Disney(World) vs. Disney(land)?

[janoimagine]

In the real world that could be called plagiarism ... if you don't believe me, just ask my good pal Fareed Zakaria.

I'll just take it as the sincerest form of flattery.

You sir are better man than I ... peronally I would take it as some tart lacking any real inside knowledge just bulletpointing the key points they found from a well informed poster on another site ... but thats just too obvious.

And on an note unrelated to this post, but referencing another, is it me or do the Social Media seem to be growing in both numbers and nerve? I would love just once to see one of them truly call a spade a spade and not sugarcoat their blogs in an attempt to gain more street cred with the Disney brass.

 

[WDW1974]

I've had flights to-from Tokyo and Tampa that only took 13 hours and cost about $1,200 (kayak.com is the best place to find rates)

You can get even better deals if you just play around.

A friend is going LAX-Singapore-Tokyo Narita-LAX for under $750 (all in) in September on Delta. He's spending the first week in Singapore and the second in Tokyo. I think he's using miles to get from MCO out there. But the point is for all the talk about how pricey international travel can be (and it can), I find what most people pay to visit WDW for a week to be appallingly pricey.

You take away one or two of your WDW 'getaways' that you convince yourself aren't pricey until you come back with the cash gone and another grand or two on your AmEx and use that for REAL travel and you'll be better for it.

 

[WDW1974]

The best times to go, IMO are early April (before Golden Week) and early October

I went for 11 days straddling November and December 2010 and found it damn near perfect both weather-wise and (for the four and a half days spent at TDR) crowd-wise too.

 

[WDW1974]

There is probably a germ of truth to it. But we have been told about so many so-called scandals lately that after awhile I become suspicious. Lasseter may be upset over the marketing of John Carter but would that be enough to want to take down Iger? This does not pass the logic test in my opinion.

Fine to believe it, but doesn't make it reality. ... Iger and Ross basically tried to ruin Stanton as a filmmaker because they didn't want any of D-I-C-K Cook's projects to look good. Ross so masterfully buried it that it never had a chance (I still haven't seen it, so I can't comment as to what I think of it).

But Stanton and JL talk all the time and he told him what was happening (of course, most of Hollywood knew) and Iger wouldn't budge. The relationship died then. And I doubt you'll see them in counseling either.
but if the WDC BoD had to choose between losing Bob or losing John who do you really think they'd pick. Seriously ...

And is Iger the one who is upset more has not been invested at WDW and Lasseter wants the money for DL? Or is it Lasseter who feels WDW is getting shortchanged?

Because I thought we were told Lasseter only cared about Disneyland.

The only ones who ever suggested that were either WDW fans or Lasseter haters. The man wants the best for all Disney parks. He just has a particular fondness for the one where he worked and where his son works today. JL certainly sees that WDW needs money, but he isn't as close as he is to DLR where he can be seen on a very regular basis.

Really some of the "truths" we are told are really getting convoluted. Not talking about you but info from other "experts".

Really, JT. You think just cause he's a Brit, he's also a Twit and doesn't see you kissing up? Despite what you may think, there are more than one important and well-connected Spirit on this forum and their opinions are very much in step (no, they don't always agree on everything ... but they do on the big stuff). You should consider that in the future and things will be much more pleasant for everyone.

 

[WDW1974]

Exactly what I said to my wife when I read that. We haven't been to WDW since 10/2010 and are going next week. Yet, I can't think of anything new additions.

On the other hand, we've been to Disneyland 3-4 times between the 2 Disney trips, and there have been significant additions each time. And that isn't including Carsland and Buena Vista Street. (Last visit was in May).

Well, it's very easy to say almost nothing 'new' has come to WDW since Everest ... that was 6 1/2 years ago.

Sure, Studios got TSMM and Star Tours 2.0 (but Anaheim has both now ... hell, so does Tokyo) ... the only other addition would be the AIE and that isn't exactly a must-do for most guests.

There just hasn't been new product of any kind (beyond timeshares and dining locations) since that 2006 date really. And it wasn't like there was a building boom going on before it, either.

 

[flynnibus]

The DIS piece was just horrible writing and should just be dismissed outright and ignored. It didn't take credit for anything.. It basically just said 'here is suff other people are saying inline' and did a horrible job at that too.

 

[Taylor]

Fine to believe it, but doesn't make it reality. ... Iger and Ross basically tried to ruin Stanton as a filmmaker because they didn't want any of D-I-C-K Cook's projects to look good. Ross so masterfully buried it that it never had a chance (I still haven't seen it, so I can't comment as to what I think of it).

But Stanton and JL talk all the time and he told him what was happening (of course, most of Hollywood knew) and Iger wouldn't budge. The relationship died then. And I doubt you'll see them in counseling either.
but if the WDC BoD had to choose between losing Bob or losing John who do you really think they'd pick.

