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Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

Heppenheimer

Heppenheimer

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ParkerLoLs said:
My dad (who I realize is no expert) said it will affect all regions. He says a vaccine is way off, folks won't even want to uniformly BE vaccinated, and those companies still hanging on right now will have to pay the piper at some point. He says we'll look at 2020 as the good old days.
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Per their testimony to Congress the other day, Astra-Zeneca may have their vaccine ready to go by late-autumn, early winter. But quantities will initially be extremely limited.

The other three companies reported that if all goes well (a big "if"), their products could be approved and available by mid-2021.
 
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legwand77

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It will be interesting to see to also look at the actual date of deaths in the 173 reported. I expected it to go up and might a bit more this week.
 
Parker in NYC

Parker in NYC

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Heppenheimer said:
Per their testimony to Congress the other day, Astra-Zeneca may have their vaccine ready to go by late-autumn, early winter. But quantities will initially be extremely limited.

The other three companies reported that if all goes well (a big "if"), their products could be approved and available by mid-2021.
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Well, we've heard of promises from pharma, haven't we? I hope this is true but also, I hope a) people don't make it yet another ridiculous political talking point because they don't want it (let's just move them to a new COVID state somewhere), and b) the government finds a way to distribute it. It's really a situation where the wealthy won't be any safer if the plebs don't have access, too.
 
Jrb1979

Jrb1979

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legwand77 said:
It will be interesting to see to also look at the actual date of deaths in the 173 reported. I expected it to go up and might a bit more this week.
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Its why many are saying more should be done to slow the spread. Maybe you have to start fining people for not following social distancing. Here it's almost $900 for not complying. People are listening. Masks are mandatory now. Its working here now that almost everything is open minus theme parks, movie theaters and casinos.
 
Jrb1979

Jrb1979

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kong1802 said:
It's comical, and sad, to see the same person post "US had the lowest total of deaths for the day" a few weeks ago and then now "well, let's wait and look at when the deaths occured".............
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I honestly think it's they are trying to convince people that things aren't that bad that we should shutdown again. No one is saying that instead maybe do something like make masks mandatory. Thoughts and prayers do nothing.
 
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legwand77

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Jrb1979 said:
Its why many are saying more should be done to slow the spread. Maybe you have to start fining people for not following social distancing. Here it's almost $900 for not complying. People are listening. Masks are mandatory now. Its working here now that almost everything is open minus theme parks, movie theaters and casinos.
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In my opinion it is more the fact of where you are geographically, look at where all the outbreaks are now, the very southern part of the US
 
kong1802

kong1802

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Jrb1979 said:
I honestly think it's they are trying to convince people that things aren't that bad that we should shutdown again. No one is saying that instead maybe do something like make masks mandatory. Thoughts and prayers do nothing.
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It's just hillarious that when a stat works in "their" favor they post it.

Then when, as most people predicted, the stat worsens, it's now questionable...

Funny when the questioning process kicks in, isn't it?
 
Jrb1979

Jrb1979

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legwand77 said:
In my opinion it is more the fact of where you are geographically, look at where all the outbreaks are now, the very southern part of the US
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I don't care where it's happening cause the measures that most places have put in place works. Where a mask, practice physical distancing, wash hands and STAY HOME IF YOU ARE SICK. For some reason the southern part of the US has not interest in that. Start fining people who don't follow those rules.
 
Parker in NYC

Parker in NYC

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Jrb1979 said:
Still doesn't mean nothing should be done. IMO if you feel safer at theme parks then why can't they make all businesses follow the same rules.
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I say, let's start telling people outside of the Walt Disney World Resort to wear their masks and "Have a magical day!" Maybe that'll do the trick? Maybe a $25.47 Taste of Epcot Food and Wine passcode for shopDisney if they comply? It'll still be $25.47 but the merchandise is exclusive to Annual Maskholders.
 
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DisneyCane

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havoc315 said:
You're missing the point of a lockdown. It's not solely a question of whether virus is spreading inside the doors of the business. It's about whether the virus is spreading in the Uber on the way to the business. It's about whether people are congregating outside the business. It's about whether employees have to take mass transit or carpool to get to work at the business, during which time virus spreads.

And yes, the hard lock downs do smash the virus. "Several hundred cases per day" in places with populations in the tens of millions -- that is indeed smashed. France, for example, when from over 4,000 cases per day... Over the last 2 months, down to 400-600 cases per day. The population of France is 3 times the population of Florida -- So that would be the equivalent of Florida having only 100-200 cases per day, as opposed to 10,000 per day. Yes, I'd say 95-99% fewer daily cases is smashed.




Yes, let's use Spain as an example. Perfect.
Population of Spain -- 47 million.
Population of Florida -- 21.5 million.

Spain case peak: About 7,800 Florida peak-- unknown at this time, but maybe about 11,000
Spain 7 day average through June -- About 350 cases.
Now in July, a couple months after the end of the lockdown, cases are starting to rise again -- They are back up to about 1400.
Current in Florida -- 11,000 on average.
So... population of 47 million -- 2-3 months after end of a hard lock down, only 1400 cases.
Florida, population of 21 million, 2-3 months after end of a very soft lock down, 11,000 cases.

So Florida has about 20x more daily cases on a population-adjusted basis.




You're missing the whole point --- So you're saying, there is no difference between 500 cases and 10,000 cases. No difference between 300,000 deaths and 3,000 deaths??

As you just said -- Lockdowns suppress spikes --- So if you suppress the spikes and keep them low enough, while you develop improved treatments and vaccines -- you save lives!!!!! Hundreds of thousands of lives!!!

You're saying that since a lockdown would only save 90% of the potential lost lives, since 10% of the deaths may still occur... we might as well just give up and let everyone die??




There you go again. Since it's not practical to eliminate 100% of the virus, we shouldn't even bother taking steps that can eliminate 90% of it????
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You are making the leap that 90% of the virus is eliminated. It is highly possible that the 90% still happens, it just gets spread out. It is also possible that some of that gets stopped if/when there is an effective and widely available vaccine. If one of the current phase 3 vaccines works and is widely available then flattening and elongating could lead to an overall lower number at the expense of unsustainable economic damage. However, what if these vaccines don't work and it takes another two years to get one that does?

You also I'm not sure you can compare the peaks in Spain to the current peak in Florida. I can't find a chart for Spain but going from memory of the testing numbers for Spain, Florida is testing a higher percentage of the population per day now than Spain did at the peak. Florida is likely finding a higher percentage of actual cases now than Spain did at their peak.

BTW, why is Spain's drastic recent increase not a concern or a sign that the lockdowns didn't work as long term solution? Also, Sweden didn't lock down at all or implement mask requirements (at least as of a few weeks ago for masks) and their daily death number has continued to drop since the peak. Their daily cases also have dropped since a "spike" that lasted most of June.
 
Heppenheimer

Heppenheimer

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ParkerLoLs said:
Well, we've heard of promises from pharma, haven't we? I hope this is true but also, I hope a) people don't make it yet another ridiculous political talking point because they don't want it (let's just move them to a new COVID state somewhere), and b) the government finds a way to distribute it. It's really a situation where the wealthy won't be any safer if the plebs don't have access, too.
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The order of priority for distribution will probably be 1) First responders, front-line health care workers and military 2) Other health care workers 3) Vulnerable populations 4) Everyone else.

Also, the companies weren't "promising" anything. They were simply giving their estimated timelines, filled with plenty of caveats.
 

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