Disney(World) vs. Disney(land)?

Atomicmickey

Atomicmickey

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Gatorboy said:
I don't understand the hate for clones. Jungle Cruise, Haunted Mansion, Space Mt.,Pirates, Big Thunder,Spalsh Mt.,Buzz, Peter Pan, Small World, Hall of Presidents, Tower Of Terror, Toy Story Mania, Rock & roller Coaster, Indy, Soarin, etc. Too many to mention, yet all the parks also have unique attractions or clones that just seem better than the others. I for one think the more clones the better. You can still have new rides, but don't discount the appeal of being able to see the "great attractions" from all around the world in one place. Also, most people do not have the means to travel to all the resorts around the world to see maybe one or two major attractions found else where. Cloning saves money which could mean more attractions under a set budget
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I don't mind a good clone, it's fun to debate which is better. Don't get me wrong, I'd be ecstatic if
they announced a RSR clone for DHS. BUT--that same general ride experience can already be had
at Test Track. I don't know that I'm all that excited to "ride" RSR--but I sure as heck want to SEE
that amazing mountain environment, and the show scenes. So a "mini-clone" might not have the
same appeal. If you're gonna clone, go big or go home! Bring the full mountain range to DHS,
then we're talkin', I think! (though I'd rather see Disney innovate a new hi-tech ride system like
HBFJ has done)
 
culturenthrills

culturenthrills

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NoChesterHester said:
5K per day = a gain of 2 million visitors per year. At $80 a head that is +$160 million in one year. Doesn't take long to pay off a big investment if any of those folks buy food + merchandise... Which they do.
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Yeah and we haven't even seen what the attendance is gonna be like once the SoCal and SoCal Select passholder summer blackouts end in late August. I imagine some of those passholders will be spending money in the parks. That is the other thing is how much their per guest spending goes up. That is where Universal Orlando has made even more gains. I have stood by the registers in the gift shop at the end of FJ and have never seen people spend the amount of money like that in a theme park before. One family after another dropping $100 or more on stuff.
 
Gatorboy

Gatorboy

Well-Known Member
Atomicmickey said:
I don't mind a good clone, it's fun to debate which is better. Don't get me wrong, I'd be ecstatic if
they announced a RSR clone for DHS. BUT--that same general ride experience can already be had
at Test Track. I don't know that I'm all that excited to "ride" RSR--but I sure as heck want to SEE
that amazing mountain environment, and the show scenes. So a "mini-clone" might not have the
same appeal. If you're gonna clone, go big or go home! Bring the full mountain range to DHS,
then we're talkin', I think! (though I'd rather see Disney innovate a new hi-tech ride system like
HBFJ has done)
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Exactly, TOT @ DHS is perfect example. None of the others compare. That being said, atleast people from all over can experience it in one form or another. I've been to DL, but probably will never see any of the international resorts.
 
Taylor

Taylor

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Atomicmickey said:
I don't mind a good clone, it's fun to debate which is better. Don't get me wrong, I'd be ecstatic if
they announced a RSR clone for DHS. BUT--that same general ride experience can already be had
at Test Track. I don't know that I'm all that excited to "ride" RSR--but I sure as heck want to SEE
that amazing mountain environment, and the show scenes. So a "mini-clone" might not have the
same appeal. If you're gonna clone, go big or go home! Bring the full mountain range to DHS,
then we're talkin', I think! (though I'd rather see Disney innovate a new hi-tech ride system like
HBFJ has done)
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I don't think the RSR is the same as test track argument is valid most of the classics at Disney world have the same ride system then a lot of the other rides there
 
Jimmy Thick

Jimmy Thick

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Looks like Captain Obvious has struck again.

Disneyland, with some smoke and mirrors and a billion dollars has a viable sister park that is not only amazing guests, but brininging in dollars as well, and people really think its news Disney might have noticed and are considering doing the same in Orlando?

Its the same as the "insiders" who state open ended garbage and then say, see I told you so, when its obvious they know nothing.

Que sera sera.

Jimmy Thick- Expect big things at the Studios, I can't say what because I don't know but I want people to think I know so I will pretend to give hints but have no idea...
 
