Disney(World) vs. Disney(land)?

[FrankLapidus]

I'd love to see attractions based on The Incredibles and even UP. ... I think WALL*E has so much potential, but let's not forget that the average WDW guest looks like one of those folks on those hover-seats. Hell, I think you could do so many things from A Bug's Life too that wasn't exploited in Anaheim. ... And even the new (and wonderful) Brave has possibilities. ... But Disney tends to take the easy way out. ... They couldn't have come up with a different theme for TSMM in Tokyo? Of course they could have.

Love this idea. I know there are some who wouldn't want to see more Pixar added to WDW but I think they have the potential to do something really special at DHS if they were to exploit more of the studio's library than Toy Story and (possibly) Cars. From what I've seen of Radiator Spring Racers, I certainly would have no qualms in seeing it brought to WDW but it would be great so see something that hasn't been cloned from another park. Any ride based on The Incredibles, Up or WALL-E is more than fine by me.

 

[Tiggerblood]

Love this idea. I know there are some who wouldn't want to see more Pixar added to WDW but I think they have the potential to do something really special at DHS if they were to exploit more of the studio's library than Toy Story and (possibly) Cars. From what I've seen of Radiator Spring Racers, I certainly would have no qualms in seeing it brought to WDW but it would be great so see something that hasn't been cloned from another park. Any ride based on The Incredibles, Up or WALL-E is more than fine by me.

A ride based on Incredibles would be awesome. Same with Up I just can't think of anything they could do for Up, besides a kiddy lift ride

 

[wm49rs]

They do need to add to the parks, I'm not sure a copy of Carsland is the answer. I would like for them to expand Pixar place by getting rid of LMA and Backlot tour. My whole point was that not all the news was bad. Maybe they finally decide to us the profits they have made

Never said the news was all bad. But WDW is darn close to falling behind its competitors in Orlando, so I'm not willing to accord them new laurels when they've been living off past ones for so long.

 

[Tiggerblood]

Never said the news was all bad. But WDW is darn close to falling behind its competitors in Orlando, so I'm not willing to accord them new laurels when they've been living off past ones for so long.

Never meant to imply that you did, sorry if I worded it wrong. I am cautiously worried right now. Hopefully now that DCA 2.0 and the Cruise line are done for now WDW can get some love

 

[spacemt354]

Same with Up I just can't think of anything they could do for Up, besides a kiddy lift ride

Perhaps a Peter Pan's Flight type dark ride where the guests sit in Carl and Ellie's chairs instead of a Pirate ship? Maybe fly through the scenes in the film concluding at Paradise Falls? Just something I thought of now.

 

[WDW1974]

Some more thoughts as tonight has proven to be quite busy in more important ways (apparently someone has been doing some surveillance on the Spirit and, no, nothing to do with either Disney or law enforcement ... just some more friends in high places!), but wanted to get some points out ... have no idea if anyone has mentioned them in the now 12 pages of posts I haven't been able to wade through.

WDW is doing very, very, very poorly. If you look at DCA's attendance bump (and only the last two weeks of June were in the quarter) and you look at the HUGE gain that having both the Dream and the Fantasy on the seas and you look at all the price increases, it doesn't take simple math to figure out that all parts of P&Rs that are keeping the engine turning still aren't covering enough for the fact WDW is not pulling its weight.

Period.

Did you see how much attention was given to TDR, a resort that TWDC doesn't own a single percent of?

And when Iger and Rasulo refused to do much talking looking ahead for the next quarter ... well, it was reminiscent of Facebook. They simply expect things to get much worse. Attendance domestically is waaaaay down ... all those Brazilians that you about? They're keeping WDW from falling into the abyss largely along with flat European visitation.

Iger was very careful to flat out not say a word about the 'new' unannounced investment coming to Florida and California, meaning either he is about to make a lot of folks in both places cry (and lose their jobs) as he concedes the theme park war to UNI ... or he sorta kinda flat out lied to the Street. ... Since, DL has one major attraction already approved and another almost there and since people in his own offices have pushed for a redo of TPFKaTD-MGMS and made changes behind the scenes to get it done, the best conclusion is ... yeah, he lied and it won;t really matter because he won't be around come 2015 or 2016 when the bills get larger. CapEx will go down in the next few years even with DL and WDW projects because so many other things are done or will be (stuff from Aulani to HK to DCA to DCL to even NEXT GEN, which some analysts are starting to privately push Iger and Rasulo and Staggs on) so Disney can still spend billions over the next 4-5 years and it will be less than the past 2-3 years of money invested back into the product.

What else? Oh yeah, my favorite little MK on Lantau notched its first operating profit. LET's GO CHINA!!! LET'S GO CHINA!!!

