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Eisner at Epcot on NYE
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NemoRocks78
Seized
Yes, great story Tahu! Can't wait for the continuation. Roy may like it, you know...
FigmentJedi
Well-Known Member
Part 2:
Midnight approached, and Eisner was shocked and fearful at what he saw. It was the ghost of......................................... Walt Disney!
Walt: Do not be afraid Mr. Eisner,for I am the Ghost of Christmas past.
Eisner: What are you going to do?
Walt: I am going to show you your past, when you made good decisions that benifitted the company. Come.
And Walt took Eisner by the hand and they started a Journey into the past.It is around when Eisner and Wells stepped in and pretty much saved the company.
Walt: Do you remember?
Eisner: Yes,the company was in grave danger.
Walt: Do you believe that history can repeat itself?
Eisner: What does that have to do with anything?
Walt: Come. We are going to 1998.
They are outside Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. They see the protesters against tearing Toad down.
Walt: Eisner, did you not listen to the pleas of the guests.They loved Mr. Toad,and they wanted Pooh to go elsewhere.
Eisner: Yes, but Pooh was much more profitable.
Time forwards to closing time on Toad's last day.
Mr.Toad: But you can't take my home away! I am loved by many of the guests!
Misc.Cast Member: It's the end of the road, my friend.Time to go.
Toad: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Eisner pities poor Toad and the protesters.They wanted to save there favorite ride.
Walt: Come, we're going to Epcot.
They travel to 1999, when Horizons closed and Dreamfinder was already gone.
Walt: Though it may not be my vision, I am still impressed by it.
But look at dissapointed guests who lost Journey Into Imagination, Figment was deeply saddened by it all.
Figment: I feel so alone.My old friends have left me, even *sniff* Dreamfinder.
How will I go on,the Imagination Institute doesn't seem to care, they've been keeping me back. My Imagination can't even reverse this.
Walt: Figment's lost his spirit now that his fellow classic Epcot attractions are gone, and he is seperated from his family just as Test Track and Mission:Space will do with it's intense thrills. I started Disneyland so that families wouldn't be seperated this way. You need to appeal to all of the families that come from around the world to see the parks. I will take you back to your home, but remember that a second spirit will come, one that you might say is in your Imagination....
To be continued...
Midnight approached, and Eisner was shocked and fearful at what he saw. It was the ghost of......................................... Walt Disney!
Walt: Do not be afraid Mr. Eisner,for I am the Ghost of Christmas past.
Eisner: What are you going to do?
Walt: I am going to show you your past, when you made good decisions that benifitted the company. Come.
And Walt took Eisner by the hand and they started a Journey into the past.It is around when Eisner and Wells stepped in and pretty much saved the company.
Walt: Do you remember?
Eisner: Yes,the company was in grave danger.
Walt: Do you believe that history can repeat itself?
Eisner: What does that have to do with anything?
Walt: Come. We are going to 1998.
They are outside Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. They see the protesters against tearing Toad down.
Walt: Eisner, did you not listen to the pleas of the guests.They loved Mr. Toad,and they wanted Pooh to go elsewhere.
Eisner: Yes, but Pooh was much more profitable.
Time forwards to closing time on Toad's last day.
Mr.Toad: But you can't take my home away! I am loved by many of the guests!
Misc.Cast Member: It's the end of the road, my friend.Time to go.
Toad: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Eisner pities poor Toad and the protesters.They wanted to save there favorite ride.
Walt: Come, we're going to Epcot.
They travel to 1999, when Horizons closed and Dreamfinder was already gone.
Walt: Though it may not be my vision, I am still impressed by it.
But look at dissapointed guests who lost Journey Into Imagination, Figment was deeply saddened by it all.
Figment: I feel so alone.My old friends have left me, even *sniff* Dreamfinder.
How will I go on,the Imagination Institute doesn't seem to care, they've been keeping me back. My Imagination can't even reverse this.Walt: Figment's lost his spirit now that his fellow classic Epcot attractions are gone, and he is seperated from his family just as Test Track and Mission:Space will do with it's intense thrills. I started Disneyland so that families wouldn't be seperated this way. You need to appeal to all of the families that come from around the world to see the parks. I will take you back to your home, but remember that a second spirit will come, one that you might say is in your Imagination....
To be continued...
