Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[celluloid]

Central Florida counties see jump in COVID-19 related deaths

Over 4,900 Floridians have died from the coronavirus, according to the department of health.

www.clickorlando.com

 

[lazyboy97o]

Since this happens every year how do you suggest we improve flu season? I'm sure tired of working my *** off every winter. I get accused of not valuing human life, but what I've seen over my career is that not many Americans value their health.

More vaccinations. Changing culture to not accept people who are “tough” and show up to work. Change sick policies to make it easier for people to stay home. Wearing masks if ill and have to go out. Stuff that was done rather successfully in 2008 for H1N1 that did reduce illnesses and, despite claims that more generous sick policies would be abused, saw productivity increase as people weren’t working sick and making their co-workers sick.

 

[legwand77]

It virtually NEVER happened before Covid. Hospitaks typically operate at under 50% of their regular capacity.
Covid has pushed hospitals to greater capacity than any time in modern history on a sustained basis.

Sure, typically... there might be a day or 2 where a hospital might have to call in extra staff for a few hours of overtime. But nothing like this.
I know 1 intensivist who went from working 36 hours per week (3 12 hour shifts) to 72-84 hours per week for 8 weeks straight.

Got plenty more examples but you get the drift

Hospitals Overwhelmed by Flu Patients Are Treating Them in Tents

Across the country, medical centers are taking extraordinary measures.

time.com

Flu Patients Arrive in Droves, and a Hospital Rolls Out the ‘Surge Tent’ (Published 2018)

The worst flu season in nearly a decade has filled emergency rooms and strained resources at medical centers. Hospitalization and infection rates are among the highest in two decades.

www.nytimes.com

This Year's Flu Season Is Record-Breaking

Hospitals across the country have been literally pulling out "surge tents" to make extra space for flu cases.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Parker in NYC]

Central Florida counties see jump in COVID-19 related deaths

Over 4,900 Floridians have died from the coronavirus, according to the department of health.

www.clickorlando.com

Word to the wise. Don’t read those comments. Yikes.

 

[legwand77]

it has happened, especially in underserved cities , but the problem we have here is that it is a virus we know virtually nothing about and its harming/killing people at a fast rate. A flu puts people in the hospital, we typically know what to do, and we utilize specific resources. But filled hospital beds are different than filled hospital beds during a novel pandemic. This thing puts people in the hospital and you have a best guess scenario for how a treatment MAY work on a single individual. Thats why people like your friend are being used so much, they need all man power they can get because this virus is nasty and right now needs to be approached at all angles.

(I know I'm going to have to answer this so YES, the flu is nasty, but the flu is not new and we know a lot about it,. )

the virus is not exactly novel at this point.

 

[Miss Bella]

it has happened, especially in underserved cities , but the problem we have here is that it is a virus we know virtually nothing about and its harming/killing people at a fast rate. A flu puts people in the hospital, we typically know what to do, and we utilize specific resources. But filled hospital beds are different than filled hospital beds during a novel pandemic. This thing puts people in the hospital and you have a best guess scenario for how a treatment MAY work on a single individual. Thats why people like your friend are being used so much, they need all man power they can get because this virus is nasty and right now needs to be approached at all angles.

(I know I'm going to have to answer this so YES, the flu is nasty, but the flu is not new and we know a lot about it,. )

I disagree with just about everything you said.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Word to the wise. Don’t read those comments. Yikes.

bad comments out of Florida? I'm shocked.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

the virus is not exactly novel at this point.

 

[Parker in NYC]

bad comments out of Florida? I'm shocked.

Hey, I’m a sheltered New Yorker!

 

[Chef Mickey]

We can trust European numbers, we look pathetic compared to them especially with our added benefits of less population density and getting the pandemic later.

Also, the economy isn’t rebounding like it was expected from the open now side, that’s because the majority of the population in this country must be doctors I guess, because they’re staying home not helping the economy.

Why should I trust their numbers? Even if right, I don’t know their ideology on testing.

