ECV abuse caught on camera...

Sam02

New Member
I'm not saying it's okay to use one of those things if you have no need for it. But for those people that you see "hop right off" one of those things, how do you know that he isn't physically capable of walking, but just not for long distances or long periods of time? Just today, I helped a guy at work (at Walmart), who was in an ECV. He bought a couple of molded pools and he needed help carrying them to the front. So I carried them to the front while he drove his electric wheelchair to the front. When he got to the front, he parked the vehicle, then took the pools and walked the rest of the way to his car.

I didn't assume that he's lazy and just got one of those things when he's perfectly capable of walking. I've seen plenty of people at Walmart (some of whom I know from church) who are able to walk, but the problem is with walking for extended periods of time. Sure, they can walk from their car to the Walmart entrance, but it's walking around for a long period in the store that they have a problem with. So they get one of those scooters. And whose to say that they aren't in some pain just from the walk into the store? Or even if the person is young and looks healthy in every other way, who's to say that he didn't kick his toe on the bathroom doorway this morning, breaking his toe? He would be able to walk, but be in alot of pain and, IMO, would be perfectly entitled to one of those machines rather than hobbling around all day at the MK with a broken toe.

Again, if a person is just getting one of those things to be lazy, then shame on them for taking up a machine that someone else may truly need. But if all we see is someone getting out of it and walking, without knowing any other facts, perhaps it's best to give them the benefit of the doubt rather than rushing to judgement.


My husband is one of those you might see "hop right off and walk." He's 35, not overweight, looks really healthy. He has Fibromyalgia though. Extended physical exertion will put him in bed for hours or days. He is debating getting an ECV for the very reasons people are saying on this thread....He's lazy, doesn't need one, just wants front of line privileges, etc.

It only took one day trip to our local amusement park and 2 DAYS in bed to convince him those whispers and stares will be worth it to enjoy the entire vacation with his kids.

I understand their is abuse of the system, but I also think that before we judge the majority of people who you "think" are abusing the system, take a step back and think they may not be.
 

firemandisney

New Member
Last August we took a trip to Disney World. My husband was in the advanced stages of stage IV colon cancer. We used a wheelchair for Epcot because of the long walks at that park. We did not get front of the line on a lot of rides, and we weren't looking for it either. My husband walked all the other parks and refused to use a wheelchair as he wanted to prove to the kids and I that he still could do it. He went to be with the Lord in November of 2007 with pride, and we are so very proud of him too.
Now this is a 100% correct definition of a HERO!
My sincere condolences.
I know of an old friend that i just found out is now in hospice with cancer.
I wish him and his family peace.
 

DznyGrlSD

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
Yes
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Taking bets on how long it takes this thread to get locked..
 

Phonedave

Well-Known Member
:sohappy: Ding, ding, ding! Take a look at one of his other vids.

He's walking around All Star Music making comments about getting drunk in the pool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJKKHymTDnw


Yeah, he seems like a real winner - and it shows. I love his taste in books.

I call his claims of medical need some very poorly thought out damage controll.


From his Bio.

Name: Josh
Age: 33

The Spheremaster channel itself is my core. Where did the title Spheremaster come from? Back in the day when I was a famous (yeah to me) Dungeon Master, I had this vision for a huge website based on a Dyson Sphere. I was to be the DM or GM or HD (head dork.) Thus Spheremaster. I don't know why I keep the name, I guess because I use it for everything now.

I am a public access producer turned You Tube nut. I live in Cranston, Rhode Island and like so many others out there I would LOOOOOVVVVVEE to get paid for doing this. I actually have enough footage stored up to produce five to ten films per day non-stop, but unfortunately I need a job and all. So, please, please if I do something on here that you would pay me for, let me know.


City: Lincoln, Rhode Island
Hometown: Lincoln, Rhode Island
Country: United States
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Occupation: Driver
Companies: Airport Taxi
Interests and Hobbies: making as many videos as I can without a hint of quality
Movies and Shows: babylon 5
Music: christian
Books: european arthurian erotic spiritual fantasy


I think I found his myspace too http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=53298532

This internet thing is fun :)

-dave
 

WickedQueen22

New Member
My husband is one of those you might see "hop right off and walk." He's 35, not overweight, looks really healthy. He has Fibromyalgia though. Extended physical exertion will put him in bed for hours or days. He is debating getting an ECV for the very reasons people are saying on this thread....He's lazy, doesn't need one, just wants front of line privileges, etc.

