Disneyland considering building new hotels in Garden Grove

[Darkbeer1]

So at what point do the citizens and/or leaders of Garden Grove tire of Disney's antics and thwart this project with their demands? Surely they can't be blind to what's happening on the other side of their border.

What Antics?

Garden Grove has been looking for Tourist Dollars for Decades, they like what they saw with the Anaheim actions of offering incentives to bring businesses into the city.

They have tried to attract an Indian Casino, and other major attractions.

Like Anaheim, the built an area for car dealerships, Garden Grove's is off the 22 freeway. Both cities give back a portion of the sales taxes collected (as do many other cities) due to the high amount of sales taxes collected. (Some money is better than no money).

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/why-do-cities-offer-tax-incentives-to-businesses-1669514

Garden Grove has used tax incentives to get the Hotels near Harbor and Chapman, which also brought in new businesses. Same with the Great Wolf Lodge.

Why are so many cities trying to get the new Amazon Headquarters.

Why has car manufacturing end up in the Southern States? Why are so many TV shows filmed in Georgia?

Incentives brings growth and more revenue to the city coffers.

The Anaheim 4 Diamond Hotel deal was designed that the same amount of TOT taxes that a 3.5 star hotel would collect would still be collected for the city, and the amount over that amount would be offered as a rebate to offset the costs of the more expensive construction for 20 years, then the full amount would be kept by the city.

So the city didn't lose any revenue, and got a better Hotel that would attract clients that would spend more sales tax revenue, create new and higher paying jobs that would create more tips for those employees. New businesses to serve the new clientele, etc. And for Anaheim, Hotels that would cater to the city owned Convention Center, such as the Westin.

Garden Grove wants a piece of that pie, and I don't blame them.

 

[Darkbeer1]

I could still see Disney throwing GG a bone and building a DVC only property.

Why a DVC only property, why not use the Aulani model? (aka combo)

 

[Disney Irish]

Why a DVC only property, why not use the Aulani model? (aka combo)

I would prefer both. But if they had to offer GG something a DVC only property could be enough to make GG happy. Especially if this is just as political play to get Anaheim to play ball.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

What Antics?

Leading with this indicates you aren't even going to pretend to have a serious conversation, so I didn't bother reading any further.

 

[Darkbeer1]

I am sorry, the only Antics I have seen is from Unite HERE 11.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I am sorry, the only Antics I have seen is from Unite HERE 11.

Right, because Disney has played no part whatsoever in creating the labor and operational predicaments its currently facing. Congratulations, you've singlehandedly taken "Disney apologist" to a new level. Bye.

 

[Darkbeer1]

Does Disney have Operational issues? Plenty of them.

Does Disney have employment issues. No, for every job opening, Disney has multiple applicants competing for the job.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Does Disney have employment issues.

As someone who prides themselves on knowing Disney better than anyone else here it's surprising that you're unaware that Disney is currently in intense union labor negotions on both coasts because cast members at DLR and WDW are frustrated with their low pay. Bernie Sanders knew about it, I'm surprised you didn't.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Low pay for Disney employees? Shocking! Buncha white slavers.

 

[TP2000]

Can someone explain to me why WDW is adding a gondola transportation system?

Because Orlando has such a beautiful, mild and calm climate. Orlando’s climate is even more mild and more pleasant than Anaheim’s nearly perfect coastal Mediterranean climate.

So if you are in Orlando and don’t have to worry about daily thunderstorms, or stifling heat and humidity 8 months out of the year, why wouldn’t you build a non-air conditioned aerial gondola system to move tens of thousands of people per day?

Those TDO suits are brilliant!

 

[Darkbeer1]

As someone who prides themselves on knowing Disney better than anyone else here it's surprising that you're unaware that Disney is currently in intense union labor negotions on both coasts because cast members at DLR and WDW are frustrated with their low pay. Bernie Sanders knew about it, I'm surprised you didn't.

Come on, Hans. I know more about the Living Wage Initiative than 99.8% of Anaheim Citizens, including the Mayor and Councilmembers. I would say the City Attorney knows a bit more, but since I was asked to help him, well, enough said on that.

I know much More than Bernie Sanders, who was handed a few talking points by UniteHERE.

I also know about the offer Disney made to the Disneyland Master Service Council, including details that are not yet public.

I have talked to many CM's outside of work, and to them, I was just someone sitting at a table. They came up to me, told me what they thought, and what they have been told by their unions.

I am not interested in playing word games.

