Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[Parker in NYC]

It's comical, and sad, to see the same person post "US had the lowest total of deaths for the day" a few weeks ago and then now "well, let's wait and look at when the deaths occured".............

Stop engaging. Know that it's now a minority opinion - however loud and insistent.

 

[kong1802]

Stop engaging. Know that it's now a minority opinion - however loud and insistent.

It's gotten to a real comedic point now, though.

Kind of like our favorite "movie insider" lol

 

[Parker in NYC]

It's gotten to a real comedic point now, though.

Kind of like our favorite "movie insider" lol

Then maybe... WDW will close again? Has he been seen? What's his take on this?

 

[Jrb1979]

It's comical, and sad, to see the same person post "US had the lowest total of deaths for the day" a few weeks ago and then now "well, let's wait and look at when the deaths occured".............

I honestly think it's they are trying to convince people that things aren't that bad that we should shutdown again. No one is saying that instead maybe do something like make masks mandatory. Thoughts and prayers do nothing.

 

[legwand77]

Its why many are saying more should be done to slow the spread. Maybe you have to start fining people for not following social distancing. Here it's almost $900 for not complying. People are listening. Masks are mandatory now. Its working here now that almost everything is open minus theme parks, movie theaters and casinos.

In my opinion it is more the fact of where you are geographically, look at where all the outbreaks are now, the very southern part of the US

 

[kong1802]

I honestly think it's they are trying to convince people that things aren't that bad that we should shutdown again. No one is saying that instead maybe do something like make masks mandatory. Thoughts and prayers do nothing.

It's just hillarious that when a stat works in "their" favor they post it.

Then when, as most people predicted, the stat worsens, it's now questionable...

Funny when the questioning process kicks in, isn't it?

 

[Jrb1979]

In my opinion it is more the fact of where you are geographically, look at where all the outbreaks are now, the very southern part of the US

I don't care where it's happening cause the measures that most places have put in place works. Where a mask, practice physical distancing, wash hands and STAY HOME IF YOU ARE SICK. For some reason the southern part of the US has not interest in that. Start fining people who don't follow those rules.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Still doesn't mean nothing should be done. IMO if you feel safer at theme parks then why can't they make all businesses follow the same rules.

I say, let's start telling people outside of the Walt Disney World Resort to wear their masks and "Have a magical day!" Maybe that'll do the trick? Maybe a $25.47 Taste of Epcot Food and Wine passcode for shopDisney if they comply? It'll still be $25.47 but the merchandise is exclusive to Annual Maskholders.

 

[marni1971]

Cases are trending up. Deaths are trending up. You can’t even apologise for this mess.

Theres a slow murmur inside the company that’s slowly getting louder about staying open.

 

[DisneyCane]

You're missing the point of a lockdown. It's not solely a question of whether virus is spreading inside the doors of the business. It's about whether the virus is spreading in the Uber on the way to the business. It's about whether people are congregating outside the business. It's about whether employees have to take mass transit or carpool to get to work at the business, during which time virus spreads.

And yes, the hard lock downs do smash the virus. "Several hundred cases per day" in places with populations in the tens of millions -- that is indeed smashed. France, for example, when from over 4,000 cases per day... Over the last 2 months, down to 400-600 cases per day. The population of France is 3 times the population of Florida -- So that would be the equivalent of Florida having only 100-200 cases per day, as opposed to 10,000 per day. Yes, I'd say 95-99% fewer daily cases is smashed.




Yes, let's use Spain as an example. Perfect.
Population of Spain -- 47 million.
Population of Florida -- 21.5 million.

Spain case peak: About 7,800 Florida peak-- unknown at this time, but maybe about 11,000
Spain 7 day average through June -- About 350 cases.
Now in July, a couple months after the end of the lockdown, cases are starting to rise again -- They are back up to about 1400.
Current in Florida -- 11,000 on average.
So... population of 47 million -- 2-3 months after end of a hard lock down, only 1400 cases.
Florida, population of 21 million, 2-3 months after end of a very soft lock down, 11,000 cases.

So Florida has about 20x more daily cases on a population-adjusted basis.




You're missing the whole point --- So you're saying, there is no difference between 500 cases and 10,000 cases. No difference between 300,000 deaths and 3,000 deaths??

As you just said -- Lockdowns suppress spikes --- So if you suppress the spikes and keep them low enough, while you develop improved treatments and vaccines -- you save lives!!!!! Hundreds of thousands of lives!!!

You're saying that since a lockdown would only save 90% of the potential lost lives, since 10% of the deaths may still occur... we might as well just give up and let everyone die??




There you go again. Since it's not practical to eliminate 100% of the virus, we shouldn't even bother taking steps that can eliminate 90% of it????

You are making the leap that 90% of the virus is eliminated. It is highly possible that the 90% still happens, it just gets spread out. It is also possible that some of that gets stopped if/when there is an effective and widely available vaccine. If one of the current phase 3 vaccines works and is widely available then flattening and elongating could lead to an overall lower number at the expense of unsustainable economic damage. However, what if these vaccines don't work and it takes another two years to get one that does?

You also I'm not sure you can compare the peaks in Spain to the current peak in Florida. I can't find a chart for Spain but going from memory of the testing numbers for Spain, Florida is testing a higher percentage of the population per day now than Spain did at the peak. Florida is likely finding a higher percentage of actual cases now than Spain did at their peak.

