Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[oceanbreeze77]

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We also have a responsibility to our families. And to not expose our at-risk family members to the virus. And to our students and our students' families. If there is a safer way to deliver instruction, then that needs to be considered. Believe it or not, I suspect there are very few teachers, including me, who would rather NOT go back to school and be with students. There is a difference between possible passing exposure in a store, etc (and believe me, I am NOT minimizing the risk that grocery store workers, etc deal with on a daily basis) and 20-30 people in a confined space for hours. And I'm actually not scared for myself...I'm concerned for my at-risk husband. And at some point, I'd really like to see my parents again.

I'm so sorry for the way that teachers are being ignored. I have many teacher friends who will not go back if they are told they have to. Teachers should have more power in this world. We wouldn't be anywhere if it weren't for teachers ❤

 

[legwand77]

Still misses the issue: Protecting the COMMUNITY.
Much like mask wearing.

Yes, parents can choose not to send their own kids. But for all the parents that do send their kids -- Those kids can become the source of massive community wide spread.

Let's put it this way....... [Footnote, I admit I DONT KNOW... these are questions to defer to the experts]: If you take a town with 10,000 residents, including 1,000 students. If there are currently only about 5 infections per week in the town, and virtually zero deaths... so very limited viral spread..
And if opening the schools was going to increase that to 150 infections per week and 5 deaths per month... Is it worth opening schools?

Or let's look at NYC.... Now, under 20 deaths per day. If re-opening schools brings back 1000+ deaths per day, is it worth re-opening schools?

The question is -- Can schools be re-opened without significantly increasing community spread. I don't know the answer. I doubt you know the answer either.
That's the question that needs to be put to true public health experts, before decisions are made on opening schools.

If there is a significant threat to the community close schools, but teachers would then have to take a significant pay cut or furlough.

 

[havoc315]

Did not misunderstand at all, you got it all twisted. Never said someone gets admitted just because they are asymptomatic Covid, just said if they are admitted/hospitalized for other reasons and also test postive for Covid they are counted as a covid hosptalization and put in the Covid ward. It is a burden to the covid units.

He literally said they would not need to be hospitalized for Covid absent the other conditions they came to the hospital for. Like I mentioned previously might be best to go to the source which is easily found but I will link it for you. I am thinking we are saying the same thing



ETA love that thumbnail for the video

lol... Love how you are trying to re-write the history of what you said. These were your exact words.. quoting you exactly:

"broken leg no other issues but covid test positive you are a covid hospitalization"

You said it right there -- You said someone with a broken leg and Covid positive becomes a Covid hospitalization. That is a false statement.

Yes, everyone in the hospital who is Covid-positive, gets infection control measures. That's called good medicine. In fact, doing anything else would be horrendous grievous malpractice.

But no, if you are asymptomatic but test positive, you are not admitted for a broken leg!!

 

[Andrew C]

Still misses the issue: Protecting the COMMUNITY.
Much like mask wearing.

Yes, parents can choose not to send their own kids. But for all the parents that do send their kids -- Those kids can become the source of massive community wide spread.

Let's put it this way....... [Footnote, I admit I DONT KNOW... these are questions to defer to the experts]: If you take a town with 10,000 residents, including 1,000 students. If there are currently only about 5 infections per week in the town, and virtually zero deaths... so very limited viral spread..
And if opening the schools was going to increase that to 150 infections per week and 5 deaths per month... Is it worth opening schools?

Or let's look at NYC.... Now, under 20 deaths per day. If re-opening schools brings back 1000+ deaths per day, is it worth re-opening schools?

The question is -- Can schools be re-opened without significantly increasing community spread. I don't know the answer. I doubt you know the answer either.
That's the question that needs to be put to true public health experts, before decisions are made on opening schools.

You question really doesn’t need the be addressed. The CDC never had school closures in their guidance to begin with and still don’t. And I believe that the AAP agrees that kids need to be back in school this fall for a number of reasons. Bottom line, absolutely worth the risk, which is low enough for the CDC not to recommend closing at all.

 

[Andrew C]

I'm so sorry for the way that teachers are being ignored. I have many teacher friends who will not go back if they are told they have to. Teachers should have more power in this world. We wouldn't be anywhere if it weren't for teachers ❤

Are you sorry for the way many other essential workers are being ignored? Or just teachers? You are right. We wouldn’t be anywhere without teachers. That’s why the are essential and should be deemed as such.

 

[coasterphil]

sorry, what is a purchase order?

How an order is secured with a vendor. It's a poor indication to try to prove that Disney is planning to close, unless there is a lot more info behind it.