John Carter was BAD it looked decent (the female lead looked really good) but the script was dead and lifeless

 

[culturenthrills]

BTW, I've been told for a decade plus that the reason Disney won't bring Indy to FL is because it believes it already has it at DAK (just a darker, lesser version with AA dinos that are broken). That's why I scoffed when first hearing that RSRs was on TDO's wish list because they have its much blander brother up the street in TT. But maybe Disney is following UNI's lead ... they have Spidey at IOA, but it's not preventing Transformers from sprouting up too.

I know and that is soooo stupid. If you had the average tourist ride Indy and Dinosaur they wouldn't even realize it had the same layout. Dinosaur pales compared to Indy. For years they could have put Indy at DHS and it would have gone a long way to improving that park. It is because of dumb thinking like that, that they have dug themselves into the hole they are in right now.

 

[asianway]

The DIS piece was just horrible writing and should just be dismissed outright and ignored. It didn't take credit for anything.. It basically just said 'here is suff other people are saying inline' and did a horrible job at that too.

Groan...is there a thread over there about the article and dare I go read it...

 

[IlikeDW]

Oh, do I need a dose of said Pixie Dust badly.

This week I hope to finally get my trip affairs in order.

But, seriously, (since I am trying to have about 54 different conversations at once) what is wrong with fans who think they are Disney fans, but have been to WDW 27 times since 1998 (all staying on property) and NEVER have gone to DL or taken a DCL voyage or tried one of the international resorts?

Is it fear of change? Something new? The 'I love vanilla ice cream so why should I ever try anything else syndrome?''

For some it could be the cost. I am making second DisneyLand trip this coming week but it ends up costing me a bit short of double to fly to CA vs 8.5 hr Drive to Orlando. Obviously we decided it was worth the extra. DL Oct 09, WDW Jan '11, DL Aug '12

 

[asianway]

Can I get paid for that?

(this is social media where you can steal whatever you want ... I think I'll go into business selling DVDs of WDW's parks and ... what? ... Really? ... For Years? .... And the legal eagles haven't been on his ?!?!? ... um ... nevermind)

BTW, have any of you paid attention to how many of the Disney Social Media Whores conduct themselves in the Twitverse? Doesn't Disney read these and think ... 'you know, it's great that Timmy Smith will say our toilet water tastes great if we give him a chance to stand close enough to smell Joe Rohde, but maybe the fact these folks come off as total psychos while discussing our products should give us some pause as to whether whatever gain they give to us is actually worth the fact they are flat out loons.''

You touched on this a bit in the legendary post, but in a world where legit celebrities end up in endless trouble, can we get the Magic Big Board out and take action on which of these guys end up in trouble with the Polk County Sheriff or another one of the fine Central FL law enforcement units for some indiscretion?

Certainly has the potential to drag the mouse in a not so nice place when someone ends up on page 4 of the Sentinels police blotter

 

[WDW1974]

That's just terrible.. I know adding more monorail seems to be out of the question (according to what I read here), but have they considered a train instead? Maybe have it shaped as a monorail car? I don't know, I just thought of that off the top of my head. Has a transport plan even been discussed at all?? Ugh! So depressing

I always (well, about every 5-6-7 years) hear about a major transport 'study' going on and how it is going to result in something being done and nothing ever changes. Monorail expansion was last seriously discussed in the 90s. Reliable monorail transport (a la TDR) still makes the most sense. I'm not saying connect the entire resort, but at least go with the plan from the early 90s where you connect EPCOT to the Studios with a stop for the EPCOT resorts (across from where the YC CC is now was the original plan). Perhaps, after that, you do a leg down Buena Vista Drive to DD, OKW, SS (possibly TL too).

You can't connect the whole resort, so you have to think what makes the most sense and solves the most issues.

 

[Kuhio]

Many Americans are flat out bred to fear leaving and believe everything here is better than anywhere else. I can tell you without one bit of doubt that sure as (blank) not true with Disney theme parks.

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I don't care if it's going up to Canada or down to Costa Rica, there are so many places Americans should open themselves up to. They'll realize what's great about the USA and what isn't so great, by getting out of their comfort zones.

It does boil down to fear -- fear that if you look too closely or critically at something, or really make a careful comparison with other like items, you might see areas for improvement.

And the idea that something you ostensibly love -- whether it be your country or the theme parks you grew up with -- could stand being improved is itself frightening, because many people have the sense that there's nothing they can do themselves to bring about a positive change. In the face of that feeling of powerlessness, the easy response is simply to pretend that there's absolutely nothing wrong.

Correspondingly, it's this tendency toward denial that leads to the attitude that if you don't unconditionally support every aspect of your country (or Walt Disney World, etc.) then you must necessarily hate it... when precisely the opposite is more often the case.

 

[WDW1974]

74 do you think RSR (if it happens) will be apart of a larger Pixar expansion or will that be the only thing for Pixar and they will focus on the rest of DHS

whether or not RSRs gets the FLA green light, rest assured plenty of Pixar projects (big, medium and small) are on the possibilities list.

Count on seeing some of them no matter what direction this project takes.

