DAK 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

[James Alucobond]

Yes, let us do objective then.

With a straight face you can't say MMRR and Toy Story Land are on the level of Sunset Blvd.

So what did the decade before Galaxy's Edge bring to Hollywood Studios.

Why are you focusing specifically on Hollywood Studios when you're invoking WDI as a whole (in the thread about Animal Kingdom's current expansion, to boot)?

 

[peter11435]

It's silly to pretend that there are no objective measures of quality that one can take into account. Sure, a ride might not come together artistically or suit your personal tastes. That doesn't mean there are 10-year+ gaps between significant, impactful WDI projects, as you originally implied. It just means they're producing fewer things that interest you.

Yep. In the past 10 years they’ve added Pandora, Galaxies Edge, Toy Story land, Runaway Railway, Ratatouille, Cosmic Rewind, Tiana, and Tron just to name the major highlights at WDW.

 

[JackCH]

Yes, Disney theme parks today look great if we ignore decades of history and precedence along with exponential price increases and just write off all of that as nostalgia and a matter of taste.

I mean... It is a matter of taste though. I would say 3/4 parks are better today (Epcot is worse I agree). And I think a large amount of people would agree with that as much as you might vehemently disagree.

 

[celluloid]

Why are you focusing specifically on Hollywood Studios when you're invoking WDI as a whole (in the thread about Animal Kingdom's current expansion, to boot)?

It where their recent big scale went. You brought up already across four parks. Should the additions or hits be at the same rate Than the 80s or 90s?

We ca do MK if you want. From new Fantasyland to Tron....what went significantly into MK?

 

[celluloid]

Yep. In the past 10 years they’ve added Pandora, Galaxies Edge, Toy Story land, Runaway Railway, Ratatouille, Cosmic Rewind, Tiana, and Tron just to name the major highlights at WDW.

So in ten years...

Each WDW theme park got less than two a new rides. Most rethemes of debatable if better than their predecessor.

Subjectivity side.

4 parks getting 10 attractions(one of them a flat ride and most replacements) over the course of a decade is not really something we can say tops the 1972-1982 or 1988-1998 era of Disney with it's constant new innovative and most remaining attractions to this day when we use the word "signifigant."

Again let's define our terms. Is Toy Story Land or Tiana a signifiant triumph of WDI's legacy?

 

[JackCH]

Many flawed but most still around pleasing. And entire parks of success.
Define your term "showstopper."

There is a reason it was known as The Disney Decade.

Showstopper I just mean major headliner attractions. E-Tickets, if you like.

I'm not trying to degrade "The Disney Decade," I granted it was in the discussion as the best for Disney expansion. But the way you are talking it is as if the recent decade isn't even remotely in the same ball park, which I just don't see at all.

If we want to degrade the mid-2000's to like 2015, then we can. I agree with that period being pretty awful aside from EE. That includes the early part of the decade I gave, which still ends up looking pretty decent.

Again, my point isn't even wanting to say this is "better" than the 80's/90's, but sometimes it feels like people engage in hyperbole about the recent years.

 

[celluloid]

If we want to degrade the mid-2000's to like 2015, then we can. I agree with that period being pretty awful aside from EE. That includes the early part of the decade I gave, which still ends up looking pretty decent.

That is because the first half was Eisner's tired years which had a few big projects left. Mission Space, Everest, Toy Story Mania and then Iger which had nothing of note in E Tickets for a good while until Fantasyland expansion.

Again, let us ask, should the rate of E tickets be less across four theme parks between 3 in 1998?

 

[James Alucobond]

It where their recent big scale went. You brought up already across four parks. Should the additions or hits be at the same rate Than the 80s or 90s?

We ca do MK if you want. From new Fantasyland to Tron....what went significantly into MK?

You keep bouncing from one altitude to another, so I guess I have no idea what you're even attempting to measure. At first, you were talking about WDI as a whole, but afterward, you kept re-framing everything from the perspective of a single park within a multi-park resort complex (which itself is one among multiple resorts). Do you actually want to talk about the lag between significant WDI projects, or do you want to talk about how things have felt like they're spread thin when viewed from the perspective of a single park within the larger portfolio?

 

[celluloid]

You keep bouncing from one altitude to another, so I guess I have no idea what you're even attempting to measure. At first, you were talking about WDI as a whole, but afterward, you kept re-framing everything from the perspective of a single park within a multi-park resort complex (which itself is one among multiple resorts). Do you actually want to talk about the lag between significant WDI projects, or do you want to talk about how things have felt like they're spread thin when viewed from the perspective of a single park within the larger portfolio?