The more likely reason POs have been cut/scaled back are that Disney doesn't know what to expect and margins are so poor that they can't afford to risk a mistake. Also, I'd assume all businesses that got burned with excess inventory during the initial shutdown have rethought their buying strategies. I don't think anyone will be keeping a ton of product/supply on hand, if they can even get it with all the supply chain issues, for the foreseeable future.

 

[mellyf]

All the essential workers also have a responsibility to their families. There are safer was to distribute food, delivery etc. but stores still have to stay open. Grocery store workers come in to contact with hundreds of people a day, and by primariliy adults (a good percentage of those not wearing masks) whose viral loads are much higher if infected. Staying inside a building for hours.

I understand that grocery store workers come into contact with hundreds of people a day. The difference is that at least from what I've read, and I know someone will correct me if I'm wrong, there's a greater danger of transmission with prolonged contact. Which is what hours in a classroom would be as opposed to contact in a store.

And I absolutely feel terrible for any essential worker. Especially those who come into contact with people who do not feel obligated to show the courtesy of wearing a mask around them.

 

[legwand77]

lol... Love how you are trying to re-write the history of what you said. These were your exact words.. quoting you exactly:

"broken leg no other issues but covid test positive you are a covid hospitalization"

You said it right there -- You said someone with a broken leg and Covid positive becomes a Covid hospitalization. That is a false statement.

Yes, everyone in the hospital who is Covid-positive, gets infection control measures. That's called good medicine. In fact, doing anything else would be horrendous grievous malpractice.

But no, if you are asymptomatic but test positive, you are not admitted for a broken leg!!

Glossing over all your others points that were debunked and splitting hairs there I would say, just used broken leg (some people do get hopitalized for broken legs, just saying) since that was ONE of the examples, try auto accident, heart attack.

 

[havoc315]

You question really doesn’t need the be addressed. The CDC never had school closures in their guidance to begin with and still don’t.

wow.... the amount of misinformation...

CDC guidance on school closures:

"There is a role for school closure in response to school-based cases of COVID-19 for decontamination and contact tracing (few days of closure), in response to significant absenteeism of staff and students (short to medium length, i.e. 2-4 weeks of closure), or as part of a larger community mitigation strategy for jurisdictions with substantial community spread* (medium to long length, i.e. 4-8 weeks or more of closure). "

 

[legwand77]

I understand that grocery store workers come into contact with hundreds of people a day. The difference is that at least from what I've read, and I know someone will correct me if I'm wrong, there's a greater danger of transmission with prolonged contact. Which is what hours in a classroom would be as opposed to contact in a store.

true but you have better control in a classroom, most are opening with plexiglass dividers around every desk per cdc , 6 foot spacing etc. I would feel much much safer (at least from Covid) in a group of school age children all day everyday than working in a grocery store as cashier, and facing the general public include the no mask wearing angry people.

 

[Andrew C]

wow.... the amount of misinformation...

CDC guidance on school closures:

"There is a role for school closure in response to school-based cases of COVID-19 for decontamination and contact tracing (few days of closure), in response to significant absenteeism of staff and students (short to medium length, i.e. 2-4 weeks of closure), or as part of a larger community mitigation strategy for jurisdictions with substantial community spread* (medium to long length, i.e. 4-8 weeks or more of closure). "

Do I need to breakdown what this means and provide the additional context, or do you got it? Lol.

 

[mellyf]

If there is a significant threat to the community close schools, but teachers would then have to take a significant pay cut or furlough.

This cracks me up...I worked MORE hours when we were distance learning! It was incredibly time intensive.

 

[havoc315]

Glossing over all your others points that were debunked and splitting hairs there I would say, just used broken leg (some people do get hopitalized for broken legs, just saying) since that was ONE of the examples, try auto accident, heart attack.

Very few get hospitalized for broken legs. You didn't debunk a single word I said. Everything I said was accurate -- please, point to any one statement that I said which was wrong.
You kept saying an implying that asymptomatic people were being hospitalized if they tested positive for Covid.

 

[legwand77]

This cracks me up...I worked MORE hours when we were distance learning! It was incredibly time intensive.

This is also this case (had to work harder) with most employes that had to shift to WFH and they took pay cuts and/or got furloughed.

 

[havoc315]

Do I need to breakdown what this means and provide context, or do you got it? Lol.

You said CDC never gave school closure guidance. That was false. Very clearly, they said it has a role as a mitigation measure in areas with substantial community spread. Which is exactly what I said -- the experts need to determine the degree to which school openings/closures would affect substantial community spread.
There likely isn't a universal answer for all areas: It will depend on the degree of existing community spread, it will depend on certain individualized factors of the community (for example, do students take mass transit on one extreme, or do they all walk to school on the other extreme).

