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Disney's Live Action The Little Mermaid
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BuddyThomas
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So what?????For the less than 6% of the American population who still watches the Oscars?
And almost all of that 6% are either diehard movie nerds, are employed in the industry but not statused enough to get a ticket to the Dolby Theatre, or are older gays who still know someone who actually throws a decent Oscars party. Or are cool enough to get invited by an older gay who still throws a decent Oscars party.
In 2023, just under 19 Million people watched the Oscars. The population of the United States in 2023 was 335 Million. 6% (rounding up)
25 years ago in 1998, 55 Million people watched the Oscars, when the population of the US was only 272 Million. 20% (rounding down)
Oscars viewership by year 2000-2024 | Statista
In 2024, the Oscars audience was 19.5 million in the U.S., up from a viewership of 18.8 million in the previous year.www.statista.com
BuddyThomas
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I believe that your crystal ball is broken. Perhaps a consultation with Madame Leota would be in order. And I always assume that the people on here posting this kind of stuff haven’t even seen the film. Because haters on here love to hate on stuff that they have not even experienced.
MoonRakerSCM
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Ah yes, time for the daily 'jump in and attack other posters for a bit'.
BuddyThomas
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I assume you are referring to me even though you didn’t bother to quote anyone. Please point out this supposed attack and be specific. Because there was nothing whatsoever resembling any “attack”. I’ll wait.
Disstevefan1
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$555,100,263 - TLM may just break even after all! YaY!
This shill of a pixie duster says that TLM will most definitely *not* make a profit in the theatrical window based on the usual 'rule of thumb.' And that is a disappointment as well as a bit of a shock.
For those who focus only on the theatrical widow, it'll become a whipping horse to show how Disney is failing.
However, the post-theatrical windows of continued revenue should be sufficient such that TML will pretty much break even for the company as a whole in the end and not hurt the company's bottom line. Don't look for Disney to say so, since they've never really discussed how their movies do once out of the theaters... at least not financially.
And if Deadline is saying TLM is 'breaking even,' well, they said that about Black Adam. They abandoned their own rule of thumb they generally used and blithely accepted the studios' post theatrical guesswork and declared them break-even. All the while confusing the theatrical run v. the post-theatrical markets.
TP2000
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The "what" is that winning an Oscar for visual effects or sound design on March 10th, 2024 is not going to suddenly send people to rent Little Mermaid via PVOD next spring.
And those Oscar noms will have little impact on Little Mermaid's PVOD performance because very few Americans even tune in to the Oscars any longer. Less than 6% of the country tuned in last year. The TV ratings for the Oscars have collapsed in the last decade after an endless parade of Hollywood bigshots and starlets would get up on stage year after year and make cringey political statements and loft not-so-thinly veiled personal criticism at almost their entire customer base living between the eastern suburbs of LA and the western suburbs of New York City.
I included the facts and data to show that rapid collapse in Oscars viewership, and thus the importance (or now lack thereof) of Oscars awarded to last year's movies.
In 2023, just under 19 Million people watched the Oscars. The population of the United States in 2023 was 335 Million. 6% (rounding up)
25 years ago in 1998, 55 Million people watched the Oscars, when the population of the US was only 272 Million. 20% (rounding down)
Oscars viewership by year 2000-2024 | Statista
In 2024, the Oscars audience was 19.5 million in the U.S., up from a viewership of 18.8 million in the previous year.
Winning an Oscar is I'm sure lovely for the sound designer or special effects technician who worked very hard on the project, but it's no longer the 1990's. Very few Americans still watch the Oscars or care. Hollywood itself deserves most of the blame for that viewership collapse.
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LittleBuford
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I don’t watch the Oscars, but it still catches my attention if a film is Oscar-winning or nominated, especially if I’m browsing options on a streaming service. I doubt I’m the only person for whom this is the case.The "what" is that winning an Oscar for visual effects or sound design on March 10th, 2024 is not going to suddenly send people to rent Little Mermaid via PVOD next spring.
And those Oscar noms will have little impact on Little Mermaid's PVOD performance because very few Americans even tune in to the Oscars any longer. Less than 6% of the country tuned in last year. The TV ratings for the Oscars have collapsed in the last decade after an endless parade of Hollywood bigshots and starlets would get up on stage year after year and make cringey political statements and loft not-so-thinly veiled personal criticism at almost their entire customer base living between the eastern suburbs of LA and the western suburbs of New York City.
I included the facts and data to show that rapid collapse in Oscars viewership, and thus the importance (or now lack thereof) of Oscars awarded to last year's movies.
Winning an Oscar is I'm sure lovely for the sound designer or special effects technician who worked very hard on the project, but it's no longer the 1990's. Very few Americans still watch the Oscars or care. Hollywood itself deserves most of the blame for that viewership collapse.
Disney Irish
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The "what" is that winning an Oscar for visual effects or sound design on March 10th, 2024 is not going to suddenly send people to rent Little Mermaid via PVOD next spring.
And those Oscar noms will have little impact on Little Mermaid's PVOD performance because very few Americans even tune in to the Oscars any longer. Less than 6% of the country tuned in last year. The TV ratings for the Oscars have collapsed in the last decade after an endless parade of Hollywood bigshots and starlets would get up on stage year after year and make cringey political statements and loft not-so-thinly veiled personal criticism at almost their entire customer base living between the eastern suburbs of LA and the western suburbs of New York City.
I included the facts and data to show that rapid collapse in Oscars viewership, and thus the importance (or now lack thereof) of Oscars awarded to last year's movies.