 

[nevol]

Sooo when does Unite HERE 11 and Disneyland team up to advocate for more housing construction in Anaheim?

 

[Darkbeer1]

Sooo when does Unite HERE 11 and Disneyland team up to advocate for more housing construction in Anaheim?

Way off topic. But Anaheim is in a bind due to lack of land to build new housing, and those properties available to build are expensive to buy, and with the high costs attached by State Government (over $100,000 per housing unit). This is similar to many other areas in the State, such as the Bay Area.

Disneyland is part of a business alliance in Orange County to build more shelter and temporary housing for those in dire need.

As far as I know, UniteHERE has done nothing in regards to the housing problem except to complain about it. In fact, they support Union employment to build new housing, adding to the costs to build them.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I am not interested in playing word games

Yet you asked "What antics?".

 

[Darkbeer1]

http://www.anaheimblog.net/2018/06/...class-warfare-rhetoric-misses-resort-reality/

>>
The Disneyland Resort and other Resort business want good employees. The competition for those employees in a tight labor market tends to put upward pressure on wages.


The reality is there is upward mobility for workers at the Disneyland Resort and other Anaheim Resort business. Some three-quarters of Disneyland management worked their way up from the hourly cast member ranks, because the company provides multiple pathways to learn and rise and be promoted from within. 89 percent of entry-level leadership roles in parks operations in the last five years have been filled by hourly cast members.


Earlier this year, Disney announced it would commit an initial $50 million – and at least $25 million annually thereafter – to provide tuition assistance and other support for its employees who are interested in earning a college degree or acquiring more job skills through vocational training. Companies spend that kind of money because investing in the education and training of employees is smart business that benefits all involved. If the “corporate greed” narrative of Bernie Sanders and his acolytes were true, these companies would simply add those millions to the mountains of profit that so torture the consciences of progressive activists,


In addition, the company provides multiple training and career development opportunities. The fact that so many cast members want to make their career at Disney parks speaks to the strength of the overall employment experience, with 86 percent saying they are proud of their roles and the work they do, and 90 percent who believe Disney is a leader in the marketplace.


The Disneyland Resort employment numbers has 10,000 new jobs in recent years – for a total of 30,000 employees – making the resort the largest employer in Orange County. Thousands more operations jobs will be added to that number following the opening of Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge and other expansion project – and that doesn’t include 2,000 construction jobs since 2016.<<

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

http://www.anaheimblog.net/2018/06/...class-warfare-rhetoric-misses-resort-reality/

>>
The Disneyland Resort and other Resort business want good employees. The competition for those employees in a tight labor market tends to put upward pressure on wages.


The reality is there is upward mobility for workers at the Disneyland Resort and other Anaheim Resort business. Some three-quarters of Disneyland management worked their way up from the hourly cast member ranks, because the company provides multiple pathways to learn and rise and be promoted from within. 89 percent of entry-level leadership roles in parks operations in the last five years have been filled by hourly cast members.


Earlier this year, Disney announced it would commit an initial $50 million – and at least $25 million annually thereafter – to provide tuition assistance and other support for its employees who are interested in earning a college degree or acquiring more job skills through vocational training. Companies spend that kind of money because investing in the education and training of employees is smart business that benefits all involved. If the “corporate greed” narrative of Bernie Sanders and his acolytes were true, these companies would simply add those millions to the mountains of profit that so torture the consciences of progressive activists,


In addition, the company provides multiple training and career development opportunities. The fact that so many cast members want to make their career at Disney parks speaks to the strength of the overall employment experience, with 86 percent saying they are proud of their roles and the work they do, and 90 percent who believe Disney is a leader in the marketplace.


The Disneyland Resort employment numbers has 10,000 new jobs in recent years – for a total of 30,000 employees – making the resort the largest employer in Orange County. Thousands more operations jobs will be added to that number following the opening of Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge and other expansion project – and that doesn’t include 2,000 construction jobs since 2016.<<

I was enjoying all your expertise/insight...

...until this one.

I assume that you don’t follow this narrative in your day to day? It’s a
Smokescreen...it sounds exactly like the tricks/games played at TDO and the Orlando chamber of commerce for decades...

I’m not calling disney “evil”. Just “normal” for stock hoarders...and that means they still
Demand incentives, depress wages till the last man, and use what they do “give” to achieve a convuluted and multi layered agenda that is overly advantageous to them.
And this regime is even more stock greedy than the old one...who was thrown out for greed and cheapquels in a bad economy.