If we stopped testing, our numbers would look great. If we test more, probably worse. “Record cases” is also silly if you can’t hold the Comparisons constant. We might actually be doing quite a bit better than before, but we missed a lot of positive tests in March and are catching more now.

Testing is actually pretty useless because it just tells you you’re positive or negative today. You basically need testing every day or quarantine to “know” you’re not spreading it.

 

[legwand77]

Word to the wise. Don’t read those comments. Yikes.

comments are no different than what is posted in this thread. Plus that article tone was a bit too excited like is it was hoping for more on posted record deaths, pretty ridiculous, most likely written by a computer judging how poorly it was written, content aside.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Why should I trust their numbers? Even if right, I don’t know their ideology on testing.

If we stopped testing, our numbers would look great. If we test more, probably worse. “Record cases” is also silly if you can’t hold the Comparisons constant. We might actually be doing quite a bit better than before, but we missed a lot of positive tests in March and are catching more now.

Testing is actually pretty useless because it just tells you you’re positive or negative today. You basically need testing every day or quarantine to “know” you’re not spreading it.

So, even if the numbers are correct, you still cross your arms and say they don’t fit your ideology. This whole pandemic is one great big Buzzfeed Personal Politics Quiz no one asked for.

 

[Chef Mickey]

It means the virus is spreading, which means more people get the virus, which means more people spread it to other people, which means more people go to the hospital, and which means more people die.


2 weeks ago the US had its lowest week for death since the pandemic started in earnest- approximately 3,600.

Want to guess what this week looks like?

Way to take it out of context. I said asymptomatic, which was hypothetical and an example as to why I don’t only care about some positivity rate someone throws out on TV or a clickbait article. I also care about the numerator and denominator.

Not many asymptomatic people are dying, but just a guess.

 

[Chef Mickey]

So, even if the numbers are correct, you still cross your arms and say they don’t fit your ideology. This whole pandemic is one great big Buzzfeed Personal Politics Quiz no one asked for.

I said I don’t know, and neither do the pretend analysts thinking they know.

There are many factors.

 

[Miss Bella]

Testing is actually pretty useless because it just tells you you’re positive or negative today. You basically need testing every day or quarantine to “know” you’re not spreading it.

This is why I won't get tested unless I have symptoms.

 

[Dman245]

Yep this + CM break rooms are the two biggest weak links in their protocols.

I will say that their is plenty of outdoor seating available at pretty much all of the quick service restaurants. In fact, several have added additional outdoor seating. My wife and I have been at Disney for 4 days now and been to all 4 parks and have eaten all our meals outside. Obviously the table service restaurants are a different story but we have decided not to do table service meals this trip so we don’t have to eat indoors.
Also, all of the Disney owner and operated quick service restaurants are strongly encouraging or even requiring mobile order and you can’t enter the restaurant until your mobile order is ready so there is barely anyone inside any of the restaurants.

 

[Parker in NYC]

I said I don’t know, and neither do the pretend analysts thinking they know.

There are many factors.

I’m laughing to keep from crying.

 

[Chef Mickey]

Hundreds of thousands? In a span of 4-5 months?

I cannot emphasize how disheartening I find this attitude.

Do you have the data for the first year the flu hit? This is worse because it’s new and not an indication it will continue even as long as the flu. The flu is in all probability more dangerous over the long term. It’s certainly killed more people and has persisted with a vaccine and treatment. This likely will as well.

 

[legwand77]

Well it has been around for over 6 months , and infected at a minimum of 14 million people worldwide, and by most indicators at least 10x as many. We know how to treat it much better etc.

 

[Miss Bella]

Way to take it out of context. I said asymptomatic, which was hypothetical and an example as to why I don’t only care about some positivity rate someone throws out on TV or a clickbait article. I also care about the numerator and denominator.

Not many asymptomatic people are dying, but just a guess.

Not even that many healthy symptomatic people are dying. If your old and have a lot of health problems you still have a 95% chance of surviving.