BTW, why is Spain's drastic recent increase not a concern or a sign that the lockdowns didn't work as long term solution? Also, Sweden didn't lock down at all or implement mask requirements (at least as of a few weeks ago for masks) and their daily death number has continued to drop since the peak. Their daily cases also have dropped since a "spike" that lasted most of June.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Well, we've heard of promises from pharma, haven't we? I hope this is true but also, I hope a) people don't make it yet another ridiculous political talking point because they don't want it (let's just move them to a new COVID state somewhere), and b) the government finds a way to distribute it. It's really a situation where the wealthy won't be any safer if the plebs don't have access, too.

The order of priority for distribution will probably be 1) First responders, front-line health care workers and military 2) Other health care workers 3) Vulnerable populations 4) Everyone else.

Also, the companies weren't "promising" anything. They were simply giving their estimated timelines, filled with plenty of caveats.

 

[Parker in NYC]

The order of priority for distribution will probably be 1) First responders, front-line health care workers and military 2) Other health care workers 3) Vulnerable populations 4) Everyone else.

With the number of people who won't want any, at least it's feasible.

 

[Jrb1979]

You are making the leap that 90% of the virus is eliminated. It is highly possible that the 90% still happens, it just gets spread out. It is also possible that some of that gets stopped if/when there is an effective and widely available vaccine. If one of the current phase 3 vaccines works and is widely available then flattening and elongating could lead to an overall lower number at the expense of unsustainable economic damage. However, what if these vaccines don't work and it takes another two years to get one that does?

You also I'm not sure you can compare the peaks in Spain to the current peak in Florida. I can't find a chart for Spain but going from memory of the testing numbers for Spain, Florida is testing a higher percentage of the population per day now than Spain did at the peak. Florida is likely finding a higher percentage of actual cases now than Spain did at their peak.

BTW, why is Spain's drastic recent increase not a concern or a sign that the lockdowns didn't work as long term solution? Also, Sweden didn't lock down at all or implement mask requirements (at least as of a few weeks ago for masks) and their daily death number has continued to drop since the peak. Their daily cases also have dropped since a "spike" that lasted most of June.

STOP WITH THE SWEDEN COMPARISON. They did have measures in place. They limited capacity for restaurants, which you are against, people stayed home when sick and most worked from home. Its funny how none of you bring that up.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Cases are trending up. Deaths are trending up. You can’t even apologise for this mess.

Theres a slow murmur inside the company that’s slowly getting louder about staying open.

again, its embarrassing to not do anything.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Its why many are saying more should be done to slow the spread. Maybe you have to start fining people for not following social distancing. Here it's almost $900 for not complying. People are listening. Masks are mandatory now. Its working here now that almost everything is open minus theme parks, movie theaters and casinos.

Are you from Canada? That sounds like what I've heard Canada is doing.

 

[legwand77]

It's comical, and sad, to see the same person post "US had the lowest total of deaths for the day" a few weeks ago and then now "well, let's wait and look at when the deaths occured".............

No, sorry still I am saying the same thing as before. I have been saying look when the deaths occurred all along for weeks now. There are data dumps going on. Right now the peak Florida date of death was back two weeks ago at 104, that day will probably rise a bit maybe to 110-115 but not much more as most cases are filled within the past few weeks.

The case trend (guess that is not important anymore ) still continues to follow the past few weeks stable if not going down. Hospitalizations are staying steady even with "record" cases. Orange County is still trending down with 8.2% positivity.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Speaking of stats, I have heard this from two sources, it allegedly happened on the west coast of Florida.
A person signs up for the free COVID test. They must register providing information including an email address where to email the test results. The person has registered, but the wait to get tested is too long and leaves without getting tested. Some time later the person gets an email saying they tested positive for COVID, yet they were never tested.

Bus drivers? I've never actually used this lame response so humor me.

 

[kong1802]

No, sorry still I am saying the same thing as before. I have been saying look when the deaths occurred all along for weeks now. There are data dumps going on. Right now the peak Florida date of death was back two weeks ago at 104, that day will probably rise a bit maybe to 110-115 but not much more as most cases are filled within the past few weeks.

The case trend (guess that is not important anymore ) still continues to follow the past few weeks stable if not going down. Hospitalizations are staying steady even with "record" cases. Orange County is still trending down with 8.2% positivity.

You know I’m referring to the “US only had 302 deaths today, lowest since March” posts...

Just funny the “wait and see when deaths occurred” didn’t make it in that post....

 

[DisneyCane]

STOP WITH THE SWEDEN COMPARISON. They did have measures in place. They limited capacity for restaurants, which you are against, people stayed home when sick and most worked from home. Its funny how none of you bring that up.

Since when am I against limited capacity for restaurants? Are there not a huge number of people working from home in Florida/the US? Has the guidance since March not been to stay at home if you are sick? Are workplaces not screening people for symptoms? I haven't seen anybody that appeared sick working anywhere for months.

There, I brought it up. The poster I replied to is suggesting that strict full lockdowns are the right thing to do and would have "smashed" the virus if they were done in Florida. I brought up Sweden because they didn't do that.

I have said since the beginning that all businesses should be allowed to operate as long as they can implement social distancing and sanitary guidelines.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Bus drivers? I've never actually used this lame response so humor me.

LOL, no I didn’t hear this from a WDW bus driver.