Drowning in pop century hotel.

[J_Carioca]

Bad parenting, IMO. Do you recall the Fort Wilderness bus hitting the kid back in 2010? Sad.

What is the point of criticizing these parents when you know nothing about what happened? This is mostly hearsay and we have NO idea what happened. It's entirely possible that the parents could have been nearby. Drowning does not always look dramatic, you know - it isn't necessarily someone flailing around in the water - people can just go down. I know because I've seen it happen - I was at a small swimming pool when a family member started to drown. She made no noise and no motions - just started going down. Fortunately she was saved. My point is that I can completely see this happening at a busy pool, whether there were parents or lifeguards around or not. Please, let's not criticize the parents when we know nothing about the circumstances.

 

[Gabe1]

FYI this isn't the first insident like this at Disney so I would not look for them to freak. Fortunately for the amount of guests in the water, the percentage is extremely low.


"Deputies did not identify the child, but said he was vacationing with his family from Missouri.
Witnesses told deputies the boy was playing and jumping in the water with relatives Sunday.
Several minutes passed without the boy being seen by his family, when his cousin spotted him under water, the Sheriff's Office said.
Deputies said the boy's cousin pulled him out of the pool, and the child's father immediately began CPR."

Orlando Sentinel

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...isney-hotel-drowning-20130310,0,2422606.story

 

[Poofiesdream]

Prays for a complete fast recovery.

 

[GrumpyFan]

Bad parenting, IMO. Do you recall the Fort Wilderness bus hitting the kid back in 2010? Sad.

Kind of soon and very judgmental considering we have no real details yet of what happened, don't you think?

 

[Kramerica]

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Hey @Kramerica which pool is this?

the hippy dippy

 

[tissandtully]

Kind of soon and very judgmental considering we have no real details yet of what happened, don't you think?

I agree, also adding "IMO" doesn't make your comment any less insensitive.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Anyway, my reaction was out of line and I am sorry that it even went as far as it did.

Thank you for that.

 

[DrewmanS]

I was a lifeguard at a Six Flags park years ago, also trained under Ellis - very thorough and intense training, and like you said, 4 hours of inservice each month. Part of the inservice was, like you said, reviewing lifeguarding skills, CPR and first aid. We were even tested with fake emergency scenarios and had to run everything through from beginning to end, and unlike Red Cross (which renews certification every 3 years) we had to get renewed every year.

Each guard is assigned a zone to scan (specifically told to scan the bottom of the pool as well) and there's a specific procedure when it comes to changing shifts...if done correctly a zone should never not be watched at a given time. So I'm with you...I'd like to believe that this was an accident that happened when they weren't on duty.

My two boys and I were at Wilderness Lodge last year when they were doing some training. We went for a swim in the morning and there were about 20 life guards at the pool. During the drills, there would be a life guard at each station on duty watching guests, life guards participating in the training next to each station, and about 10 in the pool pretending to be guests. After about 15 minutes, a life guard in the pool would slowly sink to the bottom. Once the person was spotted, the instructors would confirm it was part of the drill and the training lifeguards would go into action leaving the on-duty life guards to continue to watch the pool. After the rescue was complete, the did a quick debrief, rotated positions (including on-duty life guards) and 15 minutes later there was another rescue. I was impressed with the training but was surprised the did it with guests in the pool. I guess it added to the real world training since you had to scan the whole pool, not just look for a life guard laying on the bottom.

 

[Kramerica]

The article has the wrong pool. It was the hippy dippy. The paramedics rushed right through the lobby and to the near side of the hippy dippy

 

[Mawmaw T]

My prayers for the child and his family. Please people, stop and think and dont pass judgement on others before even knowing what happened. I know that most people are basically kind and probably dont realize how hurtful their words could be to someone who is already experiencing this most painful tragedy! (Bad Parenting?) So I pray for you as well that you never have to eat your words as a cruel world watches, points fingers and places blame.

 

[captainkidd]

Not true, I know 1 of the values and I'm pretty sure it's Pop is open 24/7. Says so on the "pool rules" sign.

This is a sad story and I hope the boy recovers but at the same time, I hope Disney doesn't freak out and start closing pools at 9pm or whenever the life guards get off.

I would think it's the quiet pools that would be open 24/7. The Deluxes have pools like that as well, but the main pool closes at midnight.

 

[captainkidd]

My guess is, after this, we'll see all pools closing at a designated time once the lifeguards go home.

 

[Lisalyn]

The Sentinel updated at 1207 p.m. - still in critical condition. It mentions he was playing with other family members...then wasn't seen for a couple minutes and that is when he was discovered under water. Father administered CPR till rescue showed up.

At this point it doesn't matter who is or isn't at fault. It actually could just be an accident so let's hope and pray he recovers and his family gets the much needed support during this difficult time.

 

[Polydweller]

My guess is, after this, we'll see all pools closing at a designated time once the lifeguards go home.

They actually do now. At the Poly they put out sandwich boards that say that there is no lifeguard on duty and swim at your own risk. That's basically closure.

 

[G00fyDad]

My guess is, after this, we'll see all pools closing at a designated time once the lifeguards go home.

I doubt it. Disney is covered by the posting of warning signs, and this isn't their first rodeo with a pool issue.

 

[PhotoDave219]

I would think it's the quiet pools that would be open 24/7. The Deluxes have pools like that as well, but the main pool closes at midnight.

In this case, several media outlets are quoting Disney as saying the lifeguards are on until 8pm.

 

[G00fyDad]

They actually do now. At the Poly they put out sandwich boards that say that there is no lifeguard on duty and swim at your own risk. That's basically closure.

No. That's putting out a sign to cover their rears. Which is absolutely fine.

 

[captainkidd]

I doubt it. Disney is covered by the posting of warning signs, and this isn't their first rodeo with a pool issue.

From a legal standpoint, absolutely, they have nothing to worry about. It's more of a PR issue. Sort of like when those guests died after riding Mission:Space. It was confirmed that they had pre-existing conditions, taking any blame off of Disney. Nevertheless, the ride was toned down some, then the non-spinning version was added.

Don't get me wrong - It shouldn't have to come to that, but in today's sue-happy world and where public image is so important, it's likely to at least see some changes.

 

[drew81]

I'm praying for this young man and his family. My heart goes out to them.

 

[G00fyDad]

From a legal standpoint, absolutely, they have nothing to worry about. It's more of a PR issue. Sort of like when those guests died after riding Mission:Space. It was confirmed that they had pre-existing conditions, taking any blame off of Disney. Nevertheless, the ride was toned down some, then the non-spinning version was added.

Yeah, but Disney toned down half of the ride to make it possible to still draw a crowd for an attraction that was scaring some people away from the ride. Closing the pool completely would not accomplish anything in that respect. Disney will just continue business as usual. The only way they could mitigate this issue is to build large fences around each pool (larger than AoA) and lock them with RFID pads so they auto lock after 8pm. And I just cannot see Disney going that extra mile for this.