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ECV Rumor
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thelookingglass
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No we're hating on people who use obnoxiously big strollers.
JustInTime
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Yep. Not only do we both love LOST but we both dislike those BAS (big a** strollers).
ChrisFL
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NewfieFan
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I've never had an oversized stroller bother me in all my trips to WDW. I personally don't cart one around (I much prefer the compact travel strollers that are out there) but another's stroller has never affected my trip to WDW. It's never prevented me from getting a seat on a bus (I always use WDW transportation) and they've never been in my way! If anything I feel sorry for the family that's trying to hold on to their large stroller and corral two (or more) kids at the same time.
Anyways, back to the OT... I can see why they would ban the large ones... they are hard to get on the busses! And some of the busses you have to back the thing in. I watched one woman try to get hers on the bus and I thought she was going to take out a leg or too (actually she did hit my husband).
What I do find rude is the people who make comments out loud about these people. It is not our place to judge who needs these things and who doesn't. I'm sure there's people using them who are quite cabable of walking but there are those who NEED them... and you can't really tell the two apart.
I've become more aware now that my father has had an accident (broke his femur in two). To watch him get on the bus... he would probably look fine to you (small limp, nothing serious) but he would never be able to handle walking around the parks. After just a few minutes on his feet his leg and hip starts to ache (he had a rod and bolt going right down his bone). So even though people look able... it doesn't mean they are!
Anyways, back to the OT... I can see why they would ban the large ones... they are hard to get on the busses! And some of the busses you have to back the thing in. I watched one woman try to get hers on the bus and I thought she was going to take out a leg or too (actually she did hit my husband).
What I do find rude is the people who make comments out loud about these people. It is not our place to judge who needs these things and who doesn't. I'm sure there's people using them who are quite cabable of walking but there are those who NEED them... and you can't really tell the two apart.
I've become more aware now that my father has had an accident (broke his femur in two). To watch him get on the bus... he would probably look fine to you (small limp, nothing serious) but he would never be able to handle walking around the parks. After just a few minutes on his feet his leg and hip starts to ache (he had a rod and bolt going right down his bone). So even though people look able... it doesn't mean they are!
JWG
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_Scar
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Because they have a big family? Seriously, every stroller these days is compact and mobile. Strollers wouldn't fit inside the bus if it didn't crunch down. So, where is the logic in hating the obnxiously big strollers?
Love LOST, love BAS. Love em to death. :lookaroun
Thanks Seth... or are you Amy?
I'm so happy I made an SNL reference, but that wasn't my intention at all. :lol:
I'm just really surprised strollers are being bashed.
PS- When I was writing that post I was thinking more along the lines of Stan Marsh from South Park.
mhaftman7
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As far as the BAS are concerned. Generally they are folded up and stashed in the "loose areas". By that I mean the area between the fold up seats for ECVs and the regular seating. I have two kids so I have taken my stroller on the bus. With that being said, to the person who commented about 3 people taking up 5 seats. My wife or I sit with our younger child on our lap and the older son in the seat while the other stands with the stroller if the bus is crowded. If really crowded, my older son will stand with me.
My beef is the people that get on the buses with people with disabilities. Okay, I know it sounds bad, but hear me out. I understand that the people with disabilities NEED the assistance. I could understand one or two people getting on with the people with special needs, but when you have 5 or more people getting on with one person with special needs, my blood begins to boil. I waited in line with my two sons, holding the younger one, for almost an hour one evening and I counted TWELVE people get on with one special needs person. It was the difference between me and my family getting on the bus and having to wait an additional 15 minutes with two kids under, at the time, the age of 7.
Ultimately, for me, it all comes down to planning. If you are going during peak season, expect a longer wait, especially at the buses. If you are staying at a value resort, again, expect a longer wait. IMO, the higher the cost of the resort, the lesser the wait due to people not preferring to pay the higher prices. So if you don't like to wait in line, especially for transportation, you have to make the proper preparations. We have driven to WDW the last two trips, so we bit the bullet and paid to park. It was definitely worth the cost.
Sorry for the length.
My beef is the people that get on the buses with people with disabilities. Okay, I know it sounds bad, but hear me out. I understand that the people with disabilities NEED the assistance. I could understand one or two people getting on with the people with special needs, but when you have 5 or more people getting on with one person with special needs, my blood begins to boil. I waited in line with my two sons, holding the younger one, for almost an hour one evening and I counted TWELVE people get on with one special needs person. It was the difference between me and my family getting on the bus and having to wait an additional 15 minutes with two kids under, at the time, the age of 7.
Ultimately, for me, it all comes down to planning. If you are going during peak season, expect a longer wait, especially at the buses. If you are staying at a value resort, again, expect a longer wait. IMO, the higher the cost of the resort, the lesser the wait due to people not preferring to pay the higher prices. So if you don't like to wait in line, especially for transportation, you have to make the proper preparations. We have driven to WDW the last two trips, so we bit the bullet and paid to park. It was definitely worth the cost.
Sorry for the length.
ttalovebug
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That will probably be the requirement in the Shanghai park
:ROFLOL:Good one.
thelookingglass
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I don't think you've seen the monster strollers we're talking about. They don't fold up well, and even if they do fold up, they're still massive. Nothing wrong with having a double stroller, it just doesn't have to be a mobile play pen and storage unit for the family.
AEfx
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GrumpyFan
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Back to the original topic, if we may.
I have to wonder if this is a safety issue with the big ECVs. I mean, maybe they don't have the proper restraints on the busses to safely secure them.
