Disney(World) vs. Disney(land)?

asianway

asianway

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GLaDOS said:
DL has lost 2-3K a day, but DCA has gained 5-10, so it's still an overall gain.
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Load balancing was the intent when DCA opened and it never happened. DL has been stressed beyond what was intended due to that failure. It is now correcting itself which was why the reboot was done.
 
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Jim Handy

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twinnstar said:
Will his concern ever shift his focus to WDW? Or is that not somewhere he needs to be to get things done? I guess what im asking is - if he turned around tomorrow and suddenly wanted to focus on WDW, would things HAPPEN cause of the power he has? (i know that wont happen, just being hypothetical..)
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He will always have a DL bias. He has ties there long before his days at Pixar.

He hasn't had much of a chance to take a shot at WDW. As soon as he came to the Company they had him focus on WDFA...then DCA and somewhere in there he picked up the reigns for Cars 2 and still tried to be around Pixar.

Even though I understand he's sometimes a bit of a kid in a candy store, given the opportunity, O think he would do good things in WDW. He has the power to do so.
 
asianway

asianway

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Jim Handy said:
He will always have a DL bias. He has ties there long before his days at Pixar.

He hasn't had much of a chance to take a shot at WDW. As soon as he came to the Company they had him focus on WDFA...then DCA and somewhere in there he picked up the reigns for Cars 2 and still tried to be around Pixar.

Even though I understand he's sometimes a bit of a kid in a candy store, given the opportunity, O think he would do good things in WDW. He has the power to do so.
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What do you think JL would say about this rumor of a semi-automated Jungle Cruise spiel?
 
misterID

misterID

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WDW1974 said:
Or we could subtitle this post: WDW is in dire trouble and they finally get that timeshares, data mining and cost-cutting won't be enough to cut it.

There's been a lot of chatter of late about WDW and its response to Potter (or lack thereof), but WDW no longer needs just a Potter Swatter or a Transformers Trasher ... and apparently the suits are starting to get VERY worried.

And, yes, that's why you've heard of grandiose plans to redo TPFKaTD-MGMS and drop part of Carsland in (actually as near as I can tell, it's simply RSRs, a shop, and a snack stand, but it could well be more and I don't know what has been proposed to whom at this point). ... Because of the Pandoran Delegations delays in bringing blue aliens to DAK, there's a strong push to get this done and started soon (like as soon as the next fiscal year) and have it open first.

I admit that it is surprising. I've fought it. And I hate the idea that RSRs could wind up in FLA ...BTW, so does Georgie K and TDA because there's a thought that the larger resort will siphon many of the new visitors to Anaheim away if the larger one suddenly has the biggest piece of the redevelopment puzzle ... and John Lasseter could step in and stop this too. This is a VERY fluid situation because Anaheim never expected their top new attraction to suddenly be desired by their cross country cheaper cousin. They, somewhat naturally, don't want to share. And WDW is set to debut Test Track 2.0, but that in no way is an equalizer.

But Kathy Mangum was one of the top folks on Carsland and she now will be residing at Celebration Place, and it isn't because she's replacing Jim MacPhee on Next Gen or because she needs to reign in Joe Rohde's travel expense account.

Right now TDO is running scared (like a fanboi an at Imagineering party who has just tried a 'special' punch and feels a little 'funny'). They have a stale product. They realize (even if some fanbois don't) FINALLY that the modest Fantasyland project isn't enough and they know getting aliens into DAK is not going to be an easy or quick task at all. They also get that timeshare sales may make the bottom line look vastly better than it should, but those won't last forever.

Resort attendance this summer has been abysmal at times (no, you shouldn't have resort load levels in the 60s in the summer!), both DME and DDP are way down. The parks have been lighter than they should be (with the exception of the water parks, which are having phenomenal summers).

The DDP problem many at TDO suspect is because people are opting to either not stay on-site or spend days away from their rooms at POP, PO or the BW making them less likely to get tied down to a meal plan that makes Disney a small fortune.

They are looking to cut costs across the board, because that IS the best way TDO knows how to operate. That's why there is not one single midnight MK closing in August (with many 9 and 10 p.m. nights). That is why they have already announced an hour being removed from EMHs. They are looking at cutting entertainment budgets yet again. ... And also expect to start seeing (if they haven't started yet, conflicting info on this) to have even more staggered hours for attractions. In other words, don't be shocked if Jungle Cruise or PoC starts opening at 11 a.m. when the park is open at 9 (those are just possibilities, so don't say I said that was definitely happening!)

