Disney(World) vs. Disney(land)?

[Kuhio]

So as I sit hear with my jaunty beverage and read the latest posts it makes more since as to why I now find myself wanting to go to DLR more instead of WDW. It's an odd shift in my attitude especially with my family as we were born and raised at WDW. They look at me as a traitor or something...

I do think there are a lot of people who feel that they have to be either a WDW loyalist or a DLR loyalist, and that the two are mutually exclusive.

To me, I'd think it would be natural that if you loved a certain product from a company (e.g., WDW), then you would have an inherent desire to experience other, similar products with the same corporate and/or creative origin (e.g., DLR).

Loving WDW while avoiding the DLR and viewing it with disdain seems akin to being a huge fan of The Lord of the Rings, but dismissing The Hobbit and refusing to read it.

 

[culturenthrills]

For some it could be the cost. I am making second DisneyLand trip this coming week but it ends up costing me a bit short of double to fly to CA vs 8.5 hr Drive to Orlando. Obviously we decided it was worth the extra. DL Oct 09, WDW Jan '11, DL Aug '12

I can see if you are driving to WDW where the cost goes up for you to go to DL. But for those who fly the cost to fly to CA if you are flying from say somewhere in the northeast or midwest is not that much different than to Orlando.

 

[terp79]

I do think there's a lot of people that feel that they have to be either a WDW loyalist or a DL loyalist, and that the two are mutually exclusive.

To me, I'd think it would be natural that if you loved a certain product from a company (e.g., WDW), then you would have an inherent desire to experience other, similar products with the same corporate and/or creative origin (e.g., DLR).

Loving WDW while avoiding the DLR and viewing it with disdain seems akin to being a huge fan of The Lord of the Rings, but dismissing The Hobbit and refusing to read it.

So true! Like asianway said it hit me like "why hadn't I gone sooner!??!?" Yes my family are complete loyalists and maybe being from Indiana and having a dad that doesn't fly is part of it but I'm kinda glad I waited and am just now experiencing the DLR for the first time, well since 2010. It takes my mind off of the tranny trainwreck in the sunshine state.

 

[culturenthrills]

I do think there are a lot of people who feel that they have to be either a WDW loyalist or a DLR loyalist, and that the two are mutually exclusive.

To me, I'd think it would be natural that if you loved a certain product from a company (e.g., WDW), then you would have an inherent desire to experience other, similar products with the same corporate and/or creative origin (e.g., DLR).

Loving WDW while avoiding the DLR and viewing it with disdain seems akin to being a huge fan of The Lord of the Rings, but dismissing The Hobbit and refusing to read it.

Yeah if you love Disney Parks I don't know why you wouldn't want to plan a trip to DL resort. I grew up going to WDW and the first time I went to DL I was blown away. The park was just so alive in a way that MK isn't.

 

[RSoxNo1]

What you are doing is deliberately taking posts out of context. Easy to do when there are over 12000 of them. I new you were capable of being a low life but may have underestimated you. I about you bring up one subject or quote or two at a time instead of throwing out so much out of context it makes no sense? Or would that then expose exactly how underhanded you are. That is what I think.

Keep it in context and I will play.

How many of those 12000 posts provided value to these boards?

 

[ChrisFL]

I still don't know what the problem was with Cars 2....I even own it on Blu-Ray

 

[WDW1974]

Yeah if you love Disney Parks I don't know why you wouldn't want to plan a trip to DL resort. I grew up going to WDW and the first time I went to DL I was blown away. The park was just so alive in a way that MK isn't.

I can honestly say the MK is the worst castle park for me right now. Yes, it has more attractions than HK. It has the best Mansion out there. It still has the PeopleMover and CoP and Bear Band. ... But in all the keys of quality and showmanship, MK is dead last and if DLP wasn't so poorly maintained (seems to be getting better again), it wouldn't even be close.

 

[WDW1974]

How many of those 12000 posts provided value to these boards?