 

[mickeymiss]

3 Popular OC Restaurants Close Due to Employees Testing Positive for Coronavirus

Plus, more reopenings throughout LA, Kismet Falafel closes, and Mariscos Jalisco heads to the Westside

la.eater.com

Have friends that ate at Javier's, a very popular Mexican restaurant in Newport Beach mentioned here, only to be called by the health department to let them know they were exposed. The restaurant had since closed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/voraciously/wp/2020/06/17/there-is-no-playbook-restaurants-are-closing-again-after-workers-test-positive-for-coronavirus/

Sorry I meant infections directly linked to transmission at a restaurant. One employee testing positive could have been someone who caught it at home or a party. My state has had a handful of those. None of them became outbreaks. One recent case here was isolated and all exposed staff tested negative. I'm seeking media or health department confirmed outbreaks of more than one person traced to dining at a guideline following restaurant. I'll even take suspected outbreaks of more than one person confirmed by health departments or media sources that ate at a restaurant . Employees have a different risk scenario so I'm looking for customer transmission.

 

[mellyf]

true but you have better control in a classroom, most are opening with plexiglass dividers around every desk per cdc , 6 foot spacing etc. I would feel much much safer (at least from Covid) in a group of school age children all day everyday than working in a grocery store as cashier, and facing the general public include the no mask wearing angry people.

I'm sorry, I will try to stop after this, but I've been teaching a long time. I've got a pretty good handle on discipline, but to talk about "better control in a classroom" especially when you're talking about very young children (ex Kindergarten/1st grade), some of those children have multiple daily meltdowns in the best of times. I teach 5th grade, and I love it. They're my people and I want to be with them. But even at 10/11 years of age, many children have impulse control issues. They're KIDS. To think of them as little soldiers, sitting quietly behind their plexiglass divider is ludicrous. And I'll be surprised if my district (or "most" districts) have plexiglass dividers around every desk. My classroom won't fit 20 children with 6 feet of distancing. I don't have desks in my room, I have tables because we like the sense of community. It's possible that each child could have their own trapezoid table. I have a dozen of them, but from what I understand, most of our classrooms will only be able to 8 or 9 students w/ appropriate distancing. The guidelines that schools are trying to deal with make no sense to anyone with an understanding of what an actual classroom with real live students involves.

And I'm not sure what is going to happen when a teacher needs to take a sick day or take his/her child to a Dr's appointment. I can't imagine that getting a substitute is even going to be an option. Subs are already in very short supply, and I can't imagine that many are going to want to into a situation like this.

 

[Andrew C]

You said CDC never gave school closure guidance. That was false. Very clearly, they said it has a role as a mitigation measure in areas with substantial community spread. Which is exactly what I said -- the experts need to determine the degree to which school openings/closures would affect substantial community spread.
There likely isn't a universal answer for all areas: It will depend on the degree of existing community spread, it will depend on certain individualized factors of the community (for example, do students take mass transit on one extreme, or do they all walk to school on the other extreme).

I said (or meant) they never recommended school closures as part of their guidance. They did provide a tree to follow if local communities wanted to put closures on the table. Maybe worded poorly on my end.

what you left out was all the other information the CDC provided around schools like the available modeling as an example. Not to mention their current stance. And the stance of the AAP.

 

[Touchdown]

Source?

Medicare rules and guidelines. The ER (is a very expensive) clinic in Medicare guidelines, whatever happens there is considered outpatient.

 

[xdan0920]

I'm sorry, I will try to stop after this, but I've been teaching a long time. I've got a pretty good handle on discipline, but to talk about "better control in a classroom" especially when you're talking about very young children (ex Kindergarten/1st grade), some of those children have multiple daily meltdowns in the best of times. I teach 5th grade, and I love it. They're my people and I want to be with them. But even at 10/11 years of age, many children have impulse control issues. They're KIDS. To think of them as little soldiers, sitting quietly behind their plexiglass divider is ludicrous. And I'll be surprised if my district (or "most" districts) have plexiglass dividers around every desk. My classroom won't fit 20 children with 6 feet of distancing. I don't have desks in my room, I have tables because we like the sense of community. It's possible that each child could have their own trapezoid table. I have a dozen of them, but from what I understand, most of our classrooms will only be able to 8 or 9 students w/ appropriate distancing. The guidelines that schools are trying to deal with make no sense to anyone with an understanding of what an actual classroom with real live students involves.

You’re 100000% right. The CDC guidance is a joke. My wife is a 6th grade teacher, and she laughed out loud at the recommendations. However, she also knows school needs to be open, and held in person. It’s not even up for debate. Do the best we can, and teach the kids, not having school will have incalculable negative ramification. We simply can’t afford to go down that road as a country.