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DAK 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

BrianLo

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And these were all choices. The land was DESIGNED to be kinetic, with wandering droids and a third outside ride California fought for, but they were cut. The fact that the setting was “original” just highlights that the land’s problems are entirely self -inflicted - Disney could have made the land anything they want! They could have taken inspiration from Naboo or Coruscant and mixed it with Tatooine or the Endor Moon to produce something AMAZING! What if the setting was in a smugglers outpost set among the ruins of a Naboo-esque throne planet? What if the spires of Batuu were encrusted with gems (and the buildings were interesting and ornate)? The problem is that SWL really does feel like the sequels in that the aesthetic is beige and bland, the creatures are uninteresting, and the whole thing reeks of fear that too much imagination might alienate fans.

I don’t disagree with you, SWGE was disappointingly neutered. But beyond that, do you really want Disney to be more like Universal? I’m not really sure of your point. More criticizing something they aren’t as good at that we don’t really want them to do anyways.

Universal has leaned quite heavily on external studios and creators to make their best lands. Monsters looks good, but really not some sort of massive gain on SWGE. I think probably Pandora will still be perceived as better.
 

Bocabear

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Cars Land is great, but Potter is based on a series that is essentially written as if the author were designing a theme park. There is in-depth description of visually uncanny environments, exotic food and beverage, retail experiences, magical vehicles, etc. On top of that, because the novels came first, a far greater proportion of people interested in Harry Potter will have read the extended accompanying literary material; I imagine a comparison between the number of Potter fans who have read the various books and the number of Star Wars fans who have read the novelizations/extended universe info will favor the former. Within the context of, say, the few Avatar or Star Wars films, the treatment of any one setting is pretty much surface-level only, so to fill in F&B, retail, etc., you have to either invent things or dig into supplementary materials with which most visitors won't be familiar. That's not to say that there aren't a few iconic things that you can place in the "other" lands that will draw people in (e.g. Millennium Falcon for Star Wars, floating islands for Pandora, Peach's Castle for Mario, etc.), but there are not many properties that hit so fully and completely on the entire nexus of things that make a theme park tick. Everyone who's coming in already wants to shop at Ollivander's and Gambol & Japes, already wants to try butterbeer and chocolate frogs, already wants to explore the depths of Gringotts and the Escher-like halls of Hogwarts, already wants to ride the train, already wants to dine at the Leaky Cauldron. You don't have to invent things like Satu'li or Toad's Cafe and subsequently convince people of the interest, desirability, and value. You just have to deliver the quality; the familiarity is already there unlike with almost anything else you could build.
And that is exactly what they got right with the DCA Carsland...It was a familiar environment and setting and the realization of it is perfect... By choosing an unknown location to begin with is where the problems start...Other than that, because of the source material used, there is only so much you can do with it...the locations in the films were not iconic demanding exploration... the actual ships were the more memorable locations from the series...The planet locations are worlds at war... they are not joyful places you want to explore... If only Disney had an IP that had a recognizable location that you really wanted to explore... not just a spaceship to shoot guns at and a dead battle scarred planet....
 

flyerjab

Well-Known Member
I don’t disagree with you, SWGE was disappointingly neutered. But beyond that, do you really want Disney to be more like Universal? I’m not really sure of your point. More criticizing something they aren’t as good at that we don’t really want them to do anyways.

Universal has leaned quite heavily on external studios and creators to make their best lands. Monsters looks good, but really not some sort of massive gain on SWGE. I think probably Pandora will still be perceived as better.
Pandora is better, and I’ve been to both Potter lands several times.

First off, in no way is Hogsmeade as good as Diagon Alley. And Diagon Alley is not better than Pandora or SWGE. I put those three in the same league.

However, I give Pandora and SWGE the nod over Diagon Alley, if for no other reason that they are more original. Diagon Alley is fantastic, no doubt, but it already existed on the big screen. There was a true north. As far as I know, the Valley of Mo’ara didn’t exist in Avatar. And the same for Galaxy’s Edge. These lands are original. The Imagineers had to create them. Diagon Alley is more of a popular blueprint that Universal Creative followed.

I do agree this far, however, with @Casper Gutman regarding my anticipation for Pueblo Esperanza. Looking at all of the lands in the Orlando theme parks, the best cohesive theming is found in Harambe, Anandapur and Serka Zong. Those lands are exceptional, and I am hoping that Tropical Americas follows that same path. I want the Imagineers to show that you can still make a great land that isn’t based upon a single IP.
 

The Leader of the Club

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I've always questioned why they didn't include Up in the new land. It's a popular movie and Ip, especially for Animal Kingdom. It could be that Paradise Falls is more of a secluded, one Ip land, but I think maybe replacing the theater and some of the backstage area for an Up land would be great. Here's a basic layout of what I think an Up mini-land could look like...