NemoRocks78
Seized
Still looking great! I love this! Keep on going! (I knew you were going to get Dreamfinder in there somewhere:lol: )
FigmentJedi
Well-Known Member
Chapter 3:
The bells rang again and Eisner encountered a jolly fellow surrounded by all sorts of things one may create with the Imagination.It was....... Dreamfinder!
Dreamfinder I am the ghost of Christmas Present!
Eisner: But your attraction left 5 years ago.
Dreamfinder: I am the Ghost of Christmas Present because many wish me present in the Current Journey Into Imagination ride.
Come Eisner, I fear Figment has taken a turn for the worst.
They go to a christmas party being held by Mickey.The guests include a large array of characters, animated and from the theme parks alike.
Mickey: My friends, I fear the company may go down the drain with Eisner around. I fear for many of our friends' future, for cel animation is soon to be no more.Their still is hope for us, as Roy has begun to gather help from the fans.Eisner is indeed a dirty Scrooge, but we still must remember that he ACTUALLY did have a kind heart once.
Figment: I still say God bless us everyone but him*gollum*He did tell the institute to pay more attention to us*gollum* But he partially caused Dreamfinder's dissapearance, precious.*gollum*But he says that he likes us*gollum* he doesn't like you at all.
Eisner:What could happen to him?
Dreamfinder: I fear that without me, Figment will slowly grow more insane and gollumish, he has shown bitterness to the Imagination Institute and Channing. I wish I could go back to him.*sigh*.Come, there is more to see.
*nearly dodges incoming protein spills from Mission Space*
Dreamfinder: Ummm... other then that. Now you must find compassion for the holidays.Let's go see Santa.
They flew to World Showcase and see the Council of the Santas, who show Eisner holiday joy, even though he's been on the naughty list for several years.
Dreamfinder: Christmas is a time for people to spend time with friends and family. A time of joy and cheer. Though Christmas is only one day a year, you can keep it's spirit with you all the time. Show that you care,even and most likely if it involves resigning.
Eisner: But why?
Dreamfinder: Because it may be the only way to reverse this mess. Think of Walt's question about the repeating of history. Youve been here a while and it may be time to go, as I will now. I leave you with the Ghost of Christmas Future.
To be Continued
The bells rang again and Eisner encountered a jolly fellow surrounded by all sorts of things one may create with the Imagination.It was....... Dreamfinder!
Dreamfinder I am the ghost of Christmas Present!
Eisner: But your attraction left 5 years ago.
Dreamfinder: I am the Ghost of Christmas Present because many wish me present in the Current Journey Into Imagination ride.
Come Eisner, I fear Figment has taken a turn for the worst.
They go to a christmas party being held by Mickey.The guests include a large array of characters, animated and from the theme parks alike.
Mickey: My friends, I fear the company may go down the drain with Eisner around. I fear for many of our friends' future, for cel animation is soon to be no more.Their still is hope for us, as Roy has begun to gather help from the fans.Eisner is indeed a dirty Scrooge, but we still must remember that he ACTUALLY did have a kind heart once.
Figment: I still say God bless us everyone but him*gollum*He did tell the institute to pay more attention to us*gollum* But he partially caused Dreamfinder's dissapearance, precious.*gollum*But he says that he likes us*gollum* he doesn't like you at all.
Eisner:What could happen to him?
Dreamfinder: I fear that without me, Figment will slowly grow more insane and gollumish, he has shown bitterness to the Imagination Institute and Channing. I wish I could go back to him.*sigh*.Come, there is more to see.
*nearly dodges incoming protein spills from Mission Space*
Dreamfinder: Ummm... other then that. Now you must find compassion for the holidays.Let's go see Santa.
They flew to World Showcase and see the Council of the Santas, who show Eisner holiday joy, even though he's been on the naughty list for several years.
Dreamfinder: Christmas is a time for people to spend time with friends and family. A time of joy and cheer. Though Christmas is only one day a year, you can keep it's spirit with you all the time. Show that you care,even and most likely if it involves resigning.
Eisner: But why?
Dreamfinder: Because it may be the only way to reverse this mess. Think of Walt's question about the repeating of history. Youve been here a while and it may be time to go, as I will now. I leave you with the Ghost of Christmas Future.