Californian Elitist

Californian Elitist

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Gatorboy said:
I don't understand the hate for clones. Jungle Cruise, Haunted Mansion, Space Mt.,Pirates, Big Thunder,Spalsh Mt.,Buzz, Peter Pan, Small World, Hall of Presidents, Tower Of Terror, Toy Story Mania, Rock & roller Coaster, Indy, Soarin, etc. Too many to mention, yet all the parks also have unique attractions or clones that just seem better than the others. I for one think the more clones the better. You can still have new rides, but don't discount the appeal of being able to see the "great attractions" from all around the world in one place. Also, most people do not have the means to travel to all the resorts around the world to see maybe one or two major attractions found else where. Cloning saves money which could mean more attractions under a set budget
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I couldn't disagree more. Ever heard of individuality? It would be totally boring if all the parks had the same rides. No clones, individuality.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

Premium Member
Gatorboy said:
I don't understand the hate for clones. Jungle Cruise, Haunted Mansion, Space Mt.,Pirates, Big Thunder,Spalsh Mt.,Buzz, Peter Pan, Small World, Hall of Presidents, Tower Of Terror, Toy Story Mania, Rock & roller Coaster, Indy, Soarin, etc. Too many to mention, yet all the parks also have unique attractions or clones that just seem better than the others. I for one think the more clones the better.
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You leave out some significant metrics here tho... not all rides are created equal or are as interchangable.

Would it make sense to clone Spaceship earth everywhere? Or how about Grizzy Peak?

No - because these are attractions that not only serve as anchors, but serve as concept anchors or icons for their park or land. If you aren't duplicating the land.. the clone really starts to look lonely and serves less purpose (ToT at WDS Paris anyone??). If it anchors the park as an icon (like Grizzy Peak), trying to clone it really dillutes it's value at home and confuses the location where it was cloned.

RSR is that anchor for Carsland - and to take RSR out of Carsland seriously cuts back at it's value and impression. And it would take alot of the steam out of DCA's reboot.

Rides like Buzz were always just supporting cast.. they are there to be enjoyed, not be the icon for the land or even possibly the entire park's identity. That's why you can't take a blind approach to just 'is it successful? clone it!'
 
fractal

fractal

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photoginit said:
Yeah and we haven't even seen what the attendance is gonna be like once the SoCal and SoCal Select passholder summer blackouts end in late August. I imagine some of those passholders will be spending money in the parks. That is the other thing is how much their per guest spending goes up. That is where Universal Orlando has made even more gains. I have stood by the registers in the gift shop at the end of FJ and have never seen people spend the amount of money like that in a theme park before. One family after another dropping $100 or more on stuff.
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Carsland is printing money - every food stand and store is packed. We waited 30 minutes for a soft serve ice cream at 9pm.
 
Lee

Lee

Adventurer
Jimmy Thick said:
...and people really think its news Disney might have noticed and are considering doing the same in Orlando?
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The news isn't that Disney might be thinking of doing something in Orlando. That's no surprise.
It's that TDO is actively pursuing the help from Burbank, and that what they want (RSR) may set up a bit of a power struggle between the two coasts.
Jimmy Thick said:
Its the same as the "insiders" who state open ended garbage and then say, see I told you so, when its obvious they know nothing.
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Who does that?
 
Buried20KLeague

Buried20KLeague

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El Grupo said:
Also, wouldn't be shocked if one more more former Disney P & R executives were offered an opportunity to return.
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I would LOVE to see Matt Ouimet get to take a shot at running WDW.

I ran into him at the last two Pirates of the Caribbean movie premeire parties, which were both after he had left the helm at Disneyland... And he was chatting up plenty of the Disney brass that was on hand, so obivously he hasn't burned any bridges with TWDC.

I'm sure it won't happen, but boy, I'd love to see it.
 
DocMcHulk

DocMcHulk

Well-Known Member
Lee said:
The news isn't that Disney might be thinking of doing something in Orlando. That's no surprise.
It's that TDO is actively pursuing the help from Burbank, and that what they want (RSR) may set up a bit of a power struggle between the two coasts.

Who does that?
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I thought TDO originally wanted Carsland/RSR, but didnt want to spend the money. Or, was it that The left coast essentially blocked them from getting it?
 
Enchantâmes

Enchantâmes

Active Member
In my opinion Epcot needs the most work done... the entire from half of the park makes no sense anymore and 1/3 of the pavilions are complete embarrassments at this point... (Imagination, Energy, IMO SPACE, The ending of SSE) At least DHS has a good line up of attractions Epcot has a few, but most of them have been so butchered or just left to become stale and outdated. Sadly it is the weakest of the four and seeing as it was my favorite park that's saying something.
 
J

Jim Handy

Active Member
Disney beat EPS estimates of $.93 with $1.01.

Deatils on Parks and Resorts coming shortly. Revenue for Parks up 9%, Operating Income up 21%.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

Premium Member
fractal said:
Disney down a bit after earnings - light on top line revenue.
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“We had a phenomenal third quarter, delivering the largest quarterly earnings in
the history of our company,” said Robert A. Iger, Chairman and CEO of The Walt Disney
Company. “Earnings per share were up 31% over last year, driven by growth in every
one of our businesses. We also delivered record earnings per share for the first nine
months of our fiscal year, and we believe our results clearly demonstrate Disney’s unique
value proposition and great potential to deliver long-term growth.”
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