Some resort dining locales may soon see shorter operating hours and lose meals entirely (does any of this sound like WDW in the past?)

Disney also will be taking more hotel inventory out for 'rehab; likely as we head into 2013. That is again a bottom-line as well as PR move. If you remove say 600 rooms for 'work' at ASMu, then you may be able to crow that the resort is 87% full -- now, of course it won't be, but that doesn't matter so much. And work will be coming to many resorts starting next year.

Now, I don't want this to read like bad news, because it actually appears that TDO's running scared because of the competition and Burbank is keeping closer tabs and realizes something needs to be done. ... And while you'll likely see smaller projects at all parks (I'd definitely expect to see Wishes replaced by something better when the new parade debuts now -- that's just an educated opinion there, not fact), it certainly looks like the weak sister Studios will be where the action happens (no, no Marvel, fanbois!)

That shouldn't really surprise, though, because the park most like DCA in Florida is, and always has been, TPFKaTD-MGMS.

Again, I really think this will be GOOD news down the road. But look for more cost cutting, penny pinching and cast and guest screwing until we get there!
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Again, I really think this will be GOOD news down the road. But look for more cost cutting, penny pinching and cast and guest screwing until we get there!

You know things are bad when posts like this gets you optomistic.
 
MerlinTheGoat

MerlinTheGoat

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The question i'd pose to insiders is, if given the opportunity, would John Lasseter actually want to work on big WDW projects? Or is he only interested in Disneyland related projects and doesn't really want anything to do with WDW?
 
orky8

orky8

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RSoxNo1 said:
Us realistic fans have been saying this for a while now. Theme Park Wars are indeed going on, and if the two companies truly want to do battle we as consumers should reep the benefits with fantastic new attractions. We've seen some fantastic additions with Forbidden Journey, Transformers and Radiator Springs Racers, here's hoping that's just the tip of the iceberg (and no, that's not a James Cameron reference).
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You know who else reaps the benefits? USH, USO, and TDA! All three of those resorts are booming, and for good reason. Now if only TDO would pull their heads out of their $#%#s and realize that creating new and immersive attractions is a win-win, we'd all be in good shape. Fortunately, it sounds like that may finally be happening.
 
Tim Lohr

Tim Lohr

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It's good to her that something is finally coming to WDW, but it's funny to me the that keep cramming things into MK and DHS, which are the 2 parks with the land locked layouts, while Epcot and AK which have had room for expansion set aside from day one rarely get anything new
 
Taylor

Taylor

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So would the DHS expansion be what we always say it should be removing the backlot tour and LMA and expanding Pixar into there or did TDO come up with another idea for a pixar expansion
 
danv3

danv3

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I read an analyst preview suggesting good profit and revenue growth for Disney, with theme parks cited as "a major driver of revenue improvement."

I guess we'll wait and see.
 
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Jim Handy

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bstiles said:
Not to derail a thread but have they released Q3 earnings yet?
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Close of the stock market. CNBC will cover it thoroughly, sometimes Iger does an interview. Earnings call with Bob and Jay will follow. Disney streams that, I'll put up a link when the time comes.
 
fractal

fractal

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Mickey_777 said:
That's the first time I've heard this. DCA is bursting at the seams but DL park is logging short wait times for it's major attractions. 35 min wait for Indy in the middle of the summer? Wierd. Something's not adding up.
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I was at DLR two weeks ago during the middle of the week. Everyday was a "10" day for DCA on touringplans while DL was a 9.0 to 9.5. The waits I saw for Indian Jones was 45-60 minutes. During the day you could barely make your way through Adventureland it was so crowded.
 
El Grupo

El Grupo

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Nothing more than opinion...wouldn't be surprised to see a few internal power struggles lead to some folks in TDA taking leadership roles in Orlando. Also, wouldn't be shocked if one more more former Disney P & R executives were offered an opportunity to return.
 
Gatorboy

Gatorboy

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I don't understand the hate for clones. Jungle Cruise, Haunted Mansion, Space Mt.,Pirates, Big Thunder,Spalsh Mt.,Buzz, Peter Pan, Small World, Hall of Presidents, Tower Of Terror, Toy Story Mania, Rock & roller Coaster, Indy, Soarin, etc. Too many to mention, yet all the parks also have unique attractions or clones that just seem better than the others. I for one think the more clones the better. You can still have new rides, but don't discount the appeal of being able to see the "great attractions" from all around the world in one place. Also, most people do not have the means to travel to all the resorts around the world to see maybe one or two major attractions found else where. Cloning saves money which could mean more attractions under a set budget
 

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