Winning an Oscar is I'm sure lovely for the sound designer or special effects technician who worked very hard on the project, but it's no longer the 1990's. Very few Americans still watch the Oscars or care. Hollywood itself deserves most of the blame for that viewership collapse.
Not saying its going to happen this year, but in years past I know studios have re-released their Oscar nominated films to theaters. And some end up getting a bump in box office earnings.
As noted in this CNBC article, that bump is getting smaller though.
The Oscar box office bump is shrinking
The winner of the best picture award at this year's Oscars may not get a big box office bump in this streaming-dominated landscape.
www.cnbc.com
Again not sure if it'll have this year, but if it does and TLM is nominated it could see a small bump.
wtyy21
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There's another way for live-action TLM to achieve profit. In similar scenario as Tangled (with box office of $592M against a budget with $260M not counting marketing costs), TLM will certainly not make a profit from theatrical release only. However, when the film will begin release digitally next week, as well as Disney+ streaming service, the live-action version of Ariel will soon find her more wider audience than if the film has only watched theatrically. It will eventually helped the live-action remake of the film to make a profit.
Tha Realest
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The only Oscars ever won by one of these live action remakes are the technical ones - they haven’t won in any of the big categories (and scarcely any have been nominated)
BuddyThomas
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This one should get a best song nomination for one of the original songs, hopefully Wild Uncharted Waters, which is absolutely gorgeous.
Tha Realest
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1) It’s doubtful it will get anywhere close to the number of nominations Everything gotNot saying its going to happen this year, but in years past I know studios have re-released their Oscar nominated films to theaters. And some end up getting a bump in box office earnings.
As noted in this CNBC article, that bump is getting smaller though.
The Oscar box office bump is shrinking
The winner of the best picture award at this year's Oscars may not get a big box office bump in this streaming-dominated landscape.
Again not sure if it'll have this year, but if it does and TLM is nominated it could see a small bump.
2) Elio comes out March 1. Oscars are March 10. Snow White comes out March 22. It would be marketing malpractice for them to cannibalize their March slate by squeezing in a rerelease somewhere in there.
LittleBuford
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My point has nothing to do with The Little Mermaid (which I don’t think will win anything), but with the impact of the Oscars more generally.
Disney Irish
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No one claimed it would get similar nominations to EEAAO.
Re-releases of Oscar films happen every year by almost every studio that get nominated, especially for the bigger awards like Best Picture/Actor, etc. And so it clear I'm not saying TLM will be nominated for any of the big awards, but....
As I recall, the re-releases usually happen between Jan-Mar after nominations up until the Oscars, meaning there is plenty of time to squeeze in a re-release. Its also the reason a there isn't a whole lot of big releases in January. So far, except for a Bob Marley biopic and a Michelle Yeoh fantasy pic there isn't anything releasing in January 2024. And in February 2024 other than Madam Web (which I don't even know if they finished post production yet) there isn't anything on the schedule that I can see, but who know.
So again I don't see any reason why, if TLM gets nominated, they wouldn't be able to re-release it if they wanted to. They won't be cannibalizing anything.
The Academy Awards is still always my most hyped tv event of the year for me.. wonder which group I belong in….perhaps film nerd… I do like movies of any genre if it’s good, but I still feel there are those who are more knowledgeable about movies than meFor the less than 6% of the American population who still watches the Oscars?
And almost all of that 6% are either diehard movie nerds, are employed in the industry but not statused enough to get a ticket to the Dolby Theatre, or are older gays who still know someone who actually throws a decent Oscars party. Or are cool enough to get invited by an older gay who still throws a decent Oscars party.
In 2023, just under 19 Million people watched the Oscars. The population of the United States in 2023 was 335 Million. 6% (rounding up)
25 years ago in 1998, 55 Million people watched the Oscars, when the population of the US was only 272 Million. 20% (rounding down)
Oscars viewership by year 2000-2024 | Statista
In 2024, the Oscars audience was 19.5 million in the U.S., up from a viewership of 18.8 million in the previous year.
I still feel Oscar nominations still can make a difference…it’s not the Oscar’s that are dying it is cable TV… the Academy awards are still the 2nd most watched Television event of the year and even if people do not watch live… they watch the clips later on YouTube… I remember reading articles about how Everything Everywhere became a water cooler show and became one of the most rented movies despite moving the rental price from 5.99 to 19.99…I remember seeing To Leslie one of the most rented films when Andrea Riseborough was a surprise nomination
Tha Realest
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I am sure they’re excited to repeat the re-release success of Morbius when TLM gets its best visual effects nomination
Disney Irish
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For a movie that has done more than 3x as Morbius did I'm sure it'll be fine.
TP2000
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I'm not saying 19 Million viewers is nothing to sniff at. I watch videos on YouTube of guys mowing overgrown lawns for free for poor widows in the South that only get 2 or 3 Million views.
But in the big ball game, and for those of us older folks who remember how big of a deal the Oscars used to be in the 70's, 80's and 90's (especially us confirmed bachelors who considered the Oscars to be the "Gay Superbowl" and remember fondly blowout Oscars parties in the latter 20th century that were nearly Bacchanalian in their scope and impact), the Oscars viewership has crashed into a tiny percentage of Americans.
In the 1980's up to 25% of the country watched the Oscars. And everyone talked about it the next day.
In 2023, just under 6% of the country watched the Oscars. And hardly anyone talks about it the next day.
It will be interesting to see where the Oscars viewership lands in March, 2024. If trends hold, perhaps only 5% of the country will tune in.
