Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[Polkadotdress]

And this is why we will continue to spin in circles with this, never truly finding a way out, because of prevalent "It's not a big deal...get over it" attitudes like this.

 

[Miss Bella]

The difference is that these countries have controlled the spread of the virus, while we haven't. It's not complicated.

For now but that could change. They can’t stay locked down forever.

 

[October82]

I really don’t understand your post. What is disheartening? 99% of our patients recover and go home.

Not to be flippant, but you absolutely understand the point of that post.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You’ve gotta he realistic though. Stopping deaths from viruses ain’t happening and never was the case.

Freaking COVID-19 isn’t the first or last virus that will kill people and will likely be around just like the flu. It will probably stop killing and infecting at this rate in the coming years, but it’s something we add to things that kill humans.

Actint like this is the biggest threat to humanity proves you watch too much news. Obesity and smoking are far more dangerous. Hell, the flu is more dangwrous if you want to talk about total number killed. Killed tens of thousands every year with a vaccine and treatment.

Relax, we will get through this but nothing is going to zero and we aren’t going to hide away until it does. Life goes on and thankfully, people are starting to see that. Precautions and move on. Scared, option to stay home. People have to work and live life. We’ve don’t it with plenty of dangers in the world.

I’m sure the doctor is well aware of things that kill people.

 

[Miss Bella]

Not to be flippant, but you absolutely understand the point of that post.

No I absolutely did not.

 

[October82]

For now but that could change. They can’t stay locked down forever.

Stay at home orders in Europe were lifted in April and May. They did not see a return to growth in the number of cases, since the EU generally has adequate testing and contact tracing in place. We still do not.

 

[Miss Bella]

Stay at home orders in Europe were lifted in April and May. They did not see a return to growth in the number of cases, since the EU generally has adequate testing and contact tracing in place. We still do not.

Haven’t we tested more people than any other country? Half the country is not going to want contact tracing and you can’t force that on people.

 

[October82]

No I absolutely did not.

In that case, most people will find 143k deaths quite tragic and disheartening, even if it's due to a virus that only kills some of the people it infects. If you don't, there's nothing anyone can say to you to change your mind about the value of human life.

 

[schuelma]

For now but that could change. They can’t stay locked down forever.

They aren't! Other counties are having sports, getting back to normal, etc.

 

[Chef Mickey]

The difference is that these countries have controlled the spread of the virus, while we haven't. It's not complicated.

Maybe yes, maybe no. No one to know if the numbers are reliable, particularly from communist governments, the third world, and countries with different philosophies. There is no doubt some countries emphasize testing and many don’t even test.

 

[schuelma]

Haven’t we tested more people than any other country? Half the country is not going to want contact tracing and you can’t force that on people.

Oh my. Look up testing per capita and get back to me.

 

[October82]

Haven’t we tested more people than any other country?

This isn't a competition. What matters is the testing rate per capita. How many cases do you catch and isolate before they spread.

Half the country is not going to want contact tracing and you can’t force that on people.

This is kind of like saying "half the population of Florida disagrees with hurricanes and we can't force them to prepare for one." Technically true but pretty meaningless. Without contact tracing, we will not be able to solve this problem. It is not a political or negotiable point. This is a virus, not something we can disagree with on ideological grounds.

 

[WDWTrojan]

Maybe yes, maybe no. No one to know if the numbers are reliable, particularly from communist governments, the third world, and countries with different philosophies. There is no doubt some countries emphasize testing and many don’t even test.

This is utter nonsense. Other countries, particularly in Europe, are very transparent with their data. It's back to business in many places while here our hospitals are filling thanks to our lack of inability to get a handle on this. Why else do you think the EU has no interest in us, Russia or Brazil visiting? We three are the worst in the world, while everyone else managed to get a hold of it.

 

[schuelma]

Maybe yes, maybe no. No one to know if the numbers are reliable, particularly from communist governments, the third world, and countries with different philosophies. There is no doubt some countries emphasize testing and many don’t even test.

"The US is trending towards 200k deaths by October, but maybe we're doing fine? Whose to say?"

 

[lazyboy97o]

Doctors aren’t the only people with brains and they are also super biased because of the oath. Nothing wrong with it, btw...but their respective is skewed. Real world mostly works on utility, not pure morality.

If we valued human life above all else with no exceptions, we wouldn’t allow cars or air travel because the deaths would be unacceptable.

That’s a nice attempt at distraction. Doctors aren’t oblivious to risks but like so many you were trying to tell a doctor he had no understanding of the virus.

 

[Miss Bella]

In that case, most people will find 143k deaths quite tragic and disheartening, even if it's due to a virus that only kills some of the people it infects. If you don't, there's nothing anyone can say to you to change your mind about the value of human life.

What would be an acceptable way for me to think? I’m guessing I should be in favor of everything staying shut down? If I thought like that then in your opinion I would truly value human life?

 

[lazyboy97o]

What would be an acceptable way for me to think? I’m guessing I should be in favor of everything staying shut down? If I thought like that then in your opinion I would truly value human life?

If you get cases low and the systems in place there is no need to stay locked down.

 

[Miss Bella]

This isn't a competition. What matters is the testing rate per capita. How many cases do you catch and isolate before they spread.



This is kind of like saying "half the population of Florida disagrees with hurricanes and we can't force them to prepare for one." Technically true but pretty meaningless. Without contact tracing, we will not be able to solve this problem. It is not a political or negotiable point. This is a virus, not something we can disagree with on ideological grounds.

I have no control over contact tracing. I don’t even have an opinion on it. I just know people aren’t going to go for it.

 

[Touchdown]

Maybe yes, maybe no. No one to know if the numbers are reliable, particularly from communist governments, the third world, and countries with different philosophies. There is no doubt some countries emphasize testing and many don’t even test.

We can trust European numbers, we look pathetic compared to them especially with our added benefits of less population density and getting the pandemic later.

Also, the economy isn’t rebounding like it was expected from the open now side, that’s because the majority of the population in this country must be doctors I guess, because they’re staying home not helping the economy.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I have no control over contact tracing. I don’t even have an opinion on it. I just know people aren’t going to go for it.

People already go for it. It’s not a new thing.