You can take a microcosm on this one and get the same result.

 

[James Alucobond]

You really don't, but okay. There was a period when things were especially stagnant that continues to have major impacts today, but aside from the obvious COVID speedbump, there's a lot going on with WDI across the resort and cruise line business, your level of interest notwithstanding.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Everyone in my family enjoys all four parks more in 2024 than 2014…and I presume even more in 2034.

Our complaints arise entirely from the planning of a park day. MDE and high-tech (and a high incidence of breakdowns) rides has made a visit to DHS hella stressful.

 

[JackCH]

That is because the first half was Eisner's tired years which had a few big projects left. Mission Space, Everest, Toy Story Mania and then Iger which had nothing of note in E Tickets for a good while until Fantasyland expansion.

Again, let us ask, should the rate of E tickets be less across four theme parks between 3 in 1998?

Again, I think the first half of the 2010's was bad, and even with that the latter half was impressive and the "rate of E-tickets" in the last 10, even with Covid, is at least comparable to the "rate" of the "Disney Decade" (and some of the attractions you listed I do not see as E-Tickets).

But I'm not going to convince you, and I do understand your point of view.

 

[celluloid]

You really don't, but okay. There was a period when things were especially stagnant that continues to have major impacts today, but aside from the obvious COVID speedbump, there's a lot going on with WDI across the resort and cruise line business, your level of interest notwithstanding.

Covid was a speed bump.

Are you familiar with the economy and the position The Walt Disney Company was in the 70s?
If we are going to talk your points let's do it right

 

[JackCH]

Everyone in my family enjoys all four parks more in 2024 than 2014…and I presume even more in 2034.

Our complaints arise entirely from the planning of a park day. MDE and high-tech (and a high incidence of breakdowns) rides has made a visit to DHS hella stressful.

This is my family's feeling as well. The parks themselves are better, but there is frustration with cost, LL, and planning aspects.

 

[celluloid]

Everyone in my family enjoys all four parks more in 2024 than 2014…and I presume even more in 2034.

Our complaints arise entirely from the planning of a park day. MDE and high-tech (and a high incidence of breakdowns) rides has made a visit to DHS hella stressful.

As they should. 2014 was when stagnation hit critical mass.

Now we are in a guest service funk by operational choices.

 

[peter11435]

Again let's define our terms. Is Toy Story Land or Tiana a signifiant triumph of WDI's legacy?

You’re showing your bias by choosing the two weakest projects on the list to ask this question.

 

[James Alucobond]

Covid was a speed bump.

Are you familiar with the economy and the position The Walt Disney Company was in the 70s?
If we are going to talk your points let's do it right

Dude, you made a statement ...

WDI does produce great things still, there are just near decade gaps between now.

... that was clearly untrue, which I responded to. That you keep bouncing around to talk about different things now is whatever. I'm just saying that it's factually untrue that there are decade-long gaps between significant WDI projects. It's not a matter of opinion. It's just wrong. If you actually meant something else with that statement about the state of each individual park or whatever, then great, but that's not how it reads, and I've little interest in discussing whatever tangents you want to tack on now since they have nothing to do with my initial post and even less to do with this topic in particular.

 

[celluloid]

You’re showing your bias by choosing the two weakest projects on the list to ask this question.

You listed them as significant WDI.
I never said nothing has come.

There is just ten years between a park expecting its next significant WDI legacy/E Ticket/Show stopper.

 

[Casper Gutman]

You’re showing your bias by choosing the two weakest projects on the list to ask this question.

The problem is that none of the new attractions are clear “home runs” - they all have significant downsides. I love MMRR, for instance… but it replaced another attraction I ALSO loved, so it’s a lateral move. The closest thing to a pure “win” is Avatar Land, but that land still feels underbuilt and the water ride is one third of an attraction.

Nothing Disney has built recently in Orlando compares to ToT, the original Imagination, Splash Mountain…

 

[celluloid]

Dude, you made a statement ...

... that was clearly untrue, which I responded to. That you keep bouncing around to talk about different things ...

Fair enough.

Objectively, the rate of WDI making signifigant attractions to parks is a lower rate then the 70s 80s or 90s.

@Casper Gutman says it well.
We have gotten some cool big things in the scramble from stagnation, but the rate is still behind with weird swings and coaster heavy trends.

Better than 2014.