what it is worth, I thought it was a cool ponder to bring up. Thanks for the discussion

I’m not running. I’m just tired of having this discussion with someone who is intentionally missing the point. I’m not even sure you knew what you were discussing half the time as you continually added additional qualifiers and filters. I’m not the only one who has called you out for that here.

 

[celluloid]

I’m not running. I’m just tired of having this discussion with someone who is intentionally missing the point. I’m not even sure you knew what you were discussing half the time as you continually added additional qualifiers and filters. I’m not the only one who has called you out for that here.

No point was intentionally missed. There was just little to do with the discussion. We hear ya. Well everyone else was done with the discussion and you come out blazing as if there is some point that must be missed. Then the lols, the insults and goodnight comes in. Yeah, best to stop if you are tired.

I like the ponders and discussions the others post.

 

[peter11435]

I like the ponders and discussions the others post.

Well yeah. I doubt you like being called out.

And yeah… you were missing the point. Quite possibly you still are.

 

[celluloid]

Well yeah. I doubt you like being called out.

I think little of it because I am not sure what I am out of or on?

 

[UNCgolf]

This was true of Magic Kingdom as well, which had stores like The King's Gallery, House of Magic, Old World Antiques, plus smaller diversions like Main Street Cinema (when it was a Cinema).

The homogenizing of WDW didn't just dilute individual park themes, it made many stores and restaurants bland too.

Definitely -- it just didn't hurt Magic Kingdom as much as it hurt DHS because Magic Kingdom had (and still has) so much else going for it.

It's one of the biggest reason the Magic Kingdom feels like a slightly weaker park today than it did in 1993, though. There have been other changes, but they're more or less a wash overall with some improvements and some decline.

 

[celluloid]

And yeah… you were missing the point. Quite possibly you still are.

Nope. I just think little of it because it's not bringing any discussion or relating to it.

 

[Centauri Space Station]

The problem is that none of the new attractions are clear “home runs” - they all have significant downsides. I love MMRR, for instance… but it replaced another attraction I ALSO loved, so it’s a lateral move. The closest thing to a pure “win” is Avatar Land, but that land still feels underbuilt and the water ride is one third of an attraction.

Nothing Disney has built recently in Orlando compares to ToT, the original Imagination, Splash Mountain…

Rise, Fop, Guardians?

 

[Centauri Space Station]

And again, my original post said great. If you find Toy Story Land on the greatness of others mentioned...yikes. A bridge too far for most.

TSL added smaller attractions kids can enjoy in a park light on smaller attractions. A whole family can ride alien saucers, only kids could play at honey i shrunk the kids playground. Streets of america was a waste of space and LMA had little repeat value with bleachers baking in the sun. Backlot tour was pointless since Residential street was removed.

 

[celluloid]

TSL added smaller attractions kids can enjoy in a park light on smaller attractions. A whole family can ride alien saucers, only kids could play at honey i shrunk the kids playground. Streets of america was a waste of space and LMA had little repeat value with bleachers baking in the sun. Backlot tour was pointless since Residential street was reremoved.

Yes. It has value and I am not saying it can't be fun. But it is not a qualifier of the term Showstopper in the industry or legacy maker of WDI when one asks what the best era of the strongest consistent good has been.
The main issue is the low height requirement attractions was an outdoor coaster and a flat ride system in a land void of much else of its premise after a long dryspell for the park of about ten years.(Star Tours 2.0 was the only thing for Studios that came to DHS after Toy Story Mania 2008. Also fun bht show stoppers for the industry?

Logical Fallacy to say only kids could play at Honey I shrunk the kids playground. Ha. I played on there plenty of times as a kid, teen and adulthood. Best play area outside of Camp Jurassic and TSI in its prime. Ironically Andy's Backyard should have felt more Honey...a back yard.

 

[BrianLo]

Josh made it clear that the announced Capex was for new attractions (including rethemes) and not depreciation nor infrastructure (unless a new build required new infrastructure.

I’m too lazy to look but was the $17B said to be specifically for WDW or was it “in Florida”? I ask because the latter could conceivably include investments related to the cruise line (especially things at the port).

Anywho, the financial slides do clarify. It’s 12B of new build capex for WDW specifically, 5B for maintenance or things that would not be considered capital improvements. Like retracking Big Thunder for the most part of that projects budget wouldn’t be an improvement, new effects would be.

The cruise line has 20B of the 60B pot.

Essentially it’s 3B of new build capex per gate in a resort, worldwide. I don’t think they put a lot more thought into it than that when they made up the numbers. 1.5 in the case of the two co-owned Asian parks since their partners are forming out the other half.

 

[BrianLo]

I've been thinking about the following, and decided this is the best thread for it (since Tropical Americas is the soonest-to-open of the truly major upcoming projects).

The likely budgets of all the announced projects combined would be only a small fraction of the supposed $17 billion in capital expenditures for a 10-year period.

If erring towards the high end, I might imagine something like:

• Tropical Americas: $600 million
• Monstropolis: $500 million
• Muppets RnRC: $100 million
• Cars: $500 million
• Villains: $1.5 billion

That totals just over $3 billion. Maybe I'm still underestimating - maybe the Villains land is an unprecedented $2 billion (is that possible?), maybe Cars is a whopping $1 billion due to infrastructure complexities, maybe Tropical Americas and Monstropolis are several hundred million dollars more, plus we should count hotel expansions, etc. - so let's round it up and say $5 billion.

If they're really budgeting $17 billion for the 10-year period with the supposed aim of leapfrogging over the competition via extraordinary scale/ambition, why do they appear so budget-constrained right now... especially considering what we know about these additions: the Encanto attraction only being a D-ticket (if still true?), the Indiana Jones Adventure plans being downsized so it's no longer anticipated to be the superior version (if still true?), and not even to be going all-out with the door coaster (according to insiders in that thread)? Is this only because the anticipated cash won't be available until the second half of the decade? (I know they said the capex would be rear-loaded, but this seems really rear-loaded... like, $10-15 billion in capex over the remaining five years is nearly inconceivable to me...)

No insider has affirmed anything has been drastically cut. In fact Tropical Americas has gained a play area and DHS added in a show budget and the RnRC retheme to its project.

I’m not sure about your numbers. They are probably a little low. My best recommendation is IF (big IF) they actually spend that amount entirely in a ten year window, you’ll see 50% more decade on decade with inflation already baked in. Don’t discount things like the Springs or Skyliner when doing that mental math.

The IF rests on 2030-33 In particular scaling up in a big way. I still don’t think we know about everything for this current decade (ie the next five years). I’d not be surprised if we are still in for two more relatively big things (more on the replacement end - akin to RnRC or Test Track), shows, a night show and something unexpected at the resort. We didn’t even know about Galaxies Edge and they hadn’t even started planning Epcot in 2014. Heck, we’ve already had three announced things since D23.

 

[Bocabear]

Are the new DVC towers at the Poly and Lakeside Apartment Complex part of the 12B investment number?

 

[Indy_UK]

Are the new DVC towers at the Poly and Lakeside Apartment Complex part of the 12B investment number?

I imagine that's a cert as it's an investment to their income? It doesn't have to be for the benefit of the guests lol

I am glad they are throwing so much at Cruiseline though