ToTBellHop
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They are talking about family Christmas traditions. We are close to Canada but I don’t bake maple leaf cookies.
I bake ‘Merica pies! I go with two incompatible flavors that clash violently in the middle.
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I bake ‘Merica pies! I go with two incompatible flavors that clash violently in the middle.
Dinoman96
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Yeah I imagine if you asked Joe Rohde about it, he'd probably give you that as an answer.
I always felt that there was a clear design choice on his and the Imagineering team's part to explicitly avoid doing rides that were just third person retellings (or "book reports" as we're calling them in this thread) like that in Animal Kingdom, as the park was meant to represent the guests' own adventure through these foreign lands, that's why practically every major attraction has always played out in first person (i.e Dr. Seeker sending us back in time to save Aladar, Flick doing a talent show trying to convince us why bugs are important in the world only for Hopper to invade and terrorize us, guests going on a safari in an African nature reserve (and even thwarting a poaching attempt in earlier iterations), etc.
I think the only major exception to this is like, Finding Nemo.
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Andrew C
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Not sure Canada does either
Kamikaze
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It has nothing to do with 'the times'. It has to do with the fact that the video is not from a member of this forum and thus is not part of the discussion. You don't have to get mad because you like the app. Its like someone linked to a post on The DIS and said 'this guy makes some good points'. If they wanted to discuss with that guy, they can do it there, not interrupting this forum/thread to do so. Same with TikityTokity. If you want to interact with their bad takes, do it there.Yeah. You’re a little behind on the times. That’s okay.
By the time of Frozen (mid 1800s), Norway, Sweden, and Denmark had been established nations/monarchies for many centuries.
Long gone is the time of independent monarchical city-states such as Arendelle seems to be. The three great powers were constantly vying to ultimate Scandinavian dominance for centuries prior and no small city-state would have been able to survive as an independent realm.
So, Frozen must exist in some alternate timeline in which Norway is still comprised of many city-state monarchies and hadn't been united centuries earlier, OR, it's some city-state/monarchy that held out from being assimilated into either Norway, Sweden, or Denmark for half a millennium. And even if it was a separate city-state and not part of a Norwegian government, it's still clear it sits on the Norwegian coast.
It is super-clear to everyone that this is an alternate timeline and Arendelle is a city-state monarchy located in Norway... except by those who hate the IP being added to the Norway Pavilion, who suddenly start taking issue with actual real-world geography and history in a movie with magical ice powers. Magical ice powers and real-world history normally don't co-exist with each other.
It's Norway. The film makers have said so. The cookie in the shape of Norway was a nose-tweak to Norway-deniers. Norway tourism board sponsors Frozen trips.
Only EPCOT purists refuse to believe Arendelle is set in Norway.
Long gone is the time of independent monarchical city-states such as Arendelle seems to be. The three great powers were constantly vying to ultimate Scandinavian dominance for centuries prior and no small city-state would have been able to survive as an independent realm.
So, Frozen must exist in some alternate timeline in which Norway is still comprised of many city-state monarchies and hadn't been united centuries earlier, OR, it's some city-state/monarchy that held out from being assimilated into either Norway, Sweden, or Denmark for half a millennium. And even if it was a separate city-state and not part of a Norwegian government, it's still clear it sits on the Norwegian coast.
It is super-clear to everyone that this is an alternate timeline and Arendelle is a city-state monarchy located in Norway... except by those who hate the IP being added to the Norway Pavilion, who suddenly start taking issue with actual real-world geography and history in a movie with magical ice powers. Magical ice powers and real-world history normally don't co-exist with each other.
It's Norway. The film makers have said so. The cookie in the shape of Norway was a nose-tweak to Norway-deniers. Norway tourism board sponsors Frozen trips.
Only EPCOT purists refuse to believe Arendelle is set in Norway.
ToTBellHop
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I’ve summered in Arendelle for years so I don’t know what’s wrong with some of the people in here. Definitely in Norway.
Here’s me in July of this year:
GoofGoof
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I think expanding Troptical Americas makes more sense. Nemo as an Encanto show or some other show that fits the theme. The the bridge over from EE becomes the clean break between Asia and Americas. Then make a more direct path into main Encanto area.