 

[WDW1974]

I'm here, enjoying a nice Sam Adams Harvest Pumpkin whilst digesting all of this. Spent the entire day demo-ing my kitchen, and unwinding now. Keep up the excellent work my friend.

Do I even wish to know why the kitchen got the Soundstage 44 treatment today?

 

[xdan0920]

whether or not RSRs gets the FLA green light, rest assured plenty of Pixar projects (big, medium and small) are on the possibilities list.

Count on seeing some of them no matter what direction this project takes.

Up until Cars 2.0, Pixar was leading the world in creative, beautiful, money making movies. So count me as someone who is excited to see more Pixar based attractions and shows. Just don't crowbar them in where they don't belong. ALA Monsters Inc Laugh Floor.

Do I even wish to know why the kitchen got the Soundstage 44 treatment today?

New home, first big project. The old kitchen was non-functional, been here about 2 weeks, lots and lots of grilling. Finally taking the first steps towards a fancy new kitchen. It'll be nice to cook indoors again.

 

[terp79]

So as I sit hear with my jaunty beverage and read the latest posts it makes more since as to why I now find myself wanting to go to DLR more instead of WDW. It's an odd shift in my attitude especially with my family as we were born and raised at WDW. They look at me as a traitor or something...

I completely agree with WDW1974 that there are other places in the world that I should visit but as much as I love new experiences I'm one for nostalgia and I have such amazing family memories at the parks. It's true I live in the past, no one foot in the future for this guy. I wish the parks today would create memories as they often hype up the parks do so well, but my best memories are from the past really when river country was still around.

I love the fact that it was pointed out there's no BIG PICTURE anymore since the ushering out of CEO's and other roles, complacency is key I guess?

I also wonder if I fall into some of these categories of Disney fans that have been talked about with negativity???
I do appreciate the orange bird but really he's so passe now and oswald is hot hot hot....(that was said sarcastically).

 

[WDW1974]

You sir are better man than I ... peronally I would take it as some tart lacking any real inside knowledge just bulletpointing the key points they found from a well informed poster on another site ... but thats just too obvious.

I don't really care largely. I want my points to get out. If he wants to 'borrow' my info, let him. I'd appreciate it if he credited me. But I got much bigger fish to fry (and I don't like fish ... to eat ... I'll swim with them!)

And on an note unrelated to this post, but referencing another, is it me or do the Social Media seem to be growing in both numbers and nerve? I would love just once to see one of them truly call a spade a spade and not sugarcoat their blogs in an attempt to gain more street cred with the Disney brass.

They are definitely growing ... and part of that is everyone is seemingly starting a blog and then getting in bed with a travel agent on the side who ONLY deals in Disney vacations (and were not talking the setting you up at the Sheraton Vistana Village in a two-bedroom for a week for the cost of two nights at Disney's new AoA motel). They all wind up with financial interests, even if they want to be fair.

But their behavior is just amazingly bad. And they proudly display it on Twitter for the world to see. Obscenity, name-calling, threats of violence, playing a victim etc ... Does that make the Celebration Place Social Media Cabal proud? Many of these folks are unbalanced to say the least.

 

[asianway]

So as I sit hear with my jaunty beverage and read the latest posts it makes more since as to why I now find myself wanting to go to DLR more instead of WDW. It's an odd shift in my attitude especially with my family as we were born and raised at WDW. They look at me as a traitor or something...

I completely agree with WDW1974 that there are other places in the world that I should visit but as much as I love new experiences I'm one for nostalgia and I have such amazing family memories at the parks. It's true I live in the past, no one foot in the future for this guy. I wish the parks today would create memories as they often hype up the parks do so well, but my best memories are from the past really when river country was still around.

I love the fact that it was pointed out there's no BIG PICTURE anymore since the ushering out of CEO's and other roles, complacency is key I guess?

I also wonder if I fall into some of these categories of Disney fans that have been talked about with negativity???
I do appreciate the orange bird but really he's so passe now and oswald is hot hot hot....(that was said sarcastically).

That's what's so great about a Disney trip not to WDW, it seems familiar and you will wonder why you didn't go sooner!

 

[terp79]

I don't really care largely. I want my points to get out. If he wants to 'borrow' my info, let him. I'd appreciate it if he credited me. But I got much bigger fish to fry (and I don't like fish ... to eat ... I'll swim with them!)



They are definitely growing ... and part of that is everyone is seemingly starting a blog and then getting in bed with a travel agent on the side who ONLY deals in Disney vacations (and were not talking the setting you up at the Sheraton Vistana Village in a two-bedroom for a week for the cost of two nights at Disney's new AoA motel). They all wind up with financial interests, even if they want to be fair.

But their behavior is just amazingly bad. And they proudly display it on Twitter for the world to see. Obscenity, name-calling, threats of violence, playing a victim etc ... Does that make the Celebration Place Social Media Cabal proud? Many of these folks are unbalanced to say the least.

That's why I will never sell ad space, my blog isn't about that. It's about an idea and that I've wanted to work for Disney now for 8 years and have been told I'm not a designer by HR.