It only took one day trip to our local amusement park and 2 DAYS in bed to convince him those whispers and stares will be worth it to enjoy the entire vacation with his kids.

I understand their is abuse of the system, but I also think that before we judge the majority of people who you "think" are abusing the system, take a step back and think they may not be.


Your husband could always drool a wee bit out of his mouth... kidding complete sarcasm

My coworker has that also... she often is bound to her chair. I feel for your family. Hopefully he comes to realize his familys vacation will be so much more fufilling if he takes it easy.
 

daliseurat

Member
I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt about his condition. He still made a video that doesn't mention it. He made a video telling everyone, meaning HEALTHY people that they could just easily rent them and abuse the system. All he had to do was say, "If you've got a condition that makes it difficult for you to walk around a themepark without endangering your health, then you should rent an EVC." Instead he makes an irresponsible video and then has to backpeddle and explain himself. Sad, just sad. He's probably influenced a number of people who REALLY don't need one to rent one. And the next time he goes and needs one, it'll be too late. Sorry, we just rented the last 4 out to the joyriding teenagers!
 

ldsprincess

New Member
omg, that annoys me too...but w/e i guess. people will do what they do. Honestly, though, i would hate sitting in that chair all day riding around. i think i would really want to walk! lol. Those people get caught up in the crowds and stuff. walking is easier if you can do it and really makes you appreciate the down time that you do get so much better.
 

allentownguy

New Member
all i can say is wow, i just had to post this comment on his page and i am adding a link to a video he made. a person that has the medical problems he says he has could not do what he was doing in this video. sorry i just had to vent:fork:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkWlZ0_2bYw

"Join the masses of the old and lame and don't tire yourself out exploring the Magic Kingdom... 40 bucks and you get the best ride in the park guaranteed!"

this is just wrong, i have fibromyalgia and as far as back problems go i have 2 compressed vertebrae and 2 hernated discs. i was going to post a positive comment, but after seeing your video your made for nesquick. no person with these problems could run and jump off a swing set like i have just seen you do... shame on you
 

sbkline

Well-Known Member
Just getting my post in before this thread gets locked ...

:)

Ya, I generally find these kinds of threads to be very pointless and are basically nothing more than a cyber-lynch mob. Kind of like those pedophile threads where everyone and their grandma has to take their turn saying what vile filth these people are. Granted, I'm not attempting to defend pedophiles, or lazy people who rent ACV's or whatever other type of "bad guy" is being targeted in that particular thread. I'm just saying I don't understand why the need to line up and make sure you're heard (or in this case, seen) denouncing someone. I guess it makes us all feel more righteous about ourselves if we can pound on our chest and make sure that everyone else sees us talking about what vile scum these people are.

Threads like this generally get locked because there is no discussion value, other than trying to see if you can outdo everyone else in the manner in which you condemn a person. :lol:
 

jmvd20

Well-Known Member
Exception rather than the rule.
Like welfare..You have a few folks out of a hundred that truly need it.
the rest just completly abuse the system.
I agree with your experience and comments as a whole but this video on youtube pretty much is an example of the vast majority of folks who use them at DISNEY.

The reality is that the FEW people who abuse it make the MAJORITY of people who do not abuse it - look bad.
 

DHStutzman

New Member
allentown! shoutout from a readingguy! PArepresent....
aha spheremaster...
Soooo coooolll
wonder if he still has his Wham! teeshirt?
 

jmvd20

Well-Known Member
I can agree with that but i would be willing to bet that there are far more than a FEW that abuse it.

I guess that would depend upon the definition of "few" :D

In my opinion the people that abuse these things are remembered or noticed more than the people who need them.

If you see a person who was in a wheelchair jump up and down after a ride it would stick in your memory more than a person who was helped into the same chair after a ride. This could give many the impression that more people abuse the system than actually need it.
 

shmmrname

Active Member
Such deep concern for mankind... It's unfortunate, I just hope these kinds of sentiments don't creep into the psyche of those that require assistance. I am fortunate to not face challenges in mobility, but I know I would at least temporarily worry what others were glaring at.

If anyone reading this thread is at all worried about a trip to WDW because there's so many judgmental know-it-alls, please remember: It's your vacation, you don't need to hurt yourself just to avoid some bystander guilt-trips. And, believe it or not, you really shouldn't care about their opinion anyway.
 

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