I do wonder if the Theater in the Wild could be earmarked for a phase two. Up would be a no-brainer for another property to add here, but there’s always the possibility that Disney would push for Coco instead. Emperor’s New Groove could be a dark horse depending on how popular/significant Yzma’s contribution to Villains Land is.
 

Gremlin Gus

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I've always questioned why they didn't include Up in the new land. It's a popular movie and Ip, especially for Animal Kingdom. It could be that Paradise Falls is more of a secluded, one Ip land, but I think maybe replacing the theater and some of the backstage area for an Up land would be great. Here's a basic layout of what I think an Up mini-land could look like...
I'm guessing it's because Up doesn't have too much "Tropical Americas" related things in it besides Paradise Falls, and also the fact that Encanto is a more relevant and popular franchise than Up is imo (I still love both don't get me wrong). I wouldn't be surprised if maybe an Up themed land at Tropical America comes perhaps as an expansion or a phase 2 replacing the Finding Nemo show next to Dinoland.
 

Marc Davis Fan

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The Theater in the Wild area (including its RoL bleachers) seems like it will serve as a good visual/spatial buffer between Serka Zong and Pueblo Esperanza, in the same manner as it did for Serka Zong and Dinoland, and in the same manner as the “thematically neutral” walkways between Harambe and Anandapur as well as between Pandora and Harambe. Turning it into a themed environment might have a deleterious effect much like if they expanded Africa and Asia into each other, or expanded Pandora and Africa into each other. Those buffer zones are a really important and overlooked part of the success (indeed brilliance) of DAK’s design.

Speaking of this, I hope the Pueblo Esperanza structures aren’t disruptively visible from across the lake in Serka Zong. As others have noted above, it would be an understatement to say that visual immersion is DAK’s strong suit… DAK might be the best park in the world at this, rivaling even DisneySea. If sightlines are considered properly, Tropical Americas will raise the high water mark even further…

Also, presumably somebody will remember to remove the Dino Institute logo from Theater in the Wild (although it would be kinda cool as a tribute, despite being confusing to future guests), and while they’re at it, maybe there’s a budget for some additional greenery being planted out front (it is “in the wild” after all)…
 

AidenRodriguez731

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As I’ve said before, I’m very much looking forward to this land. It is far and away the most promising thing WDW has announced and the only one that I wouldn’t cancel if I had the ability to do so. It’s also great that it’s a traditional multi-IP land.

Going back to a broader view and considering Disney’s performances over the last decades, it’s a huge indictment of the company that, since the focus shifted to single-IP lands in 2010, Disney has utterly failed to build any such areas equal to Uni’s Potter lands in Orlando. Cars Land is on that level in California, but we’re getting an ill-fitting knock off, Monsters Land is a cheap and destructive overlay, TSL is a sad joke, and SWL and Pandora are both good but fall short of Potter. The first shot Disney has is Villain Land (taking the Villains as one IP, similar to Uni’s Monsters), which won’t open until around 2030 at the most optimistic. That’s 20 years after the first Potter Land, by which time Uni will have opened two more Potter areas plus at least three other IP lands that appear to be of similar quality.
Universal has been chasing their own success and failing as well. They horribly tried to retrofit their single IP lands into their main park while making a weird mismash of the theme of the park. If Disney gets trouble for it, Universal should too.
The original concept for what IOA was also got thrown out pretty quickly. I'll also say that the new DK ride looks very underdone so I would not call that of similar quality to the OG HP. Harry Potter was a great land... once. They copy and pasted the same idea with new shop names 3 times in one city and called it a day and it kinda shows with the last one where they just flat out ran out of ideas for how to make the last one connect to Harry Potter still so now you travel through time and space because??


I'm kinda tired that huge things like this are never talked about when EU/Universal is in the equation but the moment Disney does do something similar to compete, it blows up.
 

Casper Gutman

Well-Known Member
Universal has been chasing their own success and failing as well. They horribly tried to retrofit their single IP lands into their main park while making a weird mismash of the theme of the park. If Disney gets trouble for it, Universal should too.
The original concept for what IOA was also got thrown out pretty quickly. I'll also say that the new DK ride looks very underdone so I would not call that of similar quality to the OG HP. Harry Potter was a great land... once. They copy and pasted the same idea with new shop names 3 times in one city and called it a day and it kinda shows with the last one where they just flat out ran out of ideas for how to make the last one connect to Harry Potter still so now you travel through time and space because??


