Hmmm...conceding the theme park war to universal when there really isn't even a battle is an assamine claim to say the least. If you want to buy this guy's poorly written attention grab that's not my problem.
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Hmmm...conceding the theme park war to universal when there really isn't even a battle is an assamine claim to say the least. If you want to buy this guy's poorly written attention grab that's not my problem.
Well, '74. Thanks for dropping in again.
So an I correct in understanding that Iger is now pushing the DHS thing? Has he finally realized he can't ignore WDW? What is his stance in RSR?
I forgot to mention Hong Kong in my previous posts. I'm very happy things are going well there, and the best of the expansion hasn't been unveiled yet!
If you take time and look at what Disney did or didn't say this afternoon and then what they did following the earnings call...it is painfully obvious something is up and some folks in the halls of TDO and Burbank are scared.
So an I correct in understanding that Iger is now pushing the DHS thing? Has he finally realized he can't ignore WDW? What is his stance in RSR?
I forgot to mention Hong Kong in my previous posts. I'm very happy things are going well there, and the best of the expansion hasn't been unveiled yet!
If you take time and look at what Disney did or didn't say this afternoon and then what they did following the earnings call...it is painfully obvious something is up and some folks in the halls of TDO and Burbank are scared.
No, I'm sure it's not....
Tiggerblood
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Just stop please
CinematicFusion
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I have to admit, I'm more excited at the moment to go to universal on my family trip in 2016. That could change but as of right now, Harry potter land and it's size and scope with two e ticket rides. My wife and I can't wait to see it. Never thought I would say that about universal.
I am excited to take my little girls to the new fantasyland. It will be wonderful seeing that world through their eyes.
But if I had to choose between FLE and Harry Potter... I want to see Potter.
I am excited to take my little girls to the new fantasyland. It will be wonderful seeing that world through their eyes.
But if I had to choose between FLE and Harry Potter... I want to see Potter.
yoyoflamingo
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Buried20KLeague
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If uni was smart, they'd run a MASSIVE marketing campaign offering some sort of huge benefit to visitors staying in Orlando using DVC points.
Maybe give them free express passes when 3 day tickets are bought, or offer heavily discounted ticket pricing on 3 days or more. They could get inventive. Make those DVC people feel like they've GOT to spend multiple days at their property and maybe even skip Disney's parks all together.
Atomicmickey
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This business about it being very, very, very bad at WDW.
You know, this is what has been discussed around here for a long time.
What's sad is that they had to get to three verys before reacting.
All we can hope is that they react, big time. Because we know they can, if they want to.
They have lacked the will.
I sure hope you're right, '74. 'Cause it's going to almost take another "Disney Decade"
to get things up to snuff, and push back at Uni. I sure hope you're right!
You know, this is what has been discussed around here for a long time.
What's sad is that they had to get to three verys before reacting.
All we can hope is that they react, big time. Because we know they can, if they want to.
They have lacked the will.
I sure hope you're right, '74. 'Cause it's going to almost take another "Disney Decade"
to get things up to snuff, and push back at Uni. I sure hope you're right!
CinematicFusion
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In regards to WdW being off in attendance...what are universals numbers. Have they also dropped? Has sea worlds numbers fallen?
Would like to know if it's more about the parks or is it more about the economy.
Would like to know if it's more about the parks or is it more about the economy.
Todd H
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Just spent a couple of days at Universal myself and I am sold. WDW just doesn't have anything that compares to Potter. And this is coming from someone who has loved WDW all his life. Will I still visit WDW? Sure. It will always hold a special place in my heart. But I won't be spending quite as much time there during our next visit. Gotta at least take a couple of days (or more depending how well the Transformers ride and Potter expansion turns out) for Universal.
Longhairbear
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Well, that makes me think I know exactly who Marci might have been, and it's someone we used to hang around with all the time at the park. I suspected as much...LOL.
this is our family right now..dvc owners who have gone to universal the last 2 years
Tiggerblood
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How do you spend more than two days at Universal? I am just curious because I have been there multiple times and I can see at most spending two.days at their parks combined
You are partly right, JT. (Should I crack a one-liner about being partially sane too? I'll let y'all decide!)
The economy IS a huge factor in WDW's dismal numbers (they really don't want you to know how bad they are hurting and it covers so many things from DDP to merchandise to resort occupancy) ... but it isn't globally that is affecting WDW so badly. South American visitors have been up ... way up. European visitors are basically flat, but that's better than being down. So, ask yourself who isn't coming to WDW as much (or at all) and spending far less?
Yeah, it's all those Heartland folks from Ohio to New Jersey, from Tennessee to Rhode Island.
And with gas and food prices on the rise, one might surmise that things will get worse.
naturally, TDO's response is cutbacks, which only discourages more people from visiting.
Oh WDW74 you are always so late to the party. I have been saying for a couple years (at least!) that once DCA 2.0 was completed then TWDC would focus again on WDW. That Uni, Sea World and Legoland decided to invest heavily in Central Florida only served to ensure the "pendulum" would swing back to WDW. It was an inevitable part of the business cycle that has always existed at WDW. And likely always will. And I think you know this but you would rather give people the impression it is part of some "spirited change". The narcissism is just too much. But even more disturbing is those that do not see right through it.
WDI only has so much capacity and that keeps them from doing more. Simple math and physics. So until Imagineers are replaced by artificial intelligence and robots the parks will be subject to a business cycle.
And this is where the partial sanity comes in.
JT, WDI's employment and capabilities ebb and flow depending on projects and has since the 1960s WED days. If Disney needs more people, then it hires them and puts them to work whether in O-Town, Anaheim, Shanghai or Paris. If it need less, then it lets them go.
There is no pendulum swing here. There is desperation at TDO. Flat out desperation. They've been running the operation on total smoke, mirrors and marketing for years now. If you are saying that people in TDO have seen what quality product at DCA (or UNI, either coast) can do, then you are right. But any notion that Disney can't have massive projects going on simultaneously around the globe is absurd. They have always been able to. They've ignored WDW because they've felt they could (both in TDO and TDB).
But, hey, I can now book a room at the or the ASMu for $66 a night or a stay and dine package for as low as $94 a day per person for 3 days and 2 nights (based on four people, which still sounds absurdly high to me) ... look for more discounting this fall and winter.
Tiggerblood
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Or you could stay at this magical Ritz that charges less than $190 a night...
CinematicFusion
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One good thing I took out of the earnings report is Disney is still buying back their stock. I love when companies to this. Shows they believe in the future of the company.
We will see great things come to WdW in time.
Realistically it's going to take a lot of money. Can't be done all at once...where do you start?
Epcot needs 500 million thrown its way. I can start by pointing at Ellen's energy ride and imagination.
DHS needs a direction and at least 300 million.
Animal kingdom... I really like how it flows,feels and looks, but needs an awesome e ticket family ride or two solid d ticket rides.
So that park could use 150 million.
Magic kingdom, have to see how the end result of FLE feels.
So I'm at 950 million dollars...no way we see that type of money thrown at WdW all at once.
But they have to start somewhere.
We will see great things come to WdW in time.
Realistically it's going to take a lot of money. Can't be done all at once...where do you start?
Epcot needs 500 million thrown its way. I can start by pointing at Ellen's energy ride and imagination.
DHS needs a direction and at least 300 million.
Animal kingdom... I really like how it flows,feels and looks, but needs an awesome e ticket family ride or two solid d ticket rides.
So that park could use 150 million.
Magic kingdom, have to see how the end result of FLE feels.
So I'm at 950 million dollars...no way we see that type of money thrown at WdW all at once.
But they have to start somewhere.
Incorrect.
DLR's numbers are way up. Double digits up.
What you likely read were reports that DL has been down, which is true. The parks are getting a balanced amount of guests for the first time ever, which makes both of them much more pleasant to visit.