Why are you yelling Beetlejuice three times?

There are plenty of other threads for him to haunt!

 

[the.dreamfinder]

I always (well, about every 5-6-7 years) hear about a major transport 'study' going on and how it is going to result in something being done and nothing ever changes. Monorail expansion was last seriously discussed in the 90s. Reliable monorail transport (a la TDR) still makes the most sense. I'm not saying connect the entire resort, but at least go with the plan from the early 90s where you connect EPCOT to the Studios with a stop for the EPCOT resorts (across from where the YC CC is now was the original plan). Perhaps, after that, you do a leg down Buena Vista Drive to DD, OKW, SS (possibly TL too).

You can't connect the whole resort, so you have to think what makes the most sense and solves the most issues.

Did Siemens ever try to get them to buy their monorails? Siemens claims, and does to some degree,to have this big corporate relationship with WDW, but one of their largest businesses, rail/transit, is not on display there

 

[WDW1974]

I still don't know what the problem was with Cars 2....I even own it on Blu-Ray

I haven't seen it yet. The only Pixar film I didn't see in the theater as soon as it came out.

I loved the original and the characters. I'm sure I'll see it eventually ... I can't imagine it being worse than Bug's Life, my least favorite Pixar film ... But everyone has different tastes.

 

[WDW1974]

Did Siemens ever try to get them to buy their monorails? Siemens claims, and does to some degree,to have this big corporate relationship with WDW, but in one of their largest businesses, rail/transit, is not on display there

No idea.

Disney has always dealt with Bombardier when building monorails, but the latter turned DLR down on its latest trains because it didn't want to waste time with a tough company and a tiny (three train) order, so Disney reengineered them to an amusing level of success.

 

[RSoxNo1]

If Disney can seamlessly plop a European castle at the end of a turn-of-the-century Main Street or a Haunted Mansion feet from a log flume (DL), I'm not too worried how RSR would fit in without the rest of Carsland.

From what I recall seeing in videos, there is very little of Carsland seen from RSR.

Also, DHS already has Pixar Place as a "land". It would be odd to then create a separate land based on a single Pixar property.

The other 2 attractions in Carland (Mater Junkyard Jamboree and Luigi's Flying Tires) sound like duds, or at least nothing that needs to be rushed into DHS.

If RSR is coming (and I, too, think it should be a DCA exclusive) I'd rather see it mixed in with a wide variety of other Pixar attractions to flesh out that "land".

I'm just surprised there is even talk of bringing RSR to Florida. At best, I assumed TDO would steal only the dark ride portion of RSR to make a discount Cars attraction (just as the Seas with Nemo is a discount version of DL's Submarine Voyage)

If they build Carsland in Florida, I would expect that RSR would be the anchor. The thing is, so much of Carsland is the backdrop of the Cadillac Mountain Range that's part of that ride. I think they could make the land without Luigi's Flying Tires or Mater's Junkyard Jamboree, but in a park that desperately needs attractions, I would hope that instead of those two rides they would opt for something else that has no height requirement that would appeal to families.

I loved the idea suggested on the Miceage podcast where Luigi's could be made using a similar concept as Aquatopia, but on land. It would address the capacity issues, and would allow for additional components beyond beachballs.

As for Junkyard Jamboree, the ride itself is uninspiring, but the songs are a bit of a guilty pleasure.

 

[lazyboy97o]

THIS is what worried me.

THIS is what the concern has been for a decade now as they've shifted the deck chairs and the band played on.

What makes THIS time different is that management is going to be changing in the next few years and the changes are going to be significant. Just look at the ages of the typical WDW Co exec and you'll see that they would have very little time left if everything was peachy. It isn't.

And can we please get the WDW fanbois to stop the inane worship of the Orange Bird ... it's creeping me out, man.

But how many people who truly care are left to take over?