If they eventually did an Oceania land I’d rather see it behind Asia in expansion area….maybe by AK 40th anniversary
Disney Dad 3000
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I didn't see that in the Adventures by Disney guidebook. Is that a repeat customer offering or something?
ToTBellHop
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People around here know I’m kind of a big deal according to the Walt Disney Co. I mean, they made that new DCL Castaway Club for me.
You’re welcome for the APs returning.
TheMaxRebo
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the movies? no ... the storyline for EPCOT is that their Royal Summer Haus is located in Norway and that is where you meet Anna and Elsa
UNCgolf
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This is kind of silly and feels pretty disingenuous -- you could make similar claims about the setting of numerous Disney films if you want to do deep dives into design etc. Whether it's supposed to actually be Norway is really irrelevant to the film's plot and characters.
More importantly, whether the filmmakers intended it to be Norway is also irrelevant regarding whether it fits in the Norway pavilion as currently presented. It's super-clear to everyone it does not fit. The fact that it's such a horribly designed attraction only makes things worse.
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neo999955
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- In the Parks
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I think it's fair to say it's Norway based on all the clues in the movie. Here's an article summarizing it. Of course, Disney can put it wherever they want and claim what they want - but I think it matters the filmmakers were very inspired by Norway.
https://www.familysearch.org/en/blog/where-does-frozen-take-place-norway
https://www.familysearch.org/en/blog/where-does-frozen-take-place-norway
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JustInTime
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I am speaking for myself.
DCLcruiser
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Frozen in Norway is fine. My issue is the book report ride. Maelstrom was better, as a view into Norway’s history and present. I wish Frozen used their characters to tell a similar story about Norway. I’ve been to Norway, it’s an incredible place with a rich history.
UNCgolf
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This is my whole point. Using Frozen characters to tie into real world Norway would be fine, but that's not what they did. It's almost the Arendelle pavilion at this point (not entirely, though, which is good).
aladdin2007
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You can thank Staggs for greenlighting/shoehorning it in,,,,,,you can thank Magnum for retaining/saving it as Norway, as such....Had a sponsorship or government support come through things would probably be even a little more Norwegian, but were lucky to have what we have left. I still dont understand why Akershus is not a frozen character meal,,,,at least it would be fitting.
I hope just hope Stave church exhibit remains, I know all those items are on loan, but its well received. Now if they would just turn the sound/music back on in there......
Bocabear
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I think that might be overly harsh. I think the ride from the top of the lift hill to Elsa's Throne room feels like a lot is missing
That first turn in the show building when Olaf turns and walks toward the boats while singing, is pretty darn magical though...
It just feels like there was more designed that was cut leaving holes in the experience...
Feels like the "Horrible" could have been a budget because there are moments that are quite good.
aladdin2007
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its obvious the budget went to the new first floor new room (former queue), the finale new scene with anna and elsa,,,and to closing up the open rocks....... the upstairs scenes they didnt allocate enough money or planned it that way on purpose unfortunately.
UNCgolf
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The AAs are great (except for the terrible faces), but so much of the ride is just barren from a setting standpoint. It's also just "here are some characters from the movie singing songs from the movie" -- there's really nothing else to it than that. There's no other draw to it beyond the Frozen IP itself.
Horrible might be an overstatement, but I do think it's one of the weakest attractions at WDW (not counting flat rides). I think it would be the worst at EPCOT if Nemo and the terrible shell of Imagination didn't exist (the placesetting of the Mexico boat ride with the restaurant and temple is enough to put it ahead of FEA for me even if the rest of the ride is pretty bland).
UNCgolf
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Oh I absolutely agree they were inspired by Norway. I don't think that's in question. But, e.g., Skyrim also takes some inspiration from Norway.
I don't think taking inspiration from a real place is the same as saying it is that real place -- Arendelle is, after all, a fantasy kingdom with someone who can do ice magic. But, as I said above, I also think that's really beside the point when it comes to Frozen Ever After itself and its place in the Norway pavilion. Frozen could absolutely work well in the Norway pavilion; they just didn't choose to use it that way.
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