To be Continued
Figment1986
Well-Known Member
If i knew that i would ahev gone to epcot today, (had good plan for eisner too, )
(involved money and stocks)
(involved money and stocks)
General Grizz
New Member
Part 2:
FigmentJedi
Well-Known Member
Chapter 4:
Immeadiatly following Eisner's meeting with Dreamfinder, a dark figure stood in front of Eisner.The shadowy being brought him to an incredibly grim future.The parks were in poor upkeep, almost no one was in sight,and many characters suffered.Mickey had lost his home, ToonTown was in ruins,Figment had fallen further into dispair and fell into a coma like slumber, searching his own thoughts for Dreamfinder.Coasters had dotted the landscape and a horrible flag stood over our dear parks,the 6 flag.
Eisner: What happened?
The spirit showed that a horrible corperate takeover had took place,one by WB.The WB executives converted the parks to Six Flags and the characters mostly fled.Darkness fell on WDW as it became..... Six Flags over Florida!The thought of Cheap Thrills had taken hold of the park and many attractions were destroyed.Haunted Mansion,PotC,IaSW,and all the rest had been replaced by super intense roller coasters.The Six Flags people didn't take care of the parks,and they became irrecognisable.
Eisner: This is indeed horrendous.
The spirit pointed to a man,scraping the gum from under the bench.Tke a wild guess who it was.Eisner noticed that he himself had been reduced to such a low and he begged to the spirit.
Eisner: I can change this grim future can't I?
Eisner had began to sank into the goo and suddenly woke in his bed.
Eisner went to the window and spotted a little alien doggie.
Eisner: Stitch! What day is it?
Stitch(in best cockney accent): Why it's Christmas day Mr. Eisner.
Eisner tossed some money and said,
Eisner:Buy the big turkey, the size of Figment! And keep the change! I've got a phone call to make!
And so Eisner called up Dreamfinder and Figment was reunited with him and balance was on the way to being restored. Eisner lost his grudge with Roy and Stan and invited them to the party where he announced plans to resign and he said, that he managed to do something good by the end of his time at Disney.
The End
Immeadiatly following Eisner's meeting with Dreamfinder, a dark figure stood in front of Eisner.The shadowy being brought him to an incredibly grim future.The parks were in poor upkeep, almost no one was in sight,and many characters suffered.Mickey had lost his home, ToonTown was in ruins,Figment had fallen further into dispair and fell into a coma like slumber, searching his own thoughts for Dreamfinder.Coasters had dotted the landscape and a horrible flag stood over our dear parks,the 6 flag.
Eisner: What happened?
The spirit showed that a horrible corperate takeover had took place,one by WB.The WB executives converted the parks to Six Flags and the characters mostly fled.Darkness fell on WDW as it became..... Six Flags over Florida!The thought of Cheap Thrills had taken hold of the park and many attractions were destroyed.Haunted Mansion,PotC,IaSW,and all the rest had been replaced by super intense roller coasters.The Six Flags people didn't take care of the parks,and they became irrecognisable.
Eisner: This is indeed horrendous.
The spirit pointed to a man,scraping the gum from under the bench.Tke a wild guess who it was.Eisner noticed that he himself had been reduced to such a low and he begged to the spirit.
Eisner: I can change this grim future can't I?
Eisner had began to sank into the goo and suddenly woke in his bed.
Eisner went to the window and spotted a little alien doggie.
Eisner: Stitch! What day is it?
Stitch(in best cockney accent): Why it's Christmas day Mr. Eisner.
Eisner tossed some money and said,
Eisner:Buy the big turkey, the size of Figment! And keep the change! I've got a phone call to make!
And so Eisner called up Dreamfinder and Figment was reunited with him and balance was on the way to being restored. Eisner lost his grudge with Roy and Stan and invited them to the party where he announced plans to resign and he said, that he managed to do something good by the end of his time at Disney.
The End
niteobsrvr
Well-Known Member
I get kind of tired of these threads all heading off in the same direction. IT doesn't matter who is CEO. The next person to take the helm will also be criticized just like Eisner as they continue the time honored tradition of performing their duties manageing the company.
That being said, society is different today and the company is different to reflect that. Everything happening anywhere in this country is backed by one marketing study or another. If Disney were still doing business like they did 30 years ago the company wouldn't exist. If you don't believe that then go back to the days when Eisner managed to fend off the purchase and dismantling of the company.