 

[Taylor]

I still don't know what the problem was with Cars 2....I even own it on Blu-Ray

I do to it wasn't bad it was good it just didn't live up to pixar's standards. Critics loathed but I just think they wanted to give Pixar there first bad reviews.

 

[TalkingHead]

And can we please get the WDW fanbois to stop the inane worship of the Orange Bird ... it's creeping me out, man.

You prefer my worship of the Disney Resort Restrooms, right?

(I'm sending you the new 10-Disc Blu-Ray set of "Mickey's Magical Water Closets," know you'll enjoy it!)

 

[WDW1974]

But how many people who truly care are left to take over?

You ask me a deep question when I am signing off for the night?

I dunno ... that's the answer. But there are plenty at lower levels that do care. And at the top levels, I truly see a massive influx of outsiders. Some will criticize that as folks who don't know the Disney Way, but can anyone look at WDW post Y2K and legit say the folks who have been running the resort know it either?

 

[TalkingHead]

You touched on this a bit in the legendary post, but in a world where legit celebrities end up in endless trouble, can we get the Magic Big Board out and take action on which of these guys end up in trouble with the Polk County Sheriff or another one of the fine Central FL law enforcement units for some indiscretion?

Certainly has the potential to drag the mouse in a not so nice place when someone ends up on page 4 of the Sentinels police blotter

You could make an argument that a certain portion of the Mouse's business is questionable when it comes to the sexualization of children.

What with all the princess boutique crap and those figurines that transform your little girl into a beautiful Disney princess (complete with adult female figures).

Not all that different from the Toddlers and Tiaras stuff that is largely criticized by the general public.

It's downright creepy.

 

[TalkingHead]

I don't think Disney is really focused on many of them. The top dogs interest it more ....

Which raises questions in my mind about the value of social media.

It seems like the corporate thinking as been, "People will believe what we tell them to believe." And accordingly they've hired/comped these online personalities, thinking that these "real" people will drum up business.

But when it becomes apparent that these personalities have their opinions bought and paid for, I think a large percentage of consumers write those opinions off as PR fluff.

I'm sure there are the followers of the Disney Religion who find great meaning in those PR pieces (check the Disney Parks Blog for daily proof!), but if the company wants to ensure success, it'd be a good idea to make sure the product is as good as it can possibly be.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Oh, do I need a dose of said Pixie Dust badly.

This week I hope to finally get my trip affairs in order.

But, seriously, (since I am trying to have about 54 different conversations at once) what is wrong with fans who think they are Disney fans, but have been to WDW 27 times since 1998 (all staying on property) and NEVER have gone to DL or taken a DCL voyage or tried one of the international resorts?

Is it fear of change? Something new? The 'I love vanilla ice cream so why should I ever try anything else syndrome?''

I've run into this recently as well. I was sharing a Robert Niles article with some friends where he ranked the top 10 parks (he hadn't been to Hong Kong), and 6-9 were the Disney World Parks (Studios Paris was #10). He was immediately dismissed by my friends as a West Coaster because he liked Disneyland better. My favorite park on both coasts is in Florida (Animal Kingdom). My favorite nighttime show is in Florida (Illuminations). I truly do enjoy the Walt Disney World Resort, but anyone that is so jaded that they won't even consider visiting Disneyland or even Universal in Florida simply doesn't have worthwhile opinions, IMO. I understand it if money is an issue, but the reality is - if you're traveling to Disney World, you can travel to Disneyland. If you're traveling to Disney World, you can make it over to Universal. There are things that are done better in Disney World, there are things that are done better at Disneyland. But to completely dismiss one or the other entirely without experiencing it is truly idiotic.

 

[RSoxNo1]

I don't think Disney is really focused on many of them. The top dogs interest it more ... .

I wonder if Disney Parks Jenn will accept my interview request...

Why are you yelling Beetlejuice three times?

There are plenty of other threads for him to haunt!

Sorry I was 15 pages behind.