Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[Parker in NYC]

This is a virus, not something we can disagree with on ideological grounds.

Sadly, there are over a million posts here that will tell you otherwise.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

I was just informing her of something she probably didn't know.

I knew that. Its still not a good thing.

theft is a normal crime in this world, theft is not good.

 

[Miss Bella]

Sadly, there are over a million posts here that will tell you otherwise.

I know ideologically we disagree on everything, but I agree with you on that.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

because no one posted on a disney board when hospitals go into surge mode before covid, happens much more than most people think

using surge capacity is not a good thing.

 

[Parker in NYC]

I know ideologically we disagree on everything, but I agree with you on that.

Starting with MCO. Not my idea of a lovely airport.

 

[havoc315]

So if that is the case is a government mandate necessary?

Depends on how much you want to bring down cases and deaths.
Let’s put it this way: 500,000 deaths, no voluntary mitigation.
250,000 deaths —voluntary mitigation only.
30,000 deaths — mandated mitigation.

Which option would you pick?

 

[Miss Bella]

I knew that. Its still not a good thing.

theft is a normal crime in this world, theft is not good.

Since this happens every year how do you suggest we improve flu season? I'm sure tired of working my off every winter. I get accused of not valuing human life, but what I've seen over my career is that not many Americans value their health.

 

[Miss Bella]

Starting with MCO. Not my idea of a lovely airport.

Something else we agree on. I do get the warm fuzzy's when I get off the plane, but yeah the airport sucks.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Since this happens every year how do you suggest we improve flu season? I'm sure tired of working my *** off every winter. I get accused of not valuing human life, but what I've seen over my career is that not many Americans value their health.

That’s for damned sure! If more Americans cared about their health, we wouldn’t be dealing with the extraordinary influx of proud idiots touting their idiocy during this worldwide pandemic. See, it seems we agree yet again.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Since this happens every year how do you suggest we improve flu season? I'm sure tired of working my *** off every winter. I get accused of not valuing human life, but what I've seen over my career is that not many Americans value their health.

overall that's a political discussion so I'm not going to get into it.

 

[legwand77]

Depends on how much you want to bring down cases and deaths.
Let’s put it this way: 500,000 deaths, no voluntary mitigation.
250,000 deaths —voluntary mitigation only.
30,000 deaths — mandated mitigation.

Which option would you pick?

Rhetorical question and over simplified, not interested.

 

[havoc315]

using surge capacity is not a good thing.

It virtually NEVER happened before Covid. Hospitaks typically operate at under 50% of their regular capacity.
Covid has pushed hospitals to greater capacity than any time in modern history on a sustained basis.

Sure, typically... there might be a day or 2 where a hospital might have to call in extra staff for a few hours of overtime. But nothing like this.
I know 1 intensivist who went from working 36 hours per week (3 12 hour shifts) to 72-84 hours per week for 8 weeks straight.

 

[BrianLo]

Not hanging my hat on it , it was the metric you mentioned, just showing you we are at the threshold you were looking for. Take a look a Florida, lag time really not that big of an issue there.

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I think you might be reading this wrong.

The orange line is the normal average seasonal trend line. Accounting for normal seasonal variation (higher deaths in winter months). Already every week but the most recent two are above threshold, despite numbers not even being finalized counts. There isn't a decline at all.

 

[legwand77]

overall that's a political discussion so I'm not going to get into it.

nice flex

 

[Parker in NYC]

I think you might be reading this wrong.

The orange line is the normal average seasonal trend line. Accounting for normal seasonal variation (higher deaths in winter months). Already every week but the most recent two are above threshold, despite numbers not even being finalized counts. There isn't a decline at all.

He doesn’t know how to read charts. Only post and “analyze” them to fit a predetermined narrative. Not worth engaging.

 

[Miss Bella]

That’s for damned sure! If more Americans cared about their health, we wouldn’t be dealing with the extraordinary influx of proud idiots during this worldwide pandemic. See, it seems we agree yet again.

Not really. I was thinking more along the lines of one out of three people being obese, smoking, drug abuse.... I could go on, but I won't.

 

[havoc315]

Rhetorical question and over simplified, not interested.

not rhetorical. hypothetical, and very realistic.
If we had reacted to Covid with appropriate testing and mitigation from early March forward, deaths would have been limited to 30,000 or less.

We are currently on track for 200,000+.

Had we done “nothing”.. we easily would have had 500,000+.

It’s all a question of how many lives you want to save.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Not really. I was thinking more along the lines of one out of three people being obese, smoking, drug abuse.... I could go on, but I won't.

Completely agreed there!

 

[oceanbreeze77]

It virtually NEVER happened before Covid. Hospitaks typically operate at under 50% of their regular capacity.
Covid has pushed hospitals to greater capacity than any time in modern history on a sustained basis.

Sure, typically... there might be a day or 2 where a hospital might have to call in extra staff for a few hours of overtime. But nothing like this.
I know 1 intensivist who went from working 36 hours per week (3 12 hour shifts) to 72-84 hours per week for 8 weeks straight.

it has happened, especially in underserved cities , but the problem we have here is that it is a virus we know virtually nothing about and its harming/killing people at a fast rate. A flu puts people in the hospital, we typically know what to do, and we utilize specific resources. But filled hospital beds are different than filled hospital beds during a novel pandemic. This thing puts people in the hospital and you have a best guess scenario for how a treatment MAY work on a single individual. Thats why people like your friend are being used so much, they need all man power they can get because this virus is nasty and right now needs to be approached at all angles.

(I know I'm going to have to answer this so YES, the flu is nasty, but the flu is not new and we know a lot about it,. )

 

[legwand77]

I think you might be reading this wrong.

The orange line is the normal average seasonal trend line. Already every week but the most recent two are above threshold, despite numbers not even being finalized counts. There isn't a decline at all.

the yellow line is acutally the threshold for excess deaths, also what happened in 2018, scratch that, disregard, it is just the repeat argument as AZ different verse, not going down that road again with you. Feel free to interpret however you like.