More importantly, only about 10 to 20 percent of the guests who visit Disney parks actually know anything at all about the company, its founders, and its mission in the entertianment business. MOst of the guests can't even get the names of the rides right or even easier the name of the resort they are staying at this time.
That being said, society is different today and the company is different to reflect that. Everything happening anywhere in this country is backed by one marketing study or another. If Disney were still doing business like they did 30 years ago the company wouldn't exist. If you don't believe that then go back to the days when Eisner managed to fend off the purchase and dismantling of the company.
More importantly, only about 10 to 20 percent of the guests who visit Disney parks actually know anything at all about the company, its founders, and its mission in the entertianment business. MOst of the guests can't even get the names of the rides right or even easier the name of the resort they are staying at this time.
General Grizz
New Member
Oh that's clever. I love the metaphor! :animwink:
NemoRocks78
Seized
Bravo Tahu, bravo!!:sohappy: Great Story!
MartyMouse
New Member
Ok let’s look at this from an outsiders prospective and we all are unless your name is Disney.
Back in Walt’s day the company made a bunch of bad films and bombs just like in Mikes time, so what’s the problem here – Fantasia was a bigger tanker than Treasure Planet but yet people hang Mike out to dry because it didn’t break 100 mill.
Back in Walt’s (old) Roy would budget cut Walt all of the time – if he didn’t there would be no Walt Disney Company today. Hell if Mike took Disney to the point of bankruptcy as Walt did time and time again he would have been ousted years ago.
Hell we’re all upset about Roy leaving (as am I) but go back and read the history books – Walt never liked that kid it was little Roy who told Uncle Walt that Disneyland was a bad idea.
Eisner has done bad things and made mistakes and perhaps he isn’t keeping the right people around him, but he really is a nice guy. If you lived under a tenth of the pressure that Mike lives under you would be dead now. Give him some time to try and put things right, he may just surprise you. Remember back in the 80s when the company was falling apart – the studio couldn’t turn out a hit, the parks had no direction and the stock was in crapper? Who fixed it all?
The Disney you know and most of you grew up with was crafted by Mike – when he took over the world saw it as the second coming of Walt, Eisner would over see animation (with J.K.) and pick out carpet for hotels he was involved and the company was better for it, perhaps the mistake Eisner is making today is not being as involved as he once was.
Let him try to work it all out don’t let Roy bring down a great man who has made some mistakes (but still keeps the stock up). If the company flounders then I could see him stepping down but now is not the time.
Back in Walt’s day the company made a bunch of bad films and bombs just like in Mikes time, so what’s the problem here – Fantasia was a bigger tanker than Treasure Planet but yet people hang Mike out to dry because it didn’t break 100 mill.
Back in Walt’s (old) Roy would budget cut Walt all of the time – if he didn’t there would be no Walt Disney Company today. Hell if Mike took Disney to the point of bankruptcy as Walt did time and time again he would have been ousted years ago.
Hell we’re all upset about Roy leaving (as am I) but go back and read the history books – Walt never liked that kid it was little Roy who told Uncle Walt that Disneyland was a bad idea.
Eisner has done bad things and made mistakes and perhaps he isn’t keeping the right people around him, but he really is a nice guy. If you lived under a tenth of the pressure that Mike lives under you would be dead now. Give him some time to try and put things right, he may just surprise you. Remember back in the 80s when the company was falling apart – the studio couldn’t turn out a hit, the parks had no direction and the stock was in crapper? Who fixed it all?
The Disney you know and most of you grew up with was crafted by Mike – when he took over the world saw it as the second coming of Walt, Eisner would over see animation (with J.K.) and pick out carpet for hotels he was involved and the company was better for it, perhaps the mistake Eisner is making today is not being as involved as he once was.
Let him try to work it all out don’t let Roy bring down a great man who has made some mistakes (but still keeps the stock up). If the company flounders then I could see him stepping down but now is not the time.
General Grizz
New Member
Eisner has done a great many good things for the Walt Disney Company, and for this, he has been commended.
Times have changed. Although Walt Disney made a "mistake" with Fantasia, all of his works were made with quality and a vision of morale. Eisner has strictly gone against these morals - this great vision - in his mistakes. Thus, the main differenece we see here is direction and vision, not result.
And like any great Chinese Dynasty, it's time to move on Remember, it's the quality that has made the Walt Disney Company famous - not the monetary figures. Mr. Eisner's actions have been intolerable, and it's not worth "waiting to see what he will do." It's too late for that.
