Disneyland considering building new hotels in Garden Grove

[nevol]

Ok...I was trying to build a bridge until this one...

What exactly do you want/think is warranted?


And I also see that Disney doesn’t make any money from WDW in a post above? Oh do tell...that makes so much sense considering they bother employeeing 60,000 employees there. I bet it’s break even

With 30,000 hotel rooms, 4 parks, 2 water parks, disney springs, and so much more, you think they would make leaps and bounds more money than Disneyland resort with just 3,000ish rooms, a small downtown disney, and 2 parks, and a mostly local visitor count of APs who aren't spending nearly as much at the gate on average than visitors to walt disney world. But WDW has to pay property taxes, pay for their own roadway construction and transportation infrastructure. Their overhead is astronomical which is why they spend all their money on hotels and timeshares and the magic band infrastructure that are all designed to earn money and have gone so long without spending on things in the parks that would actually draw people to them and give guests the most value but would not directly generate a profit. Disneyland Resort's hotel occupancy rate is sky high because they don't have as many rooms as wdw, so even though it seems like less people want to utilize that resort as a destination, those who do stay there end up paying a few hundred dollars more per hotel per night than they would if the same facilities were located in wdw and had to compete with all of their deluxe resort offerings. The resorts profits are shockingly comparable.

The narrative that they are actively leaving the state to pursue profits in better business climates is dead wrong. WDW is their flagship resort because of its size at 42,000 acres and brand awareness worldwide. But they bought that land in Orlando 50 years ago. Them building outside of California isn't a current event worth reading in to. Disneyland resort is actually more likely to be the current company's ideal buildout/operation. Lowest overhead, smallest footprint, largest profit margins. It is more alike hkdl, tkdl, sdl, and the shrinking disneyland paris property than wdw.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

Marvel, Star Wars, New Hotel, New parking structure. Pixar Pier. DTD upgrades. 2.5 billion spent to avoid gate tax for 40 years. Doesn't look to me when I look around like they aren't getting any attention. ***As I'm about to be walking from Mission: Breakout through Cars Land to Pixar Pier, because I can't cut through A Bug's Land because that's closed off. ***



It actually doesn't make very much money.

Finally, the local union is saying there needs to be a wage raise due to increased costs of housing, rent, and food. Two of those three are housing. Why is this massive political organization not advocating for housing construction? Not instead of, but in addition to? Why isn't anybody in Anaheim advocating for more housing for workers? 30,000 people on the waitlist for affordable housing that will never come because, what? The city isn't zoned for multifamily construction? It can accommodate 7 billion dollars worth of hotels and theme park investments but now apartment buildings? The anti-Disney populist movement in Anaheim right now knows what it doesn't like. They know who their enemy is, who to stop from getting what they want. They know they want to extract more value out of Disney. Nobody has any ideas about how to work alongside private investment to see quality of life gains across the entire city of Anaheim.

With 30,000 hotel rooms, 4 parks, 2 water parks, disney springs, and so much more, you think they would make leaps and bounds more money than Disneyland resort with just 3,000ish rooms, a small downtown disney, and 2 parks, and a mostly local visitor count of APs who aren't spending nearly as much at the gate on average than visitors to walt disney world. But WDW has to pay property taxes, pay for their own roadway construction and transportation infrastructure. Their overhead is astronomical which is why they spend all their money on hotels and timeshares and the magic band infrastructure that are all designed to earn money and have gone so long without spending on things in the parks that would actually draw people to them and give guests the most value but would not directly generate a profit. Disneyland Resort's hotel occupancy rate is sky high because they don't have as many rooms as wdw, so even though it seems like less people want to utilize that resort as a destination, those who do stay there end up paying a few hundred dollars more per hotel per night than they would if the same facilities were located in wdw and had to compete with all of their deluxe resort offerings. The resorts profits are shockingly comparable.

The narrative that they are actively leaving the state to pursue profits in better business climates is dead wrong. WDW is their flagship resort because of its size at 42,000 acres and brand awareness worldwide. But they bought that land in Orlando 50 years ago. Them building outside of California isn't a current event worth reading in to. Disneyland resort is actually more likely to be the current company's ideal buildout/operation. Lowest overhead, smallest footprint, largest profit margins. It is more alike hkdl, tkdl, sdl, and the shrinking disneyland paris property than wdw.

This is so wrong. WDW probably makes way more in profit. I don't think you understand that WDW prices include things like transportation. Also, government regulations and taxes in CA are astronomical compared to FL. I am willing to wager WDW's resorts alone make more than the entire DLR.

 

[nevol]

This is so wrong. WDW probably makes way more in profit.

This is so wrong. You probably haven't seen the actual numbers. They're shocking.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

This is so wrong. You probably haven't seen the actual numbers. They're shocking.

I haven't but without seeing them myself there is no way to convince me that's DLR makes more profit than WDW.

 

[TROR]

I’d you believe that to be the case...I grant your point.