No offense to the stroller people, but for us, we just waited until our kids were all old enough to walk and carry themselves before their first trip. We didn't want to deal with the hassle of pushing a stroller all day, then having to find it after we came out of every attraction. Plus, we just didn't think they would enjoy it enough or remember to make it worth the hassle. But, that's just us, I know everybody's different, and I'm not against those that choose to take or rent a stroller, just so long as they don't run me over.
I have to wonder if this is a safety issue with the big ECVs. I mean, maybe they don't have the proper restraints on the busses to safely secure them.
No offense to the stroller people, but for us, we just waited until our kids were all old enough to walk and carry themselves before their first trip. We didn't want to deal with the hassle of pushing a stroller all day, then having to find it after we came out of every attraction. Plus, we just didn't think they would enjoy it enough or remember to make it worth the hassle. But, that's just us, I know everybody's different, and I'm not against those that choose to take or rent a stroller, just so long as they don't run me over.
AEfx
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I am sure that is part of the issue. They are getting bigger, and bigger, and bigger.
I travel to WDW often with someone who has a wheelchair - a real, honest to goodness wheelchair, and cannot walk (i.e. not even one step, cannot stand, etc.) and while we certainly take advantage of the accommodations Disney provides to people with disabilities, we also try to be as respectful of other guests as possible. For example, if there is a huge line for the busses, yes because we cannot put the wheelchair in the queue we go to the front, but we often will wait for the next bus since we just don't feel it's right to jump in line in front of hundreds of people.
It's so frustrating when someone has a tourist ECV, jumps to the front with their 15 family members, then proceeds to take up half the bus with them. They spread out taking as much room as possible, and laugh and giggle about the "special treatment". More than once I've overheard people who do this say, "Hey, you use the ECV tomorrow" or other things that let you know that it's not exactly a disability problem. (Before someone jumps on me, yes, I know about "invisible" disabilities, but come on...does every 400 pound person at WDW have a real disability? I am especially suspicious when there is a couple who are both extremely overweight zipping around the parks together...so they both have the same invisible disability?)
I agree that there is no great way to handle this, because it's difficult to say who needs them and who does not, but this is a step in the right direction. It's a tough issue, and I am glad they are looking at it.
wishesjake
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I'm glad everyone is not this cynical.
No, we're hating on the ones that use their older children as an excuse to bring an SUV sized stroller into the park so they can have the entire contents of their rec room with them at all times.
TP2000
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I don't think anyone is saying people shouldn't bring kids in strollers to a theme park, nor are they saying handicapped folks shouldn't have a wheelchair. But what we are talking about are the rather selfish folks who have these giant rigs that take up way too much space and inconvenience others.
This type of obnoxious, massive, mega-stroller versus this type of small, collapsible, polite stroller...
There are clearly similar sizes and types of electric scooters versus wheelchairs, but I'm not about to start getting into posting pictures of those as I value my life.
Never mind that I have a good friend up in Seattle who raised two healthy, rambunctious boys and never once owned a stroller, only a baby carriage for when they were infants. They walked everywhere as they were growing up once they were past the age of 2, even their visits to Disneyland and DCA from age 3 to 8 where you walk EVERYWHERE for several days in a row. Their family took them hiking in the towering Cascade mountains and Washington state's rugged Olympic Peninsula as children, and never once whined about sitting in a mythical stroller. Those boys are in junior high now, and they are tall and slender and very fit, and not spending the first decade of their life being carted around in a stroller everywhere hasn't impacted their emotional or intellectual development in any way.
Go Google pictures of Disneyland in the 1950's, or even WDW in 1971 and it's hard to find strollers anywhere. Somehow human children survived to reach puberty without them until the late 20th century.
This type of obnoxious, massive, mega-stroller versus this type of small, collapsible, polite stroller...
There are clearly similar sizes and types of electric scooters versus wheelchairs, but I'm not about to start getting into posting pictures of those as I value my life.
Never mind that I have a good friend up in Seattle who raised two healthy, rambunctious boys and never once owned a stroller, only a baby carriage for when they were infants. They walked everywhere as they were growing up once they were past the age of 2, even their visits to Disneyland and DCA from age 3 to 8 where you walk EVERYWHERE for several days in a row. Their family took them hiking in the towering Cascade mountains and Washington state's rugged Olympic Peninsula as children, and never once whined about sitting in a mythical stroller. Those boys are in junior high now, and they are tall and slender and very fit, and not spending the first decade of their life being carted around in a stroller everywhere hasn't impacted their emotional or intellectual development in any way.
Go Google pictures of Disneyland in the 1950's, or even WDW in 1971 and it's hard to find strollers anywhere. Somehow human children survived to reach puberty without them until the late 20th century.
sophiesmom
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The thing that bugs me about strollers is that yes they are a necessary evil when you have young children but when you are letting your 7 and 8 year olds ride in them it is a different story. Sorry but after the age of 4 in our family if you can't walk around Disney we don't go. No I know there are children that age with hidden disabilities who may need this but that is not the case for the number of parents I saw pushing bigger kids around the park on our last trip. Oh and we never brought big obnoxious strollers we just rented the park ones or when DS was a infant we bought a small compactable
on the we could bring on the bus without annoying others or taking up room. As for EVC they do not bother me as long as they are not plowing me down in the park.
on the we could bring on the bus without annoying others or taking up room. As for EVC they do not bother me as long as they are not plowing me down in the park.
captainkidd
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Are you one of those people that won't give your seat up on a bus to a mother or father holding a small child?
As a parent of 3 kids (9, 3, 3), a double stroller is a necessity for us. We get the smallest, most convenient one possible, as it's a pain in the neck for US to carry on the buses. While on the bus, my wife stands while holding the stroller, while I sit with both kids on my lap if necessary.
thelookingglass
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Ok, I ALREADY SAID that I'm not talking about standard double strollers. Read the entire thread before posting and throwing out insults.
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