That being said, here's a comic drawn by an Orlando Sentinel reader that was in the paper today:
MartyMouse
New Member
No my friend; I would not dream to place Mike and Walt in the same league (the only other human who has lived who could come close was the late Jim Henson), but after Walt’s death the only person who was able to step up to the plate and lead this company was Mike. His stewardship of Disney is unparalleled, but after Frank died and Mike had his heart surgery the company did loose some direction and I’ll be the first to admit that Mike lost touch – but perhaps Roy leaving will cause a change in the company that can occur with Mike still in charge, give him some time to pick up the pieces.
All I’m saying is we are not in there, we don’t know all the goings on behind the scenes, Roy can only tell his side of things – give it some time before you start “demanding” the end of Mike.
The main reason I’m concerned about “bringing down Mike” is – who could step in and take over? – No one.
All I’m saying is we are not in there, we don’t know all the goings on behind the scenes, Roy can only tell his side of things – give it some time before you start “demanding” the end of Mike.
The main reason I’m concerned about “bringing down Mike” is – who could step in and take over? – No one.
General Grizz
New Member
It will be interesting to watch what happens.
But as for "no one..." . . .
No one?
GRIZZ FOR CEO!
:sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy:
prberk
Well-Known Member
Fantasia was not an immediate box office success, and in fact it cost a lot of money; BUT it was an investment that has paid for itself over and over again, including its establishment of the sorcerer Mickey character that has become a mainstay for the company. This is an example of how the so-called "bottom line" can often become misunderstood. Short-term profits are important, but more important is long-term investment and asset management.
This is what Eisner is most criticized for of late, not Treasure Planet's box office per se. It is his use of cheap sequels and other cheap things that come at the cost of Disney's overall sense of quality that comes into play here... and ultimately affects public perception of Disney as cheap (sequels, vs. say Pixar) or overpriced (DCA and hotels). This perception hurts good new projects (Brother Bear), just as well as the raised expectations that came from Beauty and the Beast/Mermaid helped bring new audiences to try Aladdin and Lion King. Then the cheap sequels came and eroded it again....
Don't forget that Roy O. Disney spent the last five years of his life taking "the company to the point of bankruptcy" building his brother Walt's dream in Florida.... the later revenue from which became nearly one quarter of the company's manageable revenue stream.
[And, yes, Eisner expanded on WDW, too, but it is the perception of quality and values that bring people to stay there; certainly not the hotel prices.]
And one more thing: as for your statement that most people don't know or care about Walt's vision, etc.: that is true only to the extent that the company has not kept that vision out front these last few years. People who remember him on TV still identify with Walt, even sometimes saying things like "Walt would be turning over in his grave..."
Younger people identified with this vision as late as the nineties when it was all over The Disney Channel and other places (even Discovery Channel) when programs such as Inside/Out constantly explored that vision.
The vision is as healthy as its messengers.
Sorry for the long post....
BTW, anyone see Eisner at EPCOT?
DisneyFan 2000
Well-Known Member
Believe me, I wouldn't be suprised if Roy was searching for a replacement right now! And look at the different side of the story! What could possibly make Roy leave his family company??? Eisner did everything to kick his @$$ out the door! That is being plain rude!!!!
And about Walts vision: Maybe if the WDC would understand his vision better maybe others would too! I'm only 15 years old and I'm already missing the "old days" when magic was still there!!!
LEAVE EISNER
MartyMouse
New Member
The company veered away from Walt’s vision long before Mike came onboard.
Look at Walt’s plans for Disney World (the E.P.C.O.T. project) the company years ago traded vision for the bottom line.
Before Mike when Roy still had some influence, the (original) concept for WDW being a large city was dumped (for cost reasons) and the EPCOT theme park was built (to make money).
When Mike commissioned the Celebration project that was as close as the company has ever come to sticking to “Walt’s vision”.
Look at Walt’s plans for Disney World (the E.P.C.O.T. project) the company years ago traded vision for the bottom line.
Before Mike when Roy still had some influence, the (original) concept for WDW being a large city was dumped (for cost reasons) and the EPCOT theme park was built (to make money).
When Mike commissioned the Celebration project that was as close as the company has ever come to sticking to “Walt’s vision”.