I’m somewhat familiar with the Anaheim issues...I have taken time to read more and more lately to familiarize myself (a lost art)...but I don’t think they would be building more in Anaheim now if the politics were more friendly...the investment elsewhere serves different agendas. Money...the only agenda.

All master plans are overstated...has been especially true over the last 2 regimes. I was last there in 2016...before they announced the hotel going in on downtown...and i don’t see how that Eisner era masterplan would have worked? Where is the land?

Please Google Westcot Resort and 3rd Disney park Anaheim. The answers to your questions are out there if you'd trouble yourself to look. Now, let's get back on topic.

Such a shame we didn't get this version of the Resort. Everything about it is just wonderful.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

West Coasters wouldn't have known what to do with a version of EPCOT.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Such a shame we didn't get this version of the Resort. Everything about it is just wonderful.

Imagine how much that vision would be getting ripped apart for franchises. Instead of Pixar Pier we’d be getting Pixarport.

 

[TROR]

Imagine how much that vision would be getting ripped apart for franchises. Instead of Pixar Pier we’d be getting Pixarport.

Another possible outcome, what if Disneyland Paris (and WestCot) was a smash hit, would Disney then see value in highly themed original experiences over IPs?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Another possible outcome, what if Disneyland Paris (and WestCot) was a smash hit, would Disney then see value in highly themed original experiences over IPs?

The problem isn’t one of value but legitimacy.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This is so wrong. You probably haven't seen the actual numbers. They're shocking.

Wdw’s Profit is at the gift shop...are you looking at number?

 

[DanielBB8]

Another possible outcome, what if Disneyland Paris (and WestCot) was a smash hit, would Disney then see value in highly themed original experiences over IPs?

The corporate sponsorship model collapsed. So they need to rethink their approach. Disneyland Paris is not the same issue. That they went with the Studios park, which can be compared with California Adventure, means they pretty much given up on high ticket high concept theme parks in that era. Note: Except for Animal Kingdom and Tokyo DisneySea (paid by OLC).

 

[nevol]

I haven't but without seeing them myself there is no way to convince me that's DLR makes more profit than WDW.

It makes more.. but not way more. Certainly not 28,000 more hotel rooms, 2 more water parks, and 2 more theme parks more. Bob Iger said as much in interviews recently. They aren't focused on a third park for anaheim because additional parks come with additional overhead-cast members, infrastructure, etc. The ratio of revenues to expenditures doesn't make sense.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

It makes more.. but not way more. Certainly not 28,000 more hotel rooms, 2 more water parks, and 2 more theme parks more. Bob Iger said as much in interviews recently. They aren't focused on a third park for anaheim because additional parks come with additional overhead-cast members, infrastructure, etc. The ratio of revenues to expenditures doesn't make sense.

Too bad no one at 1401 Flower cares about capacity or thoughtful design because they’ll need more gates stateside to cope with their poor planning.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Wdw’s Profit is at the gift shop...are you looking at number?

... WDW’s profit margin margin is the result of departments and business units doing everything they can to maximize profit, regardless of quality or show. (I mean those things in a holistic sense)

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

... WDW’s profit margin margin is the result of departments and business units doing everything they can to maximize profit, regardless of quality or show. (I mean those things in a holistic sense)

It really depends on how you assign it...

What “makes” more?

A $39.95 Mickey plush sold at a MK gift shop built in a sweatshop for pennies and shipped en masse to be sold by a federally subsidized college programmer?

...or a mechanic fixing space mountain for the 5th time?
...or a “complimentary” bus that requires gallons of Dino-fuel, a driver and a ton of wear and tear maintenance?

...I mean...it is what it is.


The contention was by a west coaster that Disneyland makes tons and WDW is break even...
...my advice is don’t have that guy do your taxes.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

It really depends on how you assign it...

What “makes” more?

A $39.95 Mickey plush sold at a MK gift shop built in a sweatshop for pennies and shipped en masse to be sold by a federally subsidized college programmer?

...or a mechanic fixing space mountain for the 5th time?
...or a “complimentary” bus that requires gallons of Dino-fuel, a driver and a ton of wear and tear maintenance?

...I mean...it is what it is.


The contention was by a west coaster that Disneyland makes tons and WDW is break even...
...my advice is don’t have that guy do your taxes.

WDW is in better shape than DL as of the November of last year.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Can someone explain to me why WDW is adding a gondola transportation system?

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Since we apparently aren't going to continue discussing Disney and Garden Grove...

Is it reasonable to assume that WDW's enormous operating expenses put a big dent in its profits relative to DLR? It can't be cheap to maintain all the non-revenue generating infastructure such as roads, flood control waterways, and transportation systems across the 30,000 acre property.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Can someone explain to me why we’re talking about WDW at all in this thread?

 

[Phroobar]

Can someone explain to me why WDW is adding a gondola transportation system?

To torture the alligators.