What the others posters have said is correct: they are facing massive organized internal labor pressure on both coasts...I’m shocked the trades in Orlando haven’t collapsed in negotiations...they ALWAYS have. It’s quite amazing.

If I were disney...I’d be supporting candidates that are going to pursue the national $15 wage agenda...it would take the Wall Street pressure off them in the long run. And it will
Lock that in for some
Time and allow them to outpace it with Bob’s “luxury” pricing for the teacups. These things will happen. A large mass of the country with no earnings or wealth will eventually become too big to BS...it’s probably already there.

 

[Darkbeer1]

Investors need to make money.

I bought my first house using Disney Stock mI sold as a down payment.

Some of my Retirement Money is invested in Disney Stock.

Many Public and private pensions are heavily invested in Disney, including CalPERS.

Bob Iger was about to walk away, but the Disney Board wanted him to stay, and to make the FOX deal actually happen, something that is not a sure thing, in fact, Disney might not get everything they want, with the European SKY Broadcast system being the one thing in the most jeopardy. If Disney doesn't end up with FOX, expect a cutback in the Disney Workforce.

I am very glad that Disney announced the new educational benefits for CM's earlier this year, and is offering more in the newest offer.

But if you want a fun, easy job with nice perks as sign in privileges don't expect much pay. These are not jobs to truly live on, especially if you need to support more than yourself.

The job market is strong, heck, go to governmentjobs.com, there are plenty of entry level jobs with better pay and benefits.

A CM walked up to me at a recent event, said hello, and identified herself as a CM. She had three kids in tow. She said she took the job to make some extra spending money, and for the sign in privileges. She happens to be a CM selling tickets in the Main Entry Plaza booths. She understands those jobs will be shrinking as more folks opt to buy in advance, or on their smartphones.

She also talked about those driving in from San Bernardino to be a CM, and what are they thinking? The amount of take home pay is eaten up by the transportation costs. Why not just get a job much closer to home?

I applaud those who work there way up into management. I also tip those in tipped positions, those I know don't care about the paycheck, what they want are good benefits and guaranteed hours, so they can make more tips.

I know CM's that have switched to Knott's and Universal for more pay.

Nobody is forced to work for Disney. As mentioned in the article above, Disney wants good employees, and in Anaheim has massive job growth, opening up more positions to allow CM's to move up into better paying jobs.

And I am lucky enough to know many that have moved up into very senior positions, and talk fondly of their first job as a hourly CM and how Disney helped them become a better person, with better skills and education.

I recently spent some time with the SFMM president/GM and how he worked his way up, a journey I witnessed for myself, and why were are friends. The opportunity is there, all you have to do is ask, and be willing to work for it. To me, that is truly the American Dream, and it is open to all.

 

[Robbiem]

Does anyone know what sites Disney would be looking at if this went ahead? It would be interesting to see where any resorts would be placed

 

[nevol]

Way off topic. But Anaheim is in a bind due to lack of land to build new housing, and those properties available to build are expensive to buy, and with the high costs attached by State Government (over $100,000 per housing unit). This is similar to many other areas in the State, such as the Bay Area.

Disneyland is part of a business alliance in Orange County to build more shelter and temporary housing for those in dire need.

As far as I know, UniteHERE has done nothing in regards to the housing problem except to complain about it. In fact, they support Union employment to build new housing, adding to the costs to build them.

Way off topic only because this is California. Otherwise, it really isn't. If disney's employees want higher wages to cover higher costs of living, mainly from out of control housing costs, and Disney doesn't want to pay them, then the city needs to have more housing for its resort district workforce. Thanks for the replies though!

 

[Travel Junkie]

Come on, Hans. I know more about the Living Wage Initiative than 99.8% of Anaheim Citizens, including the Mayor and Councilmembers. I would say the City Attorney knows a bit more, but since I was asked to help him, well, enough said on that.

I know much More than Bernie Sanders, who was handed a few talking points by UniteHERE.

I also know about the offer Disney made to the Disneyland Master Service Council, including details that are not yet public.

I have talked to many CM's outside of work, and to them, I was just someone sitting at a table. They came up to me, told me what they thought, and what they have been told by their unions.

I am not interested in playing word games.

You certainly have a high opinion of yourself. You like to portray yourself as an expert on all things Anaheim and Disney yet are only talking about things that already support your biased view. You will only get support from people that already see things the same way you do.

How would anyone who hasn't made up their mind or simply looking for more knowledge on the subject trust you when you refuse to see the entire picture?