I'm kinda tired that huge things like this are never talked about when EU/Universal is in the equation but the moment Disney does do something similar to compete, it blows up.
EU/ Universal has a lot of problems, but they aren’t the ones you mentioned. For instance, I suspect you’re referring to the idea that IOA was based on written material, but that was always something fans projected onto it. As to the Ministry… a wizard did it.

Universal swerved onto the wrong track after the pandemic, but EU papers over a lot of the cracks. We’ll see what happens if things don’t improve after that park opens. WDW, however, has been on the wrong track for over 25 years.
 

AidenRodriguez731

Well-Known Member
EU/ Universal has a lot of problems, but they aren’t the ones you mentioned. For instance, I suspect you’re referring to the idea that IOA was based on written material, but that was always something fans projected onto it. As to the Ministry… a wizard did it.

Universal swerved onto the wrong track after the pandemic, but EU papers over a lot of the cracks. We’ll see what happens if things don’t improve after that park opens. WDW, however, has been on the wrong track for over 25 years.
See I disagree with that. As a newer park fan, I love the track that WDW has been on. Every new experience I have ridden has been generally pretty good.


Universal Studios also lost its theming when it did Minions. I really feel like EU is their attempt to make 4 wizarding lands tbh and while some of them are super compelling, I feel like in actuality they came up short based on what we know. The ride systems for the Nintendo rides don't really match the experience well. Universal has been on the wrong track since MUCH before the pandemic when they decided that they would take two parts of the Tram tour to make full rides out of (both being some of their lowest rated rides), the new Dreamworks land is pretty eh even for a kids area. Maintenance has been overall terrible with a few specific rides. These are all problems that Disney parks have been dragged for but Universal gets through no problem :/
 

SaltyP

Member
With Indiana Jones, I think the ride will be good to great, but what I'm really curious about is how they are going to pull of the queue. IMHO the queues for the other two versions are absolutely stunning and really transportive, I'd put them on the same level as RoTR when it comes to enhancing the ride experience and adding to the story. I really hope they manage to live up to Crystal Skull and Forbidden Eye, but those are mighty big shoes to fill and I'm not sure they have the sauce like that anymore.
 

Marc Davis Fan

Well-Known Member
With Indiana Jones, I think the ride will be good to great, but what I'm really curious about is how they are going to pull of the queue. IMHO the queues for the other two versions are absolutely stunning and really transportive, I'd put them on the same level as RoTR when it comes to enhancing the ride experience and adding to the story. I really hope they manage to live up to Crystal Skull and Forbidden Eye, but those are mighty big shoes to fill and I'm not sure they have the sauce like that anymore.
This is a very good point. I've been lucky to ride DL's and TDS's IJAs, and in both cases, the queue should get much of the credit for the strength of the overall experience... perhaps a lot more than most riders realize.

The CTX queue area doesn't seem to have nearly as much space... unless they open up the side of the building and expand (which seems unlikely). The rotunda needs to be turned into something extraordinary, and perhaps we'll see a good use of the current preshow spaces...
 

Nickm2022

Well-Known Member
After going in Dinoland one final time yesterday I can say the land is definitely on its final legs. But I also thought of something. Anyone know the height of the land? Because as I walked throughout the park, Everest rises above Asia, Pandora the mountains, Discovery island the Tree, (Africa being the exception), do we know how tall TA is. As in the concept art the Encanto home, or at least the hills look pretty tall and should make for a good way to figure out how close you are to the land

also side note, why is the Nemo building still there. It's in such a important area and should become an expansion of Tropical America or as a prep site for the hopefully in development nighttime drone show in the future
 

SaltyP

Member
This is a very good point. I've been lucky to ride DL's and TDS's IJAs, and in both cases, the queue should get much of the credit for the strength of the overall experience... perhaps a lot more than most riders realize.

The CTX queue area doesn't seem to have nearly as much space... unless they open up the side of the building and expand (which seems unlikely). The rotunda needs to be turned into something extraordinary, and perhaps we'll see a good use of the current preshow spaces...
The TDS queue's main room is really quite impressive, isn't it? Feels like a set ripped right out of Temple of Doom
 

splah

Well-Known Member
This I can speak for specifically. That is not true at all and never was. It is absolutely designed and planned to be the superior version. At least on paper it is and everyone involved I’ve spoken to believes it will be but as we know until it opens we will see if the public perception feels the same way.

As far as budgets in general Disney has always stated that the second half of the 10 year plan will see the bulk of the money. So if true there is a lot more coming.
I hope superior means fully realized sets and almost no projections.
 

THEMEPARKPIONEER

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I like the idea of tropical americas and I bet the new ride in that track and platform is going to be great but with the volume Disney gets I think it would be better for them to have Dinoland and Tropical americas and if they must the could get rid of that street fair.
 

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