And how can one not see how having a film like The Avengers covers for a lot of other problems across the company (no one even remembers John Carter now!)

Also, quite entertaining to see Disney announce movie dates and NEW, NEW, NEW, But Not Really Fantasyland's partial opening date after the market closed because they're worried what tomorrow might do to the stock.

Anyway, apologies if this repeats what's been said ... but haven't had time to read/post (and I really want to on this thread!)

 

[Tiggerblood]

Perhaps a Peter Pan's Flight type dark ride where the guests sit in Carl and Ellie's chairs instead of a Pirate ship? Maybe fly through the scenes in the film concluding at Paradise Falls? Just something I thought of now.

That was what I was thinking...or some kind of ride where you race along thru the forest on Kevin's back being chased by the dogs

 

[ChrisFL]

Anyway, apologies if this repeats what's been said ... but haven't had time to read/post (and I really want to on this thread!)

You didn't miss much

 

[WDW1974]

I'm not sure how to reply to this... I guess I'll keep it short.

I think it's great that TDO is finally starting to recognize the problems affecting their resort... but their approach to solving them is completely wrong. The losses to their resort have been because of excessive cheapness, and they attempt to reverse that through more cheapness? Give us a reason to come back, to stay longer than the 3-4 days my family has been doing each year... that doesn't include a rehashed version of the same old parade or a new castle show, and a clone of Disneyland's new ride without all the interesting context doesn't count either. That's a cop-out, and one I'm hopeful Lasseter/Staggs/Kalogridis will attempt to prevent. Avatar is on the right track, but they need more content that is both unique to WDW and significantly appealing. As it is, cutting EMH perks or attraction hours won't encourage people to stay on property. Quite the opposite, actually.

Disney is in the cost cutting to achieve results business. They've operated WDW this way since the rise of the MBAs and outside consultants in the mid-late 1990s.

That means you'll likely be getting a lower quality cut of beef at Le Cellier this fall and a smaller one and you'll be paying more (and ignorant fanbois will defend it while Mythos will still serve me a great filet for $16.99 before my either 20 or 35% discount).

 

[FrankLapidus]

A ride based on Incredibles would be awesome. Same with Up I just can't think of anything they could do for Up, besides a kiddy lift ride

Neither can I but that's why I'm not an Imagineer . I'm sure that, given a Radiator Springs-type budget, WDW could come up with something just as spectacular based on any of those Pixar films. Given the current craze surrounding superheroes, The Incredibles would be the obvious choice for me.

 

[WDW1974]

And, though the poor dead horse has been beaten beyond recognition, I must strike once more. Desperate times call for desperate measures. If there is any reasonable way that Disney and Lucas can arrive at an agreement to create a land dedicated to Star Wars with multiple attractions/restaurants/shops etc., now is the time.

I can't say I've ever gotten an answer to the question 'why?' in regard to a Disney Star Wars mini-land or simply new attractions.

I'm sure WDI could come up with great concepts. But I'm fairly certain neither Disney nor Lucas want to do this.
That brings up the 'why?'

But it does seem mutual and deep and I wouldn't expect that to suddenly change.

 

[td1129]

"meaning either he is about to make a lot of folks in both places cry (and lose their jobs) as he concedes the theme park war to UNI"

Do you even read your own trolls? You have no clue what you're talking about.

 

[WDW1974]

I think the reason why AoA isnt sizzling is because of the price! I looked into it and was considering staying there until I priced out a vacation. For one of the suites there, it was the same price as a deluxe standard room! So how is that a value resort?? I understand its a suite but its supposed to be a value resort. I'm sorry I'd rather stay at a deluxe in a standard room than in a value suite if its the same price. Thats why I think they aren't sizzling.

That's Disney for you. A family suite should in a basic motel, which is what AoA is, should go for between $89 and $189 a night depending on the season.

But you can get a room at the Ritz Carlton for what a suite at this garish motel will cost.

Why stay there? Stay at the Nickelodeon Resort? Or get a timeshare at Sheraton's Vistana Villages or the Hilton Vacation Clubs in the area.

All much better and you don't have to worry about breathing in that toxic Pixie Dust.

 

[Tiggerblood]

Disney is in the cost cutting to achieve results business. They've operated WDW this way since the rise of the MBAs and outside consultants in the mid-late 1990s.

That means you'll likely be getting a lower quality cut of beef at Le Cellier this fall and a smaller one and you'll be paying more (and ignorant fanbois will defend it while Mythos will still serve me a great filet for $16.99 before my either 20 or 35% discount).

I agree with your point up until the end. Mythos is supposed to be the best in part restaurant in the world yet when I ordered their panini I could not alter it at all and it was pretty bad. Sorry but big time restaurants can make changes on their sandwiches. So I don't think attacking Le Cellier which I have never had a bad dining experience with a place that cannot do what even a normal mom and pop place can do is a valid complaint

 

[WDW1974]

I am loving this thread, it's like the old days on another site I read that is devoted to DLR. They once had an insider named Marci who would butt heads constantly with Al Lutz's claims on his site. Each had their own sources , but It was Marci, I believe who broke the news about the makeover of DCA first, with Blue Sky Disney also breaking the news.

I am not a Marci.

She was really a 'he' (not that we have any of that here) who worked in DL's Press Office.

Sorta like the first Social Media plant, although from what I have heard she-he's posts were not sanctioned by the company.

 

[Tiggerblood]

That's Disney for you. A family suite should in a basic motel, which is what AoA is, should go for between $89 and $189 a night depending on the season.

But you can get a room at the Ritz Carlton for what a suite at this garish motel will cost.

Why stay there? Stay at the Nickelodeon Resort? Or get a timeshare at Sheraton's Vistana Villages or the Hilton Vacation Clubs in the area.

All much better and you don't have to worry about breathing in that toxic Pixie Dust.

What kind of Ritz can you get a room for less than $200 a night...you can't even get a room at a Hyatt Regency which is a convention resort for less than $200 a night

 

[WDW1974]

Here we gooooooo....

Nothing to disagree with. Plenty to agree with. A few things to add but not at the mo.

Oh, boy, you should know agreeing with me could be harmful to your popularity!!!

I have a few more tales to tell, but can't quite do so just yet ...

I wonder what everyone's been talking about ... I haven't even hit a post by Frank in New Mexico yet!

 

[wm49rs]

"meaning either he is about to make a lot of folks in both places cry (and lose their jobs) as he concedes the theme park war to UNI"

Do you even read your own trolls? You have no clue what you're talking about.

He and I haven't always seen eye to eye, but yes, his depth of sources and information is substantial, to say the least.....

 

[spacemt354]

Iger was very careful to flat out not say a word about the 'new' unannounced investment coming to Florida and California, meaning either he is about to make a lot of folks in both places cry (and lose their jobs) as he concedes the theme park war to UNI ... or he sorta kinda flat out lied to the Street. ... Since, DL has one major attraction already approved and another almost there and since people in his own offices have pushed for a redo of TPFKaTD-MGMS and made changes behind the scenes to get it done, the best conclusion is ... yeah, he lied and it won;t really matter because he won't be around come 2015 or 2016 when the bills get larger. CapEx will go down in the next few years even with DL and WDW projects because so many other things are done or will be (stuff from Aulani to HK to DCA to DCL to even NEXT GEN, which some analysts are starting to privately push Iger and Rasulo and Staggs on) so Disney can still spend billions over the next 4-5 years and it will be less than the past 2-3 years of money invested back into the product.

And how can one not see how having a film like The Avengers covers for a lot of other problems across the company (no one even remembers John Carter now!)

Also, quite entertaining to see Disney announce movie dates and NEW, NEW, NEW, But Not Really Fantasyland's partial opening date after the market closed because they're worried what tomorrow might do to the stock.

I gotta say, you hit the nail on the head with the last few points. Especially on the Avengers. The sucess of that movie no doubt covers a lot of the problems facing the company. And I too thought it was ironic that the opening date of Fantasyland was released today, in fear of what the quarter results might do to the stocks tomorrow. Very clever business move, and an underhanded notion that TDO knows something is up and they are losing steam.

Though I don't understand what you mean when you say Iger is going to make a lot of people cry and concede to Uni. If you could clarify what you meant that would be great because I feel that greater competition can only lead to a better product for the consumer of wdw. Unless of course he is complacent with 2nd best, but if that is the case I think his days are numbered with the company.

 

[WDW1974]

Big, spirited change!

Wonderful news! This is what we've been waiting for, literally for years. Hopefully the cost cutting will be scaled back (not temporary, since we all know what Disney defines as temporary) and new and wonderful ideas emerge. RSR or not, anything big at the Studios (or in WDW in general) has been long overdue.

Thank you for sharing!

Nice to see you, yoyo. ... I always think that when Disney cuts something, it winds up being permanent or coming back in a half-assed fashion.

You know like EPCOT being open until 11 p.m. or midnight for ALL guests in summer becomes 1-2 nights of three extra hours for resort guests.

I'm still waiting for the prime rib at Boma ... oh, and the real cloth napkins ... sorry, but when you charge over $30 for a buffet at a deluxe resort